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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Nov 18, 2021 20:09:50 GMT -5
Ruby Soho v Kris Statlander would have made a great final, it's a shame it's so early in the tournament. Then the winner is attacked by Jade after. The top half's journey to the finals seems way easier than the ladies at the bottom half. (Not counting the first round bye's) we had Deeb, Shida, and Ruby all in the bottom part of the brackets. With Anna, Red Velvet, and Bunny in the top. Could've been balanced better.
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2022 7:37:19 GMT -5
Well bumping this due to what happened at Revolution The booking is really bad, moments like making TayJay look heelish in cheating trying to beat Jade or having Rosa do an eliminator match vs Leyla who is about to lose the momentum she got beating Kris leaves you confused and scratching your head. There are better ways to have Rosa do a rematch like idk having her put her career on the line at the SA show, give us a good reason to care about her, give us a good reason to get invested in Rosa vs Britt again, also where was Mercedes Martinez? In the Britt thread someone asked what happened to Ruby, I guess due to lackluster in ring performances whatever push there was planned got dropped.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 7, 2022 7:39:41 GMT -5
Just letting you all know since we had to lock the Dr. Britt Baker thread, if you guys can be civil talking about this topic, that’d be great. I know people are passionate about their favourite wrestlers and want to see them succeed, but that’s no excuse for taking it out on other posters when things don’t go your way.
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2022 7:44:07 GMT -5
I was also frustrated at Britt retaining last night but woke up today and I feel in better humor to discuss in civil manners.
The thing is that this division can be much better, lets look at Impact KOs division, they dont have A+ in ring talent but they have a good booking that help covering their weaknesses and they can run 4 women feuds and not look forced, lets even look the NWA women division with a smaller roster they can still run multiple women storylines.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 7:45:45 GMT -5
Well bumping this due to what happened at Revolution The booking is really bad, moments like making TayJay look heelish in cheating trying to beat Jade or having Rosa do an eliminator match vs Leyla who is about to lose the momentum she got beating Kris leaves you confused and scratching your head. There are better ways to have Rosa do a rematch like idk having her put her career on the line at the SA show, give us a good reason to care about her, give us a good reason to get invested in Rosa vs Britt again, also where was Mercedes Martinez? In the Britt thread someone asked what happened to Ruby, I guess due to lackluster in ring performances whatever push there was planned got dropped.
Just gonna knock the Ruby one out first, that's a gross speculation and I highly doubt that's the reason. The main one is probably that they're waiting for storylines to open up for her to get on TV again. She has wrestled fine matches on DARK the last few weeks, keeping reps. Rosa vs Baker in a potential cage match at the SA show is a good enough reason to care about Rosa. Knocking out a force in Leyla is a fine way to get momentum back. Leyla Hirsch was never planned to go for the belt right now, her feud with Statlander and Velvet isn't even over. This more than likely intertwines the two a bit Sterling cheated first, Jade's been an asshole the entire time, TayJay weren't really booked as heels to me, just trying to overcome an asshole monster, and Tay came really damn close. The booking of the girls needs to be better, frankly I wish this thread wasn't necroposted back to the front after the Britt one got so f***ing terrible it had to be locked, but I hope that in the future, people like Regal only help progress that, because he had a pretty close relationship with the women in NXT. These are the types you need to help make things go smoother backstage, and I hope helps with it
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 7, 2022 7:47:56 GMT -5
It’s good that Revolution was an overall great PPV because that match was terrible and the wrong person won.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 7:48:59 GMT -5
I was also frustrated at Britt retaining last night but woke up today and I feel in better humor to discuss in civil manners. The thing is that this division can be much better, lets look at Impact KOs division, they dont have A+ in ring talent but they have a good booking that help covering their weaknesses and they can run 4 women feuds and not look forced, lets even look the NWA women division with a smaller roster they can still run multiple women storylines. If "Better humor" is searching out a thread that hasn't been active since November to necropost it, instead of letting the topic that got the other one locked cool down for literally a day, yeah, hilarious... Honestly it's just the same regurgitated thing over and over again, you wonder why the threads just crash into the ground, "This women's division does THIS", "THIS women's division is SO MUCH BETTER", "God this division SUCKS", for anyone who actually doesn't mind the division and actually is intrigued where things are going, you kind of feel like you're on a remote island, all alone. Do I think the match last night was good? Could have been better. Ring work to me was fine? I don't know, it didn't bother me when I was watching it. Does it bother me Rosa lost to heavy interference? Not with the plan being her winning it in two weeks. Does it ruin the division? Does it make it worse? I don't think so. I think the same problems are there that could use tweaking, including but especially time management, but I think Rosa's winning in two weeks, and going to have a huge moment all to herself, and imo if and when she does, I hope it makes the Revolution booking moot, and we start seeing some more actual change to the division, because the stuff I saw on the PPV wasn't awful. You could have a lot of potential storylines for the girls here, I hope people like Regal can help them flow more cohesively and execute them.
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2022 8:01:32 GMT -5
They couldve had at least have Ruby back up Rosa and preventing Jamie/Rebel interference.
The easiest way to get Anna over was having Sterling trying to attack her, she kicks him in the nuts then KOs him with her sick forearms.
Nyla is probably next in line to challenge to Jade, and she is perfect for Jades 30th win, its either that or being Rosas first challenger after she beats Britt in 2 weeks.
Replying to the OP bringing up Swole in the Britt thread: They gave Swole several chances but her Crohn got out control and couldnt stay healthy(she even admitted after All Out 2020), they gave other black talent a chance but they got blasted for botching(Red Velvet) and there are still people mocking Jade although Jade last night showed more growth.
Swole was right about the division needing a writer/consultant, because with that you couldve prevented stuff like Rosa getting a eliminator match in an attempt to bring back momentum to Rosa/Britt.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 7, 2022 8:05:47 GMT -5
I started reading this thread from the start and forgot I was reading posts from November.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2022 8:06:28 GMT -5
There has been some progress. They got three matches last night and I really liked two of them.
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2022 8:10:29 GMT -5
I was also frustrated at Britt retaining last night but woke up today and I feel in better humor to discuss in civil manners. The thing is that this division can be much better, lets look at Impact KOs division, they dont have A+ in ring talent but they have a good booking that help covering their weaknesses and they can run 4 women feuds and not look forced, lets even look the NWA women division with a smaller roster they can still run multiple women storylines. If "Better humor" is searching out a thread that hasn't been active since November to necropost it, instead of letting the topic that got the other one locked cool down for literally a day, yeah, hilarious... Honestly it's just the same regurgitated thing over and over again, you wonder why the threads just crash into the ground, "This women's division does THIS", "THIS women's division is SO MUCH BETTER", "God this division SUCKS", for anyone who actually doesn't mind the division and actually is intrigued where things are going, you kind of feel like you're on a remote island, all alone. Do I think the match last night was good? Could have been better. Ring work to me was fine? I don't know, it didn't bother me when I was watching it. Does it bother me Rosa lost to heavy interference? Not with the plan being her winning it in two weeks. Does it ruin the division? Does it make it worse? I don't think so. I think the same problems are there that could use tweaking, including but especially time management, but I think Rosa's winning in two weeks, and going to have a huge moment all to herself, and imo if and when she does, I hope it makes the Revolution booking moot, and we start seeing some more actual change to the division, because the stuff I saw on the PPV wasn't awful. You could have a lot of potential storylines for the girls here, I hope people like Regal can help them flow more cohesively and execute them.
I was disappointed because the match was almost 20 mins long(17 mins according to Cagematch) and the crowd was engaged at some point but in the last 5 mins of so they were barely reacting(Some of the moves Britt did looked clunky) and the ending was flat. I agree about time management because Britt cant work a 15mins+ match(unless its a gimmick match), her best matches have been when she wrestles 10-13 mins long(Statlander at All Out)
If there is a case that Rosa loses again then well they can build up Shida again and beats Britt after she beats Serena in the 5th and final match of their feud
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 8:12:35 GMT -5
There has been some progress. They got three matches last night and I really liked two of them. Khan at the scrum also said he had no regrets about booking tonight, or the decisions he made. He said "Usually, I have a regret, usually I look back and hate something, or wish something went different. I thought tonight was perfect" So, as angry as fans seem to be about the decision to delay Rosa's win for two weeks, I just don't think the negative outweighed the positive for Khan in his own eyes. He wants Rosa to win that strap, in her hometown, on the one year Anniversary where she and Britt set monster ratings. You can say it shouldn't have been done that way, you can say it was a mistake, you can say it was a awful match... in the end, I don't know... what do you want for Thunder Rosa? A moment where her crowning moment is like the 7th best thing that night? Or do you want to see her win it in the main event of a show, in her hometown, potentially in the first ever AEW Women's Steel Cage match ever? Like... I get the negativity, I get Britt's title reign has overstayed it's welcome... but idk how you're a booker and you see that opportunity, and pass it up. If Khan for some outlandish reason does, I am gonna have a HUGE problem lmfao, but I think he's willing to take apathy for the moment he sees in front of him, and I gotta tell ya, that's pretty commendable, because unlike some promoters who don't give a shit about what fans think, Khan clearly does, for the better or for the detriment, and he really is telling fans to trust him here on this. I hope he can deliver, and make this a huge moment. It all starts Wednesday.
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2022 8:20:14 GMT -5
My option would be a Texas Death Match so Britt doesnt eat the pin and also it would help cover Britt weaknesses, I understand some would complain they have done a lot hardcore matches in the last 3 months but it makes sense for Britt/Rosa and would be a nice way to end their feud for good.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2022 8:34:52 GMT -5
I don’t want a big PPV match to end in a way where the vast majority of the fan base feels annoyed. I’d also prefer Rosa get her crowning moment on the biggest stage possible.
Which is the case here for the former.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 8:40:00 GMT -5
I don’t want a big PPV match to end in a way where the vast majority of the fan base feels annoyed. I’d also prefer Rosa get her crowning moment on the biggest stage possible. Which is the case here for the former. The biggest stage possible for her might be her hometown though. Like, have we ever considered that she wants to win it there? Wanted to in the first place? We talk a lot about the booking, but this all seems relatively set up to have Rosa get this huge moment, and it would be on a huge stage where everyone could see it live, where she's more than likely control the entire discussion. I also dont know exactly how annoyed the fans are to call it a "Majority", I know people want the reign to end, but really if this happens with Rosa in two weeks, how many will care when it's over? Some will, obviously, but the majority? Hard to say. I hope they nail it to make it matter. I still think her winning at Revolution has her overshadowed, majorly, the PPV was so incredibly stacked top to bottom and delivered. Maybe I'm unpopular for liking this potential road, but I hope it goes well.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 7, 2022 8:40:22 GMT -5
There has been some progress. They got three matches last night and I really liked two of them. Khan at the scrum also said he had no regrets about booking tonight, or the decisions he made. He said "Usually, I have a regret, usually I look back and hate something, or wish something went different. I thought tonight was perfect" So, as angry as fans seem to be about the decision to delay Rosa's win for two weeks, I just don't think the negative outweighed the positive for Khan in his own eyes. He wants Rosa to win that strap, in her hometown, on the one year Anniversary where she and Britt set monster ratings. You can say it shouldn't have been done that way, you can say it was a mistake, you can say it was a awful match... in the end, I don't know... what do you want for Thunder Rosa? A moment where her crowning moment is like the 7th best thing that night? Or do you want to see her win it in the main event of a show, in her hometown, potentially in the first ever AEW Women's Steel Cage match ever? Like... I get the negativity, I get Britt's title reign has overstayed it's welcome... but idk how you're a booker and you see that opportunity, and pass it up. If Khan for some outlandish reason does, I am gonna have a HUGE problem lmfao, but I think he's willing to take apathy for the moment he sees in front of him, and I gotta tell ya, that's pretty commendable, because unlike some promoters who don't give a shit about what fans think, Khan clearly does, for the better or for the detriment, and he really is telling fans to trust him here on this. I hope he can deliver, and make this a huge moment. It all starts Wednesday. I don't mean any disrespect, but this is a thread specifically designed to air grievances about the treatment of the women's division. The purpose of the thread is that people are frustrated and it seems counter-productive to try to change people's minds about a PPV result that has left a lot of us very frustrated. Again, no disrespect.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 8:43:57 GMT -5
Khan at the scrum also said he had no regrets about booking tonight, or the decisions he made. He said "Usually, I have a regret, usually I look back and hate something, or wish something went different. I thought tonight was perfect" So, as angry as fans seem to be about the decision to delay Rosa's win for two weeks, I just don't think the negative outweighed the positive for Khan in his own eyes. He wants Rosa to win that strap, in her hometown, on the one year Anniversary where she and Britt set monster ratings. You can say it shouldn't have been done that way, you can say it was a mistake, you can say it was a awful match... in the end, I don't know... what do you want for Thunder Rosa? A moment where her crowning moment is like the 7th best thing that night? Or do you want to see her win it in the main event of a show, in her hometown, potentially in the first ever AEW Women's Steel Cage match ever? Like... I get the negativity, I get Britt's title reign has overstayed it's welcome... but idk how you're a booker and you see that opportunity, and pass it up. If Khan for some outlandish reason does, I am gonna have a HUGE problem lmfao, but I think he's willing to take apathy for the moment he sees in front of him, and I gotta tell ya, that's pretty commendable, because unlike some promoters who don't give a shit about what fans think, Khan clearly does, for the better or for the detriment, and he really is telling fans to trust him here on this. I hope he can deliver, and make this a huge moment. It all starts Wednesday. I don't mean any disrespect, but this is a thread specifically designed to air grievances about the treatment of the women's division. The purpose of the thread is that people are frustrated and it seems counter-productive to try to change people's minds about a PPV result that has left a lot of us very frustrated. Again, no disrespect. I'm not changing anyone's mind, I'm giving the other side of the coin. My side of the coin seems wholeheartedly unpopular here, but at the same time I think it's just as warranted as the frustration takes. It's not a bad thing to throw them out there, even if not everyone agrees, because while the frustration makes a ton of sense, there is plenty of merit to Baker/Rosa also having a clear path, a logical road (Which was pointed out before the other thread imploded), and what is hopefully a satisfying conclusion I replied to someone here who said "There's been progress" as well, this was like... the least potential post of conflict I've made I think lol It was also a thread made in November, revived because the other one got locked for going off the rails into a canyon, feel like there were better ways to go about it tbh, but that's just me.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2022 8:54:40 GMT -5
Khan at the scrum also said he had no regrets about booking tonight, or the decisions he made. He said "Usually, I have a regret, usually I look back and hate something, or wish something went different. I thought tonight was perfect" So, as angry as fans seem to be about the decision to delay Rosa's win for two weeks, I just don't think the negative outweighed the positive for Khan in his own eyes. He wants Rosa to win that strap, in her hometown, on the one year Anniversary where she and Britt set monster ratings. You can say it shouldn't have been done that way, you can say it was a mistake, you can say it was a awful match... in the end, I don't know... what do you want for Thunder Rosa? A moment where her crowning moment is like the 7th best thing that night? Or do you want to see her win it in the main event of a show, in her hometown, potentially in the first ever AEW Women's Steel Cage match ever? Like... I get the negativity, I get Britt's title reign has overstayed it's welcome... but idk how you're a booker and you see that opportunity, and pass it up. If Khan for some outlandish reason does, I am gonna have a HUGE problem lmfao, but I think he's willing to take apathy for the moment he sees in front of him, and I gotta tell ya, that's pretty commendable, because unlike some promoters who don't give a shit about what fans think, Khan clearly does, for the better or for the detriment, and he really is telling fans to trust him here on this. I hope he can deliver, and make this a huge moment. It all starts Wednesday. I don't mean any disrespect, but this is a thread specifically designed to air grievances about the treatment of the women's division. The purpose of the thread is that people are frustrated and it seems counter-productive to try to change people's minds about a PPV result that has left a lot of us very frustrated. Again, no disrespect. And people can and should do that. But I also think that in a thread made back in November, we should talk about the areas they've regressed (Britt's reign) and the areas where they've improved (Jade being a star, more matches on PPV, etc).
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Post by holyshida on Mar 7, 2022 9:00:29 GMT -5
I can give a long list of reasons why certain Women in the division are treated like crap but I don't want another warning for simply having an opinion and being attacked by other users because I feel a couple of my favourite Women in the division are treated unfairly compared to certain other Women in the division. So I'm not going to deeply into it. I'm just going to say things need to drastically improve. The talent is there, they've got some really good prospects right now
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 7, 2022 9:20:00 GMT -5
I don't mean any disrespect, but this is a thread specifically designed to air grievances about the treatment of the women's division. The purpose of the thread is that people are frustrated and it seems counter-productive to try to change people's minds about a PPV result that has left a lot of us very frustrated. Again, no disrespect. I'm not changing anyone's mind, I'm giving the other side of the coin. My side of the coin seems wholeheartedly unpopular here, but at the same time I think it's just as warranted as the frustration takes. It's not a bad thing to throw them out there, even if not everyone agrees, because while the frustration makes a ton of sense, there is plenty of merit to Baker/Rosa also having a clear path, a logical road (Which was pointed out before the other thread imploded), and what is hopefully a satisfying conclusion I replied to someone here who said "There's been progress" as well, this was like... the least potential post of conflict I've made I think lol It was also a thread made in November, revived because the other one got locked for going off the rails into a canyon, feel like there were better ways to go about it tbh, but that's just me. Your side isn't unpopular but for some reason you unintentionally egg on posters. Especially when you see the conversation is going nowhere, you continue on with folks who don't want to have a back and forth. And then it leads to nastiness that got the Britt topic temporarily locked
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