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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 23, 2021 7:22:00 GMT -5
Twitter indeed is a terrible nasty place. Probably the nastiest of the social media. Although having said that, I haven't caught anything negative about this there, although maybe I haven't develed in far enough. Put it this way, a lot of people who didn't appreciate a certain SNL character Baldwin played are extremely happy this has happened. I guess he was right when he said he could shoot someone dead and get away with it.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 23, 2021 7:35:17 GMT -5
This is not directed towards you personally, but this is not about that, this is a tragic accident where someone is DEAD. People need to stop thinking with their egos and open up their hearts. Biggest muscle in the body and tragically few use it. ...sorry to be that guy, but the heart isn't even close to being the biggest muscle in your body, that would be the gluteous maximus aka the ass. Your heart isn't even the biggest muscle in your chest. I agree with the sentiment just...letting you know. The heart IS the hardest working muscle in the body but that doesn’t mean it’s the strongest either. The muscles that control eye movement and the jaw are the proportionally strongest. Just more muscle facts for everyone.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 23, 2021 8:55:26 GMT -5
f***ing hell, what an awful situation. Heart goes out to the victims, and to Alec Baldwin. Dude's an actor; if someone hands him a prop gun, he's probably not gonna remove the rounds to double-check. Especially if people indicated the gun wasn't loaded.
But yeah, we've gotta stop using rounds, blanks or otherwise, on movie sets. I get it's cheaper, but blanks can still do harm. I refuse to believe you can't rig up an empty gun to look like it fires when the trigger is pulled and then just add effects later.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Oct 23, 2021 9:57:51 GMT -5
I refuse to believe you can't rig up an empty gun to look like it fires when the trigger is pulled and then just add effects later. Hell, it doesn't even need to be a real gun, just a prop that looks like one. They can stick robots on Mars but they can't make a realistic fake gun?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 23, 2021 10:19:52 GMT -5
I refuse to believe you can't rig up an empty gun to look like it fires when the trigger is pulled and then just add effects later. Hell, it doesn't even need to be a real gun, just a prop that looks like one. They can stick robots on Mars but they can't make a realistic fake gun? Doesn't even have to be a gun... ![](https://i.redd.it/ckpget8cin931.jpg)
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 23, 2021 12:30:45 GMT -5
Since two people were hit I can only guess that she was either setting up a camera angle or actively filming one where Alec is shooting the gun directly at her, with the director near or behind her, either supervising or seeing how it looked.
If so, this is f***ing insanity and was always likely to end in disaster.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 23, 2021 12:57:41 GMT -5
I know people decry it as looking bad and longing for practical effects, but....this is why CGI isn't all bad.
Looking back at TZ:TM made me feel the same.
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Post by Gecko on Oct 23, 2021 13:05:21 GMT -5
Just a tragic situation all round that could have been avoided. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59018391 That link covers the crew working condition issues and also mentions that the head armourer scheduled to be on set that day was new to the job.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Oct 23, 2021 13:22:04 GMT -5
Hell, it doesn't even need to be a real gun, just a prop that looks like one. They can stick robots on Mars but they can't make a realistic fake gun? Doesn't even have to be a gun... ![](https://i.redd.it/ckpget8cin931.jpg) You see, I think we're at the stage where CGI is as good as the real thing. Is there ever a need for stunt men these days now that green screen and CGI can make me look like I'm jumping from skyscraper to skyscraper on a BMX.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 23, 2021 13:25:08 GMT -5
How in the actual f*** is the head armorer, the person in charge of your f***ing firearms on set, not monitored by SOMEBODY when they're new to the job? I don't care what the position is, when you're new on the job, somebody should be checking your work.
The amount of negligence here is insane.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Oct 23, 2021 14:55:49 GMT -5
So, in another twist to the story, Dave Halls, the assistant director on 'Rust'?
Also worked on 'The Crow: Salvation'.
You know, the one where Brandon Lee died in this exact same situation.
So this dude had been on the set of TWO different fatal shootings due to f***ed up prop guns.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 23, 2021 15:02:55 GMT -5
So, in another twist to the story, Dave Halls, the assistant director on 'Rust'? Also worked on 'The Crow: Salvation'. You know, the one where Brandon Lee died in this exact same situation. So this dude had been on the set of TWO different fatal shootings due to f***ed up prop guns. Brandon Lee died on The Crow. Salvation was a sequel.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 23, 2021 15:03:31 GMT -5
So, in another twist to the story, Dave Halls, the assistant director on 'Rust'? Also worked on 'The Crow: Salvation'. You know, the one where Brandon Lee died in this exact same situation. So this dude had been on the set of TWO different fatal shootings due to f***ed up prop guns. The Crow Salvation was a sequel made seven years after Brandon Lee died.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 23, 2021 16:56:10 GMT -5
Just a tragic situation all round that could have been avoided. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59018391 That link covers the crew working condition issues and also mentions that the head armourer scheduled to be on set that day was new to the job. I've held a real (hand)gun precisely twice in my life (they're fairly rare in the UK because we got REALLY strict gun laws after a school shooting) and one of the things I got taught to do was immediately check if it was loaded or not, regardless of if I'd been told so. The extra add on to "always treat a gun as if loaded until you know it isn't", is "you don't know if a gun is loaded or not until you check yourself".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 17:06:03 GMT -5
First and foremost this absoloutley is a tragic situation.
But this is why you have to teach and inform people in handling any firearm whether it is loaded with live rounds , blanks or it is just empty.
The first rule any law biding person with a firearm tells you...NEVER POINT IT AT PEOPLE!
like someone said this is pure neglegence
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 23, 2021 17:22:31 GMT -5
Something I wonder too is how much firearms training actors get on set when it comes to safety. I'm sure this can vary, but I mean, are they just trusting the armorers and prop masters or is there a basic level of anything taught before filming?
And I mean, you might be like "Well this is a basic concept to not point guns at people", but I could absolutely see an actor being complacent with guns and ammunition they're told are safe, especially an actor as experienced as Alec Baldwin.
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Post by mattperiolat on Oct 23, 2021 22:56:31 GMT -5
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Oct 24, 2021 0:37:57 GMT -5
f***ing hell, what an awful situation. Heart goes out to the victims, and to Alec Baldwin. Dude's an actor; if someone hands him a prop gun, he's probably not gonna remove the rounds to double-check. Especially if people indicated the gun wasn't loaded. But yeah, we've gotta stop using rounds, blanks or otherwise, on movie sets. I get it's cheaper, but blanks can still do harm. I refuse to believe you can't rig up an empty gun to look like it fires when the trigger is pulled and then just add effects later. Blanks are pretty harmless unless there at point blank range. All they should affect is your hearing. You can make a replica look legit though, I have a co2 powered pellet pistol that cycles like a real gun. No muzzle flash, but the slide moves like a real gun.
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Post by mattperiolat on Oct 24, 2021 9:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by Fade on Oct 24, 2021 9:29:49 GMT -5
A lot is coming to light about how insecure this set was. We forgot the lesson of Brandon Lee - the price of safety on a movie set is eternal vigilance. The price paid is in lives. Maybe this production. Or others but as much shit as Hollywood deserves I’d say the majority take gun/prop safety very seriously, as everyone should.
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