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Post by thechase on Nov 19, 2021 10:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 19, 2021 11:04:57 GMT -5
The fact that this doesn't mention Snake Eyes at all fills me with hope and optimism for the GI Joe franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 16:42:21 GMT -5
The fact that this doesn't mention Snake Eyes at all fills me with hope and optimism for the GI Joe franchise. Right. G.I. Joe is practically on its death bed and you think the solution is not featuring its most popular character? Ask someone at Marvel about sales on X-Men comics that proudly don't feature Wolverine, or someone at DC about Justice League comics without Batman in them.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 19, 2021 16:52:46 GMT -5
The fact that this doesn't mention Snake Eyes at all fills me with hope and optimism for the GI Joe franchise. Right. G.I. Joe is practically on its death bed and you think the solution is not featuring its most popular character? Ask someone at Marvel about sales on X-Men comics that proudly don't feature Wolverine, or someone at DC about Justice League comics without Batman in them. If X-Men and Justice League were on their death beds maybe they shouldn't be featuring Wolverine and Batman.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 19, 2021 17:21:23 GMT -5
The fact that this doesn't mention Snake Eyes at all fills me with hope and optimism for the GI Joe franchise. Right. G.I. Joe is practically on its death bed and you think the solution is not featuring its most popular character? Ask someone at Marvel about sales on X-Men comics that proudly don't feature Wolverine, or someone at DC about Justice League comics without Batman in them. I mean, a movie that revolved around Snake Eyes didn’t really leave an impact in the box office, so…
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 8:22:22 GMT -5
Right. G.I. Joe is practically on its death bed and you think the solution is not featuring its most popular character? Ask someone at Marvel about sales on X-Men comics that proudly don't feature Wolverine, or someone at DC about Justice League comics without Batman in them. I mean, a movie that revolved around Snake Eyes didn’t really leave an impact in the box office, so… Because the final few G.I. Joe fans thought it looked like a shit movie that had little to do with the source material. That's like blaming the character of Jem because they made a shitty movie of her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 8:24:03 GMT -5
Right. G.I. Joe is practically on its death bed and you think the solution is not featuring its most popular character? Ask someone at Marvel about sales on X-Men comics that proudly don't feature Wolverine, or someone at DC about Justice League comics without Batman in them. If X-Men and Justice League were on their death beds maybe they shouldn't be featuring Wolverine and Batman. They have literally taken Wolverine out of X-Men and Batman out of Justice League and it sales either decrease or at the very least, don't increase.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 20, 2021 8:25:24 GMT -5
If X-Men and Justice League were on their death beds maybe they shouldn't be featuring Wolverine and Batman. They have literally taken Wolverine out of X-Men and Batman out of Justice League and it sales either decrease or at the very least, don't increase. And neither franchise have been on their death bed after featuring them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 8:29:55 GMT -5
They have literally taken Wolverine out of X-Men and Batman out of Justice League and it sales either decrease or at the very least, don't increase. Neither franchise have been on their death bed after featuring those two characters for years. No, but we aren't at all talking about the current state of those franchises. We are talking about what has happened in the past 20 years when franchises drop their top character. At this point it feels like you're just disagreeing with me for the sake of it. If you don't like Snake Eyes that's fine,I personally don't give a shit which G.I. Joe characters you like. I'm just saying taking one of the few things from the franchise that helps keep it on life support is not the solution to making it successful again.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 20, 2021 8:33:33 GMT -5
GI Joe being on its death bed is kind of a stance I have trouble agreeing with given the wildly popular figure line right now. If anything, it'd been a victim of its success, with people having extreme difficulty getting the Target exclusives.
That said, it is a franchise that has had a lot of issues with finding its place. Like, it seems to try to leave one foot in targeting youth and another in embracing a more serious aesthetic, with the problem being that I think it often leaves it in a place of not knowing what it wants to be or who it wants to be fore. Doesn't help that Renegades was short-lived, given they at least were trying to do something new.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 20, 2021 9:07:17 GMT -5
Neither franchise have been on their death bed after featuring those two characters for years. No, but we aren't at all talking about the current state of those franchises. We are talking about what has happened in the past 20 years when franchises drop their top character. At this point it feels like you're just disagreeing with me for the sake of it. If you don't like Snake Eyes that's fine,I personally don't give a shit which G.I. Joe characters you like. I'm just saying taking one of the few things from the franchise that helps keep it on life support is not the solution to making it successful again. You're the one who made the comparison in the first place. If you don't feel it's apt then why are you blaming me for pointing out the holes in it? My point is if the franchise has been spotlighting this character for all these years and it's supposedly left them on their death bed, maybe they should try spotlighting other characters? At this point Snake Eyes has become GI Joe's version of Hal Jordan. He might be popular with the hardcore fans but he doesn't click with the greater potential audience outside the comic book crowd who associate the role with John Stewart or Kyle Rayner. The average person on the street just does not associate GI Joe with ninjas and sword fights and Asian mysticism, it's not how they remember the franchise from their childhood. Instead of constantly telling them they're wrong and trying to change how they see the franchise, let's instead work with them and give them what they want and expect - colorful characters in a mildly sci-fi military story about things like devices that can control the weather.
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 20, 2021 9:19:44 GMT -5
As for Snake Eyes, this is based around the cartoon. Aside from the first miniseries and a few early episodes of the cartoon, Snake Eyes didnt make much of an impact on that show. Even the DIC cartoon only did one episode focusing on Snake Eyes.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Nov 20, 2021 10:03:45 GMT -5
I honestly don't think of Snake Eyes when I think of the animated series.
Is he like Boba Fett where his reputation was increased by his fanboys, even though he didn't do a lot in the media most people remember?
And every issue of this had better end with a Knowing Is Half The Battle segment. If they're going to embrace the cartoon, go all the way.
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Post by thechase on Nov 20, 2021 10:35:20 GMT -5
And every issue of this had better end with a Knowing Is Half The Battle segment. If they're going to embrace the cartoon, go all the way. The comic is meant to be a send up, so if there's anything like that, it really ought to be the spoof PSAs. "PORKCHOP SANDWICHES"
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Post by thechase on Feb 17, 2022 4:43:00 GMT -5
GI Joe: Saturday Morning Adventures#1
Cobra Commander is in possession of a magic lamp and summons a genie, the genie will grant him three wishes. Cobra Commander of course asks for unlimited power, but the Genie tells him he cannot grant him that, or dominion over hearts and minds of others, nor can he resurrect the dead. Cobra Commander is incensed, but Destro suggests something, and eventually the Genie agrees to enlarge several of COBRA's B.A.T battle droids, making them a 'colossal' problem for the Joes.
And James, you get your wish, there's a PSA at the end of the issue...a fanboy is upset at what's going on in the comics, so he decides he's going to troll the creators on the internet. Mainframe sabotages his computer and tells the kid that being a jerk over a difference of opinion makes them the villain of their own story. Now the kid knows, and knowing is half the battle
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Post by Schizo on Feb 17, 2022 7:42:09 GMT -5
The only question I have when I read about this was
WHO WANTS A BODY MASSAGE?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 17, 2022 9:49:45 GMT -5
Have kids been given any reason to care about GIJoe in decades? Legit question as I don't know. The action figures&comics are pretty much for adults who grew up with it yes?
None of the movies have been aimed at kids really; in fact I think they'd be pretty bored by em since they wouldn't know the characters and such.
If it's dying in any sense, it seems like that'd be why. Those of us who grew up with it are middle aged or getting there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 14:23:13 GMT -5
Just so people know, IDW has lost the license.
Even if you like it, don't get too attached.
Even Larry Hama's series continuing the 80's storyline and numbering is ending with #300.
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Post by thechase on Feb 17, 2022 14:46:48 GMT -5
Just so people know, IDW has lost the license. Even if you like it, don't get too attached. Even Larry Hama's series continuing the 80's storyline and numbering is ending with #300. This was a limited four issue series to begin with, but hopefully it inspires the next licence holder to try something similar.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 17, 2022 14:52:32 GMT -5
Have kids been given any reason to care about GIJoe in decades? Legit question as I don't know. The action figures&comics are pretty much for adults who grew up with it yes? None of the movies have been aimed at kids really; in fact I think they'd be pretty bored by em since they wouldn't know the characters and such. If it's dying in any sense, it seems like that'd be why. Those of us who grew up with it are middle aged or getting there. You could argue the same thing about most of the rebooted 80s toy/comic franchises. My Little Pony and Ninja Turtles (maybe Teen Titans Go since thats mostly based off the 80s team) are the exceptions.
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