salz4life
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Post by salz4life on Mar 7, 2022 9:36:09 GMT -5
Seems like we are headed to Rosa/Britt Cage Match.... If Rosa doesn't win there, that's when I will get annoyed. This will make better sense (all the interfering leading to Britt retaining) as long as Rosa goes over in the cage.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 7, 2022 9:37:06 GMT -5
Wrestling as a whole deeply needs to move away from the idea that “lengthy = inhertetly good”
The reality is that a short reign in an ultra competitive division is pretty much always going to do more for somebody than being a placeholder smacking away everybody that even gets close. Combine that with having to use all the generic heel shit in your matches and it’s a no-go for the modern era.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 7, 2022 9:42:37 GMT -5
I was also frustrated at Britt retaining last night but woke up today and I feel in better humor to discuss in civil manners. The thing is that this division can be much better, lets look at Impact KOs division, they dont have A+ in ring talent but they have a good booking that help covering their weaknesses and they can run 4 women feuds and not look forced, lets even look the NWA women division with a smaller roster they can still run multiple women storylines. Don't feel like booking multiple storylines is the problem as it was before. It's HOW they're booking the storylines that is the problem. Honestly there were 3-5 various stories going into Revolution, problem was the resolutions and format structure.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 9:42:58 GMT -5
I'm not changing anyone's mind, I'm giving the other side of the coin. My side of the coin seems wholeheartedly unpopular here, but at the same time I think it's just as warranted as the frustration takes. It's not a bad thing to throw them out there, even if not everyone agrees, because while the frustration makes a ton of sense, there is plenty of merit to Baker/Rosa also having a clear path, a logical road (Which was pointed out before the other thread imploded), and what is hopefully a satisfying conclusion I replied to someone here who said "There's been progress" as well, this was like... the least potential post of conflict I've made I think lol It was also a thread made in November, revived because the other one got locked for going off the rails into a canyon, feel like there were better ways to go about it tbh, but that's just me. Your side isn't unpopular but for some reason you unintentionally egg on posters. Especially when you see the conversation is going nowhere, you continue on with folks who don't want to have a back and forth. And then it leads to nastiness that got the Britt topic temporarily locked Well that's not my intention, and the Britt thread got locked for a ton of reasons that weren't just me, to be frank, but I'm not gonna go into that again. I don't think there's anything wrong with giving another side in discussion, I'm not trying to egg users on, in some cases I even agree. But if you're acting like I was the only one instigating or starting something there, well... I disagree, and again, am leaving it there.
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2022 10:08:45 GMT -5
Thats a sign when a talent is frustrated by bad booking, I also noticed there was a lack of fire in Rosa even though she tried vs Britt but there was still something missing
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 10:27:50 GMT -5
I'm fine with Rosa beating Britt in San Antonio. I'm not fine with them doing a nearly 20 minute PPV match where Britt wins through interference yet again, two weeks before the San Antonio match, to get us to that point.
The Dynamite after Full Gear 2021 was held in Virginia. They COULD'VE held off on Hangman beating Kenny until Dynamite so he could get the hometown pop. But they didn't do that because that would've rendered the PPV match completely inconsequential.
If Khan truly has no regrets about last night then that simply shows he's got some obvious blind spots when it comes to the women's booking. Which, frankly, we already knew.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 7, 2022 10:29:07 GMT -5
If they absolutely had to have Rosa's title win be in her hometown...I mean, okay, I guess. But to have her lose in the most cliched, lazy way possible really rubbed me just as wrong as the result itself. Anyone who doesn't actually have a plan to deal with Rebel and Hayter at this point is an idiot, and you don't want your babyfaces being idiots.
Personally I think it'd do her just as well to have her arrive in San Antonio as the conquering hero already, give her a win over Hirsch in her first title defense, and essentially run a victory lap. If anything that might make her look like a bigger star than just winning the title there.
That match also did not need to be 17 minutes long for *that* finish. People were asking in response to criticisms that the show was great but also LOOOONG, "well, what do you actually cut?" The Women's title match was Exhibit A.
And they really, really booked Paul Turner to look like an idiot. The heat is supposed to be on the heel(s), not the referee. But it's hard to maintain heat when the referee and babyface come off as such morons.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 7, 2022 10:33:48 GMT -5
I think from top to bottom the women's division is getting much better. I know Jade isn't popular but I think she's getting better each match and honestly she is over.
The Britt/Rosa stuff? Discussed ad nauseum. I just think they lost steam in the reign. I actually think that the reign was fine through Full Gear as I think her matches were good at worse, but since then yeah the in ring work got sloppy... but in fairness, Ruby, Rosa, and Nyla have all looked pretty rough in recent showings.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 7, 2022 10:33:52 GMT -5
This is where having an on-air authority figure (NOT Tony Khan, but a Regal-type) would really help. Instead of awkwardly throwing Rosa into a foregone conclusion of a #1 contenders match to get her rematch, imagine the payoff if a Regal or an Arn Anderson shows up and tells Baker to her face, "Looks to me like Rosa actually beat you twice last night, so to make sure there's a decisive winner next time, I'm keeping Rosa as the #1 contender and putting her against you in a cage" and a classic Baker tantrum in response. That would at least indicate that heel actions have consequences, which AEW doesn't do enough of.
Instead...hey, Rosa vs. Hirsch may be a banger, but we already know the result, they practically shouted it from the rooftops when they announced the match. Then maybe Rosa gets on a mic and asks for a cage or some other stip, and then 2 minutes later Excalibur can exclaim "TONY KHAN HAS MADE IT OFFICIAL!" Then maybe Rosa can grab Baker's belt and hold it up. And then maybe on Rampage Rosa can do a backstage interview where Baker and her goons interrupt and beat her down. You know, fresh booking.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 7, 2022 10:38:33 GMT -5
Your side isn't unpopular but for some reason you unintentionally egg on posters. Especially when you see the conversation is going nowhere, you continue on with folks who don't want to have a back and forth. And then it leads to nastiness that got the Britt topic temporarily locked Well that's not my intention, and the Britt thread got locked for a ton of reasons that weren't just me, to be frank, but I'm not gonna go into that again. I don't think there's anything wrong with giving another side in discussion, I'm not trying to egg users on, in some cases I even agree. But if you're acting like I was the only one instigating or starting something there, well... I disagree, and again, am leaving it there. Nah I dont think you are, I've seen other posters instigate too and say way worse things. Im just saying there's no convo to be had with someone that had that line of thinking
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 10:53:30 GMT -5
That match also did not need to be 17 minutes long for *that* finish. People were asking in response to criticisms that the show was great but also LOOOONG, "well, what do you actually cut?" The Women's title match was Exhibit A. There's a weird irony to this statement. A lot of people said "Keep the women's matches short", and a lot of people in response said "No, that'd be a terrible look because there's already criticism of the division. Both matches going under 10 minutes wouldn't be ideal" Now here we are, with peeps saying the women's title match shouldn't have been long. I'm not even saying it should have been long, it just felt like an unwinnable situation.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 7, 2022 10:55:27 GMT -5
That match also did not need to be 17 minutes long for *that* finish. People were asking in response to criticisms that the show was great but also LOOOONG, "well, what do you actually cut?" The Women's title match was Exhibit A. There's a weird irony to this statement. A lot of people said "Keep the women's matches short", and a lot of people in response said "No, that'd be a terrible look because there's already criticism of the division. Both matches going under 10 minutes wouldn't be ideal" Now here we are, with peeps saying the women's title match shouldn't have been long. I'm not even saying it should have been long, it just felt like an unwinnable situation. Then give the match a finish worthy of its length. You can't just say, "Well, look at the time we gave the women tonight" when you pull a finish out of the Britt Baker Cheating Heel 101 textbook that we've already seen what seems like 15 times. This doesn't just apply to the women, but sometimes it's okay to leave fans wanting more.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 10:56:48 GMT -5
I think from top to bottom the women's division is getting much better. I know Jade isn't popular but I think she's getting better each match and honestly she is over. The Britt/Rosa stuff? Discussed ad nauseum. I just think they lost steam in the reign. I actually think that the reign was fine through Full Gear as I think her matches were good at worse, but since then yeah the in ring work got sloppy... but in fairness, Ruby, Rosa, and Nyla have all looked pretty rough in recent showings. It's fair to ask how much these girls are also hurting, and it's why they aren't working the main TV programs. I don't know to say, but if there's any smoke to the Rosa injury report that AEW denied, it'd make sense as to why her matches have had an air of offness to them I dont think all the women are HURT hurt, but Nyla's been put in six women matches and Soho has notably also been put in a lot of multi women matches. They might be rehabbing stuff but still trying to keep reps up, stingers and such slowing them down.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 10:58:59 GMT -5
There's a weird irony to this statement. A lot of people said "Keep the women's matches short", and a lot of people in response said "No, that'd be a terrible look because there's already criticism of the division. Both matches going under 10 minutes wouldn't be ideal" Now here we are, with peeps saying the women's title match shouldn't have been long. I'm not even saying it should have been long, it just felt like an unwinnable situation. Then give the match a finish worthy of its length. You can't just say, "Well, look at the time we gave the women tonight" when you pull a finish out of the Britt Baker Cheating Heel 101 textbook that we've already seen what seems like 15 times. This doesn't just apply to the women, but sometimes it's okay to leave fans wanting more. The finish plays into what's coming though, like to me that finish was meant to have fans calling for Britt's head and her cronies too. Rosa had the match won, twice, and the crowd was audibly into the end because of it. I think if you set this up as a Cage Match or a Texas Deathmatch as another suggested this week, you're gonna actively give the crowd a lot to want for St. Patrick's Day Slam But Rosa fought through everything until she just couldn't anymore. Britt didn't win, she survived, that was the story there to me anyway. It's gonna come to a head, like MJF's ring, the heel's gonna run out of rabbits to pull out of the hat.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Mar 7, 2022 11:02:43 GMT -5
3 people debuted at All Out, Adam Cole, Bryan Danielson and Ruby Soho. There have been 2 ppvs since then, Cole and Bryan have been on both while Ruby has been on none. She is currently slumming it on Dark and honestly that is just deflating.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 7, 2022 11:02:49 GMT -5
Then give the match a finish worthy of its length. You can't just say, "Well, look at the time we gave the women tonight" when you pull a finish out of the Britt Baker Cheating Heel 101 textbook that we've already seen what seems like 15 times. This doesn't just apply to the women, but sometimes it's okay to leave fans wanting more. The finish plays into what's coming though, like to me that finish was meant to have fans calling for Britt's head and her cronies too. Rosa had the match won, twice, and the crowd was audibly into the end because of it. I think if you set this up as a Cage Match or a Texas Deathmatch as another suggested this week, you're gonna actively give the crowd a lot to want for St. Patrick's Day Slam But it didn't--the heat, such as it was, was all on the promotion and the incompetent referee. And Rosa doesn't really look screwed over--she looks like an idiot because she came down to the ring alone while Baker came out with 2 people who you know are going to interfere. It's like 1997 DX all over again--both that act and Baker constantly rely on their babyface opponents being idiots. And why the rigamarole of a Rosa-Hirsch #1 contenders match? The match may be a banger, but we already know the result. This is what I was getting at with an authority figure being useful in this slot, to give Baker real, actual consequences for cheating.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 7, 2022 11:03:57 GMT -5
3 people debuted at All Out, Adam Cole, Bryan Danielson and Ruby Soho. There have been 2 ppvs since then, Cole and Bryan have been on both while Ruby has been on none. She is currently slumming it on Dark and honestly that is just deflating. Well, frankly, Soho hasn't brought it in her in-ring performances to earn much more than what she's got. That Statlander-Hirsch match blew away just about anything Ruby has been involved in since her debut.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 7, 2022 11:04:09 GMT -5
I think from top to bottom the women's division is getting much better. I know Jade isn't popular but I think she's getting better each match and honestly she is over. The Britt/Rosa stuff? Discussed ad nauseum. I just think they lost steam in the reign. I actually think that the reign was fine through Full Gear as I think her matches were good at worse, but since then yeah the in ring work got sloppy... but in fairness, Ruby, Rosa, and Nyla have all looked pretty rough in recent showings. It's fair to ask how much these girls are also hurting, and it's why they aren't working the main TV programs. I don't know to say, but if there's any smoke to the Rosa injury report that AEW denied, it'd make sense as to why her matches have had an air of offness to them I dont think all the women are HURT hurt, but Nyla's been put in six women matches and Soho has notably also been put in a lot of multi women matches. They might be rehabbing stuff but still trying to keep reps up, stingers and such slowing them down. My point was more to say that while people are complaining about Britt she is not the only one who is having a rough time recently in ring. But heck, most people have been hating on Jade and I've been entertained by every match she has had aside from the Ruby match (which was rough).
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 7, 2022 11:05:11 GMT -5
3 people debuted at All Out, Adam Cole, Bryan Danielson and Ruby Soho. There have been 2 ppvs since then, Cole and Bryan have been on both while Ruby has been on none. She is currently slumming it on Dark and honestly that is just deflating. Well, frankly, Soho hasn't brought it in her in-ring performances to earn much more than what she's got. That Statlander-Hirsch match blew away just about anything Ruby has been involved in since her debut. I feel like Ruby was brought in much like Serena was to be player coaches for the women's division. Where the difference being Serena has found her groove and Ruby hasn't.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Mar 7, 2022 11:07:36 GMT -5
*Thunder Rosa kicking at the ground* WHERE THE f*** WAS MERCEDES
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