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Post by Kalmia on Mar 7, 2022 15:37:49 GMT -5
To me, the two main problems with Britt as champion is the constant interference in her matches and the arrogant promos that put down her opponents. There's a way to have shenanigans in your matches that doesn't detract from the matches themselves (see Kenny Omega's title run) and there's way to cut a heel promo that still sells your opponents (see MJF.) It makes me wonder if AEW had just run with Britt as a face, as a lot of the crowd wanted her to be, whether this title reign would have been 100% better. The whole thing smacks of trying too hard with the heel schtick to the detriment of the rest of the division.
It's sad that the world title picture has become so stale, because there have been some real strides in other parts of the women's division. It's still not perfect and needs a lot of work, but it has improved. The TBS title is equal to the TNT title, IMO, and there are numerous angles going on outside of the titles now. It's just hard to see the good when so much revolves around Britt. And I say this as someone who likes her, I just think her reign has dragged on too long.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2022 15:38:38 GMT -5
Also having Leyla beat Statlander, just to turn around and lose to Rosa like three days later, makes the buy in March feel lesser as well in the process.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 7, 2022 16:05:17 GMT -5
Britt’s whole schtick and title reign is, at this point, the worst aspects of Roman Reigns’ current title reign, and HHH’s heel title runs.
Beat downs, interferences, stupid baby faces and refs, and promos about how her opponents are less than the shit under her shoe and getting zero comeuppance for it.
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Post by mistery on Mar 7, 2022 16:19:04 GMT -5
The problem with Britt's title reign is that basically Tony watches WWE and sees Charlotte and thinks that is the best way to present a champion, but with his own spin (which somehow makes it even worse).
I think women's booking is a very clear blind spot for Tony, and he just needs to relegate it to someone else at this point. Whether it be back to Kenny, or bring in someone. SRS mentioned a month or two ago during his Q&A Fightful Select session that AEW was very interested in getting several names from STARDOM, but no one from there is even giving AEW the time of day right now. And last night clearly indicated why.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Mar 7, 2022 16:34:52 GMT -5
I’m not gonna say she some genius booker, but Maria is super motivated to be a great women’s wrestling booker.
Tony should take her from Impact.
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2022 16:35:58 GMT -5
Britt’s whole schtick and title reign is, at this point, the worst aspects of Roman Reigns’ current title reign, and HHH’s heel title runs. Beat downs, interferences, stupid baby faces and refs, and promos about how her opponents are less than the shit under her shoe and getting zero comeuppance for it.
Ive seen in social media comparing her to Jarrett and EVIL/House of Torture(the latter was also mentioned by Meltzer and Alvarez)
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 7, 2022 18:23:48 GMT -5
I was also frustrated at Britt retaining last night but woke up today and I feel in better humor to discuss in civil manners. The thing is that this division can be much better, lets look at Impact KOs division, they dont have A+ in ring talent but they have a good booking that help covering their weaknesses and they can run 4 women feuds and not look forced, lets even look the NWA women division with a smaller roster they can still run multiple women storylines. They do have some A+ talent...but, I agree with the rest of what you said.
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2022 18:33:01 GMT -5
Well Rosa pretty much gave it away that she will face Britt in a cage match at the San Antonio show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 18:54:07 GMT -5
Well Rosa pretty much gave it away that she will face Britt in a cage match at the San Antonio show.
Good It's gonna be a huge moment for her, and the division to have a huge main event Cage Match. And that seemed to be the plan from a mile away
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 18:57:13 GMT -5
Good for TR but feels like it will be a quick fleeting moment because the ppv match has already damaged that moment and no ammount of blood they spill is gonna change it IMO.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 19:05:42 GMT -5
Good for TR but feels like it will be a quick fleeting moment because the ppv match has already damaged that moment and no ammount of blood they spill is gonna change it IMO. It's all relative imo. The moment's big and that pops gonna be huge if and when Rosa wins in a cage. You can't undo people being mad, but you can make good just fine
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Mar 7, 2022 20:06:08 GMT -5
I like both Jade and Britt but their booking has been really ridiculous the past few months
Having a baddie go “I’m the baddest b****” on the block and constantly prove it over and over again with no weakness in sight is really tiring and we have both of them doing it at the same time
Throw that in with all of Britts matches following the same pattern and it’s a recipe for apathy
And again I friggin like both of them. Both of them have a star presence and yeah Jade is still a bit raw but man she makes up for it but because both are doing the same thing at the same time it’s got tiring twice as fast
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 7, 2022 20:32:15 GMT -5
Britt’s whole schtick and title reign is, at this point, the worst aspects of Roman Reigns’ current title reign, and HHH’s heel title runs. Beat downs, interferences, stupid baby faces and refs, and promos about how her opponents are less than the shit under her shoe and getting zero comeuppance for it. Ive seen in social media comparing her to Jarrett and EVIL/House of Torture(the latter was also mentioned by Meltzer and Alvarez)
House of Torture is a very good comparison. Kevin Kelly is always talking about how stupid it is to go up against EVIL in a match by yourself because you know what to expect at this point. The moment the ref’s back is turned or he goes down, you’re going to get: 1. Whacked with a chair by EVIL. 2. Whacked with a cane by Yujiro Takahashi. 3. Beaten with a wrench by SHO. 4. Choked by Dick Togo’s spoiler. So why do guys just take it lying down at this point? Same thing with Britt. The moment things go south for her, Rebel and Hayter will be on the attack. Where’s your backup, dummies? It just gets insulting after a while.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 7, 2022 20:34:18 GMT -5
Well Rosa pretty much gave it away that she will face Britt in a cage match at the San Antonio show.
So what’s the point in the Leyla match? Dumb.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 20:56:45 GMT -5
Well Rosa pretty much gave it away that she will face Britt in a cage match at the San Antonio show.
So what’s the point in the Leyla match? Dumb. Because just giving Rosa an immediate rematch is a trope people hate in wrestling too. It's a situation where there would be complaints either way imo
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Post by petef3 on Mar 7, 2022 21:03:11 GMT -5
So what’s the point in the Leyla match? Dumb. Because just giving Rosa an immediate rematch is a trope people hate in wrestling too. It's a situation where there would be complaints either way imo Just because WWE has beaten rematches to death is no reason to NEVER do them. And here, there would be a completely valid reason for it.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 7, 2022 21:05:00 GMT -5
The problem with Britt's title reign is that basically Tony watches WWE and sees Charlotte and thinks that is the best way to present a champion, but with his own spin (which somehow makes it even worse). I think women's booking is a very clear blind spot for Tony, and he just needs to relegate it to someone else at this point. Whether it be back to Kenny, or bring in someone. SRS mentioned a month or two ago during his Q&A Fightful Select session that AEW was very interested in getting several names from STARDOM, but no one from there is even giving AEW the time of day right now. And last night clearly indicated why. Its still long ways to be as bad as Charlotte IMO I just expect better from then plus Charlotte was never the top mercher mover for her division, or even close to so..there is that at least.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 21:06:29 GMT -5
The problem with Britt's title reign is that basically Tony watches WWE and sees Charlotte and thinks that is the best way to present a champion, but with his own spin (which somehow makes it even worse). Can we not make baseless assumptions like this? Like nowhere has anyone ever said Tony watches WWE weekly, nor would be present his champion exactly like someone else from that brand. He's constantly talking about how he doesn't agree with Vince's visions.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 21:07:47 GMT -5
Because just giving Rosa an immediate rematch is a trope people hate in wrestling too. It's a situation where there would be complaints either way imo Just because WWE has beaten rematches to death is no reason to NEVER do them. And here, there would be a completely valid reason for it. I didn't say that, I said that there would have been people complaining either way because it's true And Leyla needs to lose a match here, otherwise she'll be stuck at one and people would be like "Why isn't SHE getting the title match?", here it's at least in kayfabe and in logic, a fair shake, and then Leyla can go back to the Statlander feud that's clearly not over.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 7, 2022 21:15:38 GMT -5
Just because WWE has beaten rematches to death is no reason to NEVER do them. And here, there would be a completely valid reason for it. I didn't say that, I said that there would have been people complaining either way because it's true And Leyla needs to lose a match here, otherwise she'll be stuck at one and people would be like "Why isn't SHE getting the title match?", here it's at least in kayfabe and in logic, a fair shake, and then Leyla can go back to the Statlander feud that's clearly not over. Again, it's very simple: "Thunder Rosa defeated Britt Baker twice on Sunday, if only unofficially. Therefore she is remaining at #1 contender and getting the next available title shot." Actual consequences for Baker's actions in her title defense. (In fact, if you want, you can double down and declare that Leyla Hirsch won't be moving up in the rankings either until she actually beats Statlander decisively.) Fewer steps. Simpler storytelling. Fewer foregone conclusions. Hirsch doesn't need to be "stuck at one" if you just don't put her there to begin with.
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