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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 14, 2021 2:09:59 GMT -5
Their best women’s matches are on YouTube and need to be on TV. Having the Seadlinnng champ doing dark matches is dumb.
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Post by chrom on Nov 14, 2021 2:14:21 GMT -5
Their best women’s matches are on YouTube and need to be on TV. Having the Seadlinnng champ doing dark matches is dumb. No reason they, Emi and Riho weren't included in the TBS Tournament
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 14, 2021 2:14:58 GMT -5
I think AEW has kind of a general problem with phoning in title feuds. The build to the Lucha Bros finally dethroning the Bucks was basically, "They won a title shot, get a cage match because the Bucks kept cheating against other people," FTR seemed more concerned with Cody than with the people they were actually trying to take the tag belts from, they dragged their ass on giving Kenny a clear challenger for Double or Nothing until like two weeks before the show, I don't think there's been an actual feud over the TNT title since Cody / Brodie, Shida would kind of just face whoever was available when she was champion, Kenny / Christian was pretty much thrown together in two weeks with a separate title match being the only real attempt to put any weight behind it... Not asking for every title defense to be built up for two and a half years - god no - but it feels like they see, "The belt's on the line," as the beginning and end of making a match interesting, even when the result is completely obvious. Hard same on this, and I want to expand it to one of my overarching premises: the problems with the women's division are very much present in the men's division. For the men's wrestling, Khan heavily relies on two things: having a solid stock of wrestlers who can carry a promo segment on demand so that they stay on TV on off weeks, and having a cast of thousands so that he can keep matches fresh, generate a half-dozen matches out of two wrestlers having an issue, and ensure a mix of rivalries so that everyone feels more like an individual. With the current AEW women's roster, there aren't very many who can carry a promo segment the way someone like Jericho or MJF can (and frankly, both of them are lately showing the weakness of that approach, as their material can get thin from being given too much promo time), and there is no cast of thousands with fewer guest stars and a roster a quarter the size of the men's. Absent those strengths, the holes in the booking style are a lot more evident.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 14, 2021 2:22:47 GMT -5
Their best women’s matches are on YouTube and need to be on TV. Having the Seadlinnng champ doing dark matches is dumb. No reason they, Emi and Riho weren't included in the TBS Tournament There’s a small small argument to be made that, barely anybody watches AEW in Japan so having joshi stars on YouTube is a good way to get viewers of their former/current promotions. I think that’s dumb reasoning but it’s crossed my mind. Ryo is being wasted tho.
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Post by holyshida on Nov 14, 2021 2:41:40 GMT -5
You lost me when you said WWE books it's Women's division better
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Post by Mecca on Nov 14, 2021 2:46:34 GMT -5
You lost me when you said WWE books it's Women's division better The give them more time but they also have what 9 hours of first run tv every week to AEWs 3?
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Post by holyshida on Nov 14, 2021 2:49:34 GMT -5
You lost me when you said WWE books it's Women's division better The give them more time but they also have what 9 hours of first run tv every week to AEWs 3? The first 2 matches of the TBS tournament lasted longer than the entire Queens Crown tournament. They're making their titles feel important and they've put on countless great matches over the last few months including tonight
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 14, 2021 2:50:45 GMT -5
You lost me when you said WWE books it's Women's division better The give them more time but they also have what 9 hours of first run tv every week to AEWs 3? AEW has been giving women more in ring time per hour than WWE for a while now.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 14, 2021 2:51:58 GMT -5
The give them more time but they also have what 9 hours of first run tv every week to AEWs 3? The first 2 matches of the TBS tournament lasted longer than the entire Queens Crown tournament. They're making their titles feel important and they've put on countless great matches over the last few months including tonight I think the biggest issue honestly is AEW is a loaded company with talent and there just isn't time for everyone. When lots of new stars come in it takes time for that to settle down.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 14, 2021 2:52:34 GMT -5
They've run into a problem where the bookers have decided on the endgame and then don't want to be flexible; Britt is going to lose the title to Rosa and they've made it abundantly clear that it's going to happen and everything else comes off like filler. There's a lot of talented women on the roster but the way the division is booked does nobody any favors.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 14, 2021 2:52:54 GMT -5
The give them more time but they also have what 9 hours of first run tv every week to AEWs 3? AEW has been giving women more in ring time per hour than WWE for a while now. I'm aware of that but somehow it'll turn into but AEW had 1 match to WWEs 2 and WWE did a women's promo segment.
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Post by holyshida on Nov 14, 2021 2:56:35 GMT -5
The first 2 matches of the TBS tournament lasted longer than the entire Queens Crown tournament. They're making their titles feel important and they've put on countless great matches over the last few months including tonight I think the biggest issue honestly is AEW is a loaded company with talent and there just isn't time for everyone. When lots of new stars come in it takes time for that to settle down. That's true That being said they have several stoylines going on right now Britt/Tay Shida/Deeb feud Building up to Statlander v Soho and revisiting the Cargill/Velvet feud My main issues are that they've overpushed Cargill and are not booking Anna Jay that well since returning
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 14, 2021 2:59:35 GMT -5
Also the women's division needs another one or two midcard heels. Ford, Nyla and Bunny are all talented (Bunny and Ford are much better than they get credit for) but they're always there because AEW doesn't have another heel that can do a story like them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 14, 2021 3:02:52 GMT -5
AEW has been giving women more in ring time per hour than WWE for a while now. I'm aware of that but somehow it'll turn into but AEW had 1 match to WWEs 2 and WWE did a women's promo segment. And yknow what? I want AEW to have more time and more focus on the division... but the time AEW does give the women has usually lead to better matches and better showcases than WWE's at this current time. Not every single time out... but like Deeb/Shida II was probably my favorite women's match in a few years...
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Post by pippen94 on Nov 14, 2021 4:52:14 GMT -5
Women's division has been great in last while. Compare the tbs tournament to the one earlier this year in both USA & Japan. Every match has some story behind it. In ring the return of Deeb, Hayter & debut of Ruby, along with shida & Rosa means there's lots of quality workers.
Ppl complaining champion is too charismatic & dominant but if you're paying attention, she'll lose imminently to somebody who's getting great reactions everytime. Nothing to see hear
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Post by clifford on Nov 14, 2021 5:26:13 GMT -5
I agree with everything in this thread. It's super frustrating. As good as Full Gear was, the fact that the entire womens division was only represented by Tay and Britt on the main card was so insulting.
I DO think that they are close to making it a lot better. The pieces are all there to solve this, they just have to use em. I'm hoping the TBS tournament and Britt's reign ending are the catalysts to a real commitment to the division in 2022.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 14, 2021 5:45:01 GMT -5
It’s bad. We gotta stop saying “depth”—if you have 30 good wrestlers and use 4, don’t brag about the 4.
They have so much infront of their eyes, like Statlander and Riho.
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 14, 2021 6:17:56 GMT -5
I think even with time, which they sometimes get, a big issue they face is just obvious when you look at every Britt match. Nearly all of them have these extremely awkward endings because of rushed interference spots or whatever, and it kills a lot of the heat of each match. Look at the endings to the Tay Conti match or the Statlander match or the Ruby Soho match. None of them are good or handled well (the work itself is normally solid, it's just the endings suck).
Plus the pattern has been for months to protect Jade, to protect Rosa, to protect Britt, and to protect whomever is facing Britt in the next few weeks or whatever. It creates this weird balance where the first two aren't in a feud because they can't lose, but they just wander around aimlessly. In the meantime, nobody believes Britt is losing, so her feuds never really get the proper heat on her or the next opponent. Especially when they often involve Rebel matches, and Rebel is terrible.
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Post by markymark on Nov 14, 2021 6:18:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. I think the inevitable Britt vs. Thunder Rosa feud and match will be an improvement, but the long-term problems will still persist. Why wasn't a rubber match between Shida and Deeb on the PPV? They're 1-1, their story isn't finished, and their previous two matches have been amazing. I'd have much preferred that over the Cody tag match. I wish wrestlers like Deeb, Shida, Statlander, Riho, Soho etc were featured more frequently on TV. They're all over and can go. Because it would be predictable and Shida would go over(it wouldnt make sense having Shida lose before her QH match vs Nyla) but on the other hand last night they spoiled the QHs outcomes (Nyla will beat Shida meaning Shida will resume the Serena feud afterwards).
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Post by markymark on Nov 14, 2021 6:21:12 GMT -5
I think even with time, which they sometimes get, a big issue they face is just obvious when you look at every Britt match. Nearly all of them have these extremely awkward endings because of rushed interference spots or whatever, and it kills a lot of the heat of each match. Look at the endings to the Tay Conti match or the Statlander match or the Ruby Soho match. None of them are good or handled well (the work itself is normally solid, it's just the endings suck). Plus the pattern has been for months to protect Jade, to protect Rosa, to protect Britt, and to protect whomever is facing Britt in the next few weeks or whatever. It creates this weird balance where the first two aren't in a feud because they can't lose, but they just wander around aimlessly. In the meantime, nobody believes Britt is losing, so her feuds never really get the proper heat on her or the next opponent. Especially when they often involve Rebel matches, and Rebel is terrible. They are somehow trying to make it similar to how Kenny was booked as champ, and Rosa is pretty much the Hangman of the women division but everything feels like a knockoff due to bad booking. I also dont understand why Rebel keeps getting matches, they shouldve added Penelope with Britt and be in Rebels spot because at least the in ring quality wouldnt take such a hit.
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