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Post by eJm on Nov 14, 2021 0:58:07 GMT -5
As long as you have prominent friends(Lethal, Marty) or a promotion invested in you(Ospreay, Riddle), you’ll land on your feet. Shit, even Joey Ryan got booked by some shindies after he got exposed as a literal monster. Though I'd put Marty Scurll more in the Ospready/Riddle camp because it doesn't seem like anyone prominent is booking him since his ROH contract ended.
ROH's track record really isn't good for these things on that note.
I mean, Scrull just popped up in a German promotion. One of the German promotions not wXw but a German promotion none of the less. So far that seems to be the only place. Key words being “so far”.
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Post by 06vwgti on Nov 14, 2021 0:59:07 GMT -5
If both Lethal and Scrull both had significant power in ROH and friends with a ton of higher ups, how the hell did he get off while Scrull didn't. Seems to me both should be in similar spots of not getting booked in prominent promotions
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 14, 2021 1:00:08 GMT -5
If both Lethal and Scrull both had significant power in ROH and friends with a ton of higher ups, how the hell did he get off while Scrull didn't. Seems to me both should be in similar spots now of not getting booked in prominent promotions I think it just boils down to Scurll was more prominent in the blowback. Feel like he, David Starr, and Joey Ryan were the main people who got caught in the crossfire of it and them and Jack Gallagher are the only ones who saw any consequences, and Gallagher probably only did because he owned up to it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 14, 2021 1:00:33 GMT -5
If both Lethal and Scrull both had significant power in ROH and friends with a ton of higher ups, how the hell did he get off while Scrull didn't. Seems to me both should be in similar spots of not getting booked in prominent promotions Honest answer? Marty admitted to it. He openly acknowledged it and tried to skirt by off of a technicality of age While Lethal never went that far even as the allegations show... his aren't pretty. But I don't think he ever called attention to them.
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Post by eJm on Nov 14, 2021 1:02:09 GMT -5
If both Lethal and Scrull both had significant power in ROH and friends with a ton of higher ups, how the hell did he get off while Scrull didn't. Seems to me both should be in similar spots now of not getting booked in prominent promotions I think it just boils down to Scurll was more prominent in the blowback. Feel like he, David Starr, and Joey Ryan were the main people who got caught in the crossfire of it and them and Jack Gallagher are the only ones who saw any consequences, and Gallagher probably only did because he owned up to it. Also, let’s be honest a bit, Scrull’s crime was one you can’t really sweep under the rug as easily, especially since the crime itself happened in another country to a drunk minor. Also, he basically admitted to it in the worst way possible. And “props”, I guess, to Gallagher, he’s the only one who a) hasn’t tried to pop up anywhere else and b) not tried to push the blame on someone else. He hasn’t said a thing since compared to Starr, Ryan or Scrull.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 14, 2021 1:02:44 GMT -5
If both Lethal and Scrull both had significant power in ROH and friends with a ton of higher ups, how the hell did he get off while Scrull didn't. Seems to me both should be in similar spots of not getting booked in prominent promotions Lethal didn't sexually assault anyone as far as I know (which Marty allegedly did). Lethal was also like Mr. ROH while Scurll was head booker for a year but didn't have nearly the clout Lethal built up.
And yeah, as others said above, Scurll admitted it happened in the worst possible way.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 14, 2021 1:07:31 GMT -5
Yeah that's another thing to take into account here... the accusations are Lethal being a dick and accusedly holding down a woman talent whether he was serious or not in the implications
At most that we are aware... he's a dick. He's just not on the level of Marty/Starr/Ryan. That might've helped somewhat... but it doesn't mean the blowback still might not come because if you're a dick it still makes people yknow... not like you.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 14, 2021 1:07:32 GMT -5
People signed from Ring Of Honor that AREN’T Danhausen: 1 That's not a bad thing. Danhausen's being smart, there's a bidding war for him, so the longer he holds out, the more companies will be desperate for him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 1:08:25 GMT -5
If both Lethal and Scrull both had significant power in ROH and friends with a ton of higher ups, how the hell did he get off while Scrull didn't. Seems to me both should be in similar spots of not getting booked in prominent promotions Lethal didn't sexually assault anyone as far as I know (which Marty allegedly did). Lethal was also like Mr. ROH while Scurll was head booker for a year but didn't have nearly the clout Lethal built up. And yeah, as others said above, Scurll admitted it happened in the worst possible way.
I think it’s dangerous business to get into the battle of which allegations are worse, but, really, Lethal’s accusations aren’t even as bad as Darby Allin’s.
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Post by eJm on Nov 14, 2021 1:08:46 GMT -5
So the Media Scrum is going on and Jay is being talked to and by all accounts, the deal seemed to only have happened in the last few days and this was the first day he and Tony actually met.
Again, this is not me excusing anything or taking blame away but what it sort of seems like to me is that they expecting others to potentially get him, got him and not think much of going further.
EDIT: And, like Ric said earlier, Lethal won’t be at Final Battle so likely made things “easier”.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 14, 2021 1:11:25 GMT -5
This will seemingly also boil down to if Hendrix wants to make it a big deal at this time.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 14, 2021 1:14:16 GMT -5
People signed from Ring Of Honor that AREN’T Danhausen: 1 That's not a bad thing. Danhausen's being smart, there's a bidding war for him, so the longer he holds out, the more companies will be desperate for him. So you’re saying he broke his leg as a negotiation tactic? I don’t pretend to understand the art of the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 1:15:05 GMT -5
This will seemingly also boil down to if Hendrix wants to make it a big deal at this time. I just don’t even understand how that would go down. “Jay isn’t it true that you leveraged Taeler Hendrix off TV because she wouldn’t sleep with you in 2018?” “No.” Like, at a certain point those kinds of allegations are pure hearsay. We can all certainly think less of guys like Lethal for it, but I have a hard time buying into this narrative that he should be blacklisted from the industry. It’s a far cry from, like, Scurll, Ryan, and even Riddle, to me at least.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 14, 2021 1:15:58 GMT -5
People signed from Ring Of Honor that AREN’T Danhausen: 1 That's not a bad thing. Danhausen's being smart, there's a bidding war for him, so the longer he holds out, the more companies will be desperate for him. Someone is going to give him sacks of cash. And he won't even have to threaten to curse them!
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Post by eJm on Nov 14, 2021 1:16:08 GMT -5
That's not a bad thing. Danhausen's being smart, there's a bidding war for him, so the longer he holds out, the more companies will be desperate for him. So you’re saying he broke his leg as a negotiation tactic? I don’t pretend to understand the art of the deal. His only flaw was that he broke it on an indie show and not at ROH where more people would have seen it. He needed to hype up his free agency more!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 14, 2021 1:16:50 GMT -5
Some notes on Jay Lethal's signing as he and Khan were at the Scrum together:
- Jay planned on being with ROH for the rest of his career. Felt the walls closing in with the recent developments
- Jay will not appear at Final Battle which assumedly got him out of his contract early
- Only signed a few days ago. Said he just personally met Tony Khan today. CM Punk was not aware he signed until he saw him today so most employees also probably only found out today as well.
- Chris Jericho is his dream opponent
- He is extremely happy to be here and very enthusiastic about the future with AEW and future matchups
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 14, 2021 1:19:05 GMT -5
Lethal had about a month left on his contract and asked for his release. ROH granted it.
So I guess some people are still under deals until Final Battle... and some aren't
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Post by eJm on Nov 14, 2021 1:20:49 GMT -5
Lethal had about a month left on his contract and asked for his release. ROH granted it. So I guess some people are still under deals until Final Battle... and some aren't It seems like ROH aren’t exactly going to force people to stay for the duration if they want to leave if they only had a month left on their contract anyway which, even with the rest of this tar pit, is sort of interesting to find out.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 14, 2021 1:22:40 GMT -5
Lethal had about a month left on his contract and asked for his release. ROH granted it. So I guess some people are still under deals until Final Battle... and some aren't It seems like ROH aren’t exactly going to force people to stay for the duration if they want to leave if they only had a month left on their contract anyway which, even with the rest of this tar pit, is sort of interesting to find out. At least this can put to bed "WHY DIDN'T THEY GO AFTER GRESHAM??" because Gresham doesn't seem 100 percent free yet Pretty possible AEW wanted Lethal AND Gresham among others. Lethal happened to be available right now.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 14, 2021 1:26:01 GMT -5
Yeah that's another thing to take into account here... the accusations are Lethal being a dick and accusedly holding down a woman talent whether he was serious or not in the implications At most that we are aware... he's a dick. He's just not on the level of Marty/Starr/Ryan. That might've helped somewhat... but it doesn't mean the blowback still might not come because if you're a dick it still makes people yknow... not like you. It’s not just being a dick, it’s sexual harassment
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