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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 14, 2021 6:26:08 GMT -5
The good of late is that they do have more steady, experienced wrestlers on hand now and have been putting on some very good women's matches with more regularity; we've been over how rough the pandemic times were on the division for a host of reasons, but most of that's in the rearview mirror now and there's been good work done and some new storylines built.
The downside is that we're still at a point where we're not getting more than one women's match on the main card of a PPV, which feels silly at this point. It's clear that Khan books deliberately (both as in "with intention" and "slowly"), so he's likely working through a lot of the men's storylines that they got rolling during the pandemic or that they got underway after the big signings of guys like Punk and Dragon, but it's been long enough now that it shouldn't be asking much for at least one more main card match with some juice behind it.
As for Britt herself, she's still a very hot act, but while she's a very solid in-ring performer she's still someone I think kind of needs that extra dimension to her feuds that give them more stakes; she's not someone you tell "just go out there and put on a show-stealer", she's someone who thrives off feuds with tangible emotions and rivalry to them, so one-off defenses, while necessary for her record as champ, don't resonate as well. This is not a knock on her, mind, and I liked the story they were framing last night of Britt as the star who's used to the spotlight by now and Tay as the up and comer who clearly had to work through the nerves of her first shot at a major title on a stage that big, but when the outcome really isn't in doubt it requires more "oomph" to get the crowd fully invested (e.g. I think most people figured Punk was winning last night, but it didn't stop the match with Kingston from being fantastic given the full story that went into the feud).
ETA: I'll also say this - for all the issues their division had even during the pandemic, they've done a good job of ensuring that most of the women are over with the audience, either as stars or at least as established midcard acts. By and large they draw a reaction, which is a big deal, and runs counter to some of the problems WWE's had in booking its non-Horsewomen performers (obviously with some big exceptions over the years like Bianca).
Issue now is harnessing that and, again, using it to make more stories that can get onto a main card. It's getting better on Dynamite and Rampage, but it's not there yet, and frankly it should be at this stage.
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Post by clifford on Nov 14, 2021 7:32:20 GMT -5
I'm loving the well thought out and well put frustrations and points in this thread.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Nov 14, 2021 8:47:27 GMT -5
100% agree with the title of the thread.
I was REALLY looking forward to Tay/Britt, and honestly, I was bored. And that sucks b/c both women are super talented. Britt is indeed the Roman Reigns of AEW right now. None of her matches feel worthwhile b/c the inevitable feud that has to happen in 2022 for some reason is on the horizon (and I know I've complained about it before)
So much talent that left WWE/NXT goes to other places, and it's name talent that could easily slot in and help bolster your division.
I don't care if there are 75 women's wrestler's on the roster. Quality over quantity. Always.
Ruby Soho feels like just another person on the roster at the moment. And that shouldn't be the case.
She's the first major free agent that came over (which I think still says a lot), is she over? Definitely. Should her arc have been the way it was? No way.
Let her beat Britt. Ruby loses it to Thunder Rosa in a kick-ass match. Britt can challenge Rosa building upon their already awesome rivalry from the past.
You get your program with Rosa and Baker, roles reversed with the title (plus Britt shines WAY MORE in the chase) and you give Ruby some cred, some shine, and she feels important.
I still think sometimes AEW has a women's division because they feel they HAVE to, not because they WANT to.
I don't want to feel that's the case, but it definitely crosses my mind.
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Post by chrom on Nov 14, 2021 8:49:50 GMT -5
Ruby should've won the belt when she challenged for it
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Post by markymark on Nov 14, 2021 9:03:47 GMT -5
100% agree with the title of the thread. I was REALLY looking forward to Tay/Britt, and honestly, I was bored. And that sucks b/c both women are super talented. Britt is indeed the Roman Reigns of AEW right now. None of her matches feel worthwhile b/c the inevitable feud that has to happen in 2022 for some reason is on the horizon (and I know I've complained about it before) So much talent that left WWE/NXT goes to other places, and it's name talent that could easily slot in and help bolster your division. I don't care if there are 75 women's wrestler's on the roster. Quality over quantity. Always. Ruby Soho feels like just another person on the roster at the moment. And that shouldn't be the case. She's the first major free agent that came over (which I think still says a lot), is she over? Definitely. Should her arc have been the way it was? No way. Let her beat Britt. Ruby loses it to Thunder Rosa in a kick-ass match. Britt can challenge Rosa building upon their already awesome rivalry from the past. You get your program with Rosa and Baker, roles reversed with the title (plus Britt shines WAY MORE in the chase) and you give Ruby some cred, some shine, and she feels important. I still think sometimes AEW has a women's division because they feel they HAVE to, not because they WANT to. I don't want to feel that's the case, but it definitely crosses my mind. They are trying to make Britt/Rosa similar to Omega/Hangman but comes off poor because Britt is nowhere the worker Kenny was(and he was injured). I wish there was someone could be the Christian Cage in this whole thing(whoever is the challenge after FG) and beats Britt at Winter is Coming II or whatever TV Special will be in December.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 14, 2021 9:13:06 GMT -5
It seems wild that they still do the one women’s match just about every Dynamite, with no other in-ring promo segment. The most they’ll do besides the one match are those quick one minute cutaway backstage promos. They definitely have the talent to do more, which was the argument as to why they weren’t during the pandemic, so hopefully something changes in that regard.
WWE has started doing more short matches on weekly TV unfortunately but they still typically have multiple (2-3) longer women’s matches on PPV, and on weekly TV they will occasionally main event the show with a long match, and will almost always have the top women featured in long promo segments to open the show or at the top of one of the hours.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 14, 2021 11:46:03 GMT -5
Their best women’s matches are on YouTube and need to be on TV. Having the Seadlinnng champ doing dark matches is dumb. No reason they, Emi and Riho weren't included in the TBS Tournament Or Leyla Hirsch. She’s so good and yet she’s barely on TV?
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Post by chrom on Nov 14, 2021 11:52:34 GMT -5
No reason they, Emi and Riho weren't included in the TBS Tournament Or Leyla Hirsch. She’s so good and yet she’s barely on TV? Agreed. Girl has the makings of a star and yet she's stuck on the webshows
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 14, 2021 12:02:41 GMT -5
Baffling to me how little they use Kris Statlander.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 14, 2021 12:06:47 GMT -5
The Women’s Division is not helped by these long title reigns. Like I don’t want the belt to be passed around every month or anything like that of course.
But Shida walks champion for like a year straight, and immediately afterwards Britt has been champion for like 6+ months.
The division just is not set up for that, and not every women is built to be champion for so long, including Britt.
This is a case where Ruby, or Tay, or whomever getting an upset win over Britt COULD have worked. Britt will still be a big deal with or without the title after all.
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Post by markymark on Nov 14, 2021 12:33:27 GMT -5
And Tay is done feuding with Britt(wont be shocked if she is relegated to Elevation/Dark again to continue getting more experience)
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 14, 2021 12:43:02 GMT -5
Baffling to me how little they use Kris Statlander. She was in one of the four yearly PPV world title matches and is currently in their secondary title tournament where her match has gotten multiple hype videos on TV. She's also regularly on TV as a part of Best Friends.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 14, 2021 12:43:10 GMT -5
And Tay is done feuding with Britt(wont be shocked if she is relegated to Elevation/Dark again to continue getting more experience) Depressingly, there's little of substance for her to do unless the seal is broken on Jade's undefeated streak. I don't think she's had her obligatory Diamante match yet, and she and Anna could wrestle Sakura and Mei a bit, but that's about it right now. I can't even say there's anyone who could be coming in that would be exciting for Tay to face. Then again, she's probably the ideal second TNT champion, so we'll see on that front.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 14, 2021 12:51:10 GMT -5
They've run into a problem where the bookers have decided on the endgame and then don't want to be flexible; Britt is going to lose the title to Rosa and they've made it abundantly clear that it's going to happen and everything else comes off like filler. There's a lot of talented women on the roster but the way the division is booked does nobody any favors. I was gonna compare her and Omega's feud. The only similatiry is that both ahve an end-game opponent tot ake the title off The difference ares: Omega is likely the best pure wrestler on his division and makes every match interesting The Elite overall served multiple purposes and feud,not just Britt. Almost Everyone Omega faced came out looking better or kept feuding with The Elite ,keeping relevant like the DO and Jungle Boy Really,good on Britt on being over,was it worthy her being the only woman ever used in the division?No. Imagino if any of the other women got half the screentime Britt got.And her promos where she just brushs off everything are really starting to bury the division itself
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 14, 2021 12:51:28 GMT -5
Big Swole hasn't had a match on television since December of last year.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 14, 2021 12:56:18 GMT -5
Problem keeps getting pushed back First they needed to sign more women, then they were going to get featured more on Rampage and just "wait and see" and that game has been played for a long time with minimal results The biggest one to benefit has been Britt and no one is close to her level and it has been that way for a long time even when Shida was champ Women did get more features on Rampage issue is that once again,most of all that feature involves Britt Give us more Shida vs Deeb,shit like tha!The crowd and the fanbase ate that shit up,it f***ing worked.
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Post by asuka007 on Nov 14, 2021 12:59:21 GMT -5
They've run into a problem where the bookers have decided on the endgame and then don't want to be flexible; Britt is going to lose the title to Rosa and they've made it abundantly clear that it's going to happen and everything else comes off like filler. There's a lot of talented women on the roster but the way the division is booked does nobody any favors. I was gonna compare her and Omega's feud. The only similatiry is that both ahve an end-game opponent tot ake the title off The difference ares: Omega is likely the best pure wrestler on his division and makes every match interesting The Elite overall served multiple purposes and feud,not just Britt. Almost Everyone Omega faced came out looking better or kept feuding with The Elite ,keeping relevant like the DO and Jungle Boy Really,good on Britt on being over,was it worthy her being the only woman ever used in the division?No. Imagino if any of the other women got half the screentime Britt got.And her promos where she just brushs off everything are really starting to bury the division itself They the booking kept the Omega reign interesting despite the fact that we knew Hangman was the endgame. And his opponents still had prominent roles on the show even after they lose to Kenny. And the Elite keeps things interesting as well as you said. Britt’s reign is more like early 2000’s Triple H and that is NOT a good thing.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 14, 2021 13:11:07 GMT -5
Problem keeps getting pushed back First they needed to sign more women, then they were going to get featured more on Rampage and just "wait and see" and that game has been played for a long time with minimal results The biggest one to benefit has been Britt and no one is close to her level and it has been that way for a long time even when Shida was champ Women did get more features on Rampage issue is that once again,most of all that feature involves Britt Give us more Shida vs Deeb,shit like tha!The crowd and the fanbase ate that shit up,it f***ing worked. Too bad Shida didn't get this type of attention when she was champ because this is working wonders for her and Deeb has been really good in helping to elevate people
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Post by chrom on Nov 14, 2021 13:41:57 GMT -5
Big Swole hasn't had a match on television since December of last year. Neither has Diamante. The last time either was on TV was December 16th 2020 when they faced each other in a tag match
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Post by chrom on Nov 14, 2021 13:47:25 GMT -5
Getting the belt off Britt and breaking her strangle hold on the division is a must at this rate.
The status quo anymore for it is her, Jade and occasionally Nyla
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