lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 23, 2021 10:47:51 GMT -5
No one should be attacking anyone or jumping out of the stands to attack anyone, I fully stand with the performers to be left alone and in peace. Get that out of the way. What I was saying is that "Getting free shots in while other people are holding someone down" doesn't make you look like the tough guy. That's a heel beatdown move, not a "I will fight you one on one" heroic hero move. That would make seth look worse if he's attacking a guy that's being held down and can't fight back is what I meant by that. My other point was that seth has been presented as one of the top guys and beaten many people. if some random fan can just jump out of the stands and do a move to take him out, and it takes twenty other guys to get rid of the fan, why isn't the fan world champion if he's that invincible. It's like in rookie of the year, where the kid throws the ball back to home and everyone in the crowd is in awe and they sign him to the team. If the people in the stands can do that, why aren't they playing instead? Everyone's initial reaction to seeing this happen was that it was a wrestler spearing him, so it just exposes the show if someone can jump out of the stands and do it, what do they need wrestling school for then. Like circus of the stars. If anyone off the street can just jump in and do it, what's so special about it? People should not be jumping out the stands to attack anyone, I have my doubts with nyc doing anything to this guy, but my point was, in kayfabe, within the context of the show, this random fan is now better than everyone seth has beat in matches. Seth beats people in matches, random fan takes out seth, random fan must be able to beat the people seth beat in matches and it makes the whole show look worse as a result in storyline. It's like if vader is killing people on the show for years, and one day some random fan jumps out the stands and takes down vader in one move and it takes twenty guys from the back to get rid of the fan. The fan must be able to easily beat all of the people vader beat if this guy can do that to the top guy that's been beating everyone, and I would expect a vader vs fan match or something after that, or else the whole show just got exposed as "here's what happens when someone who isn't playing along and does it for real gets involved". Like how self defense classes work great when the other guy is playing along and selling the moves for you, but don't do anything when you're fighting for real. Fans should not be involving themselves in the action, etc/whatever disclaimer you want, it shouldn't have happened at all, my point/concern that I was making is that 1) seth looks ridiculous yelling "come on!" while the guy has twenty people holding him down, and getting "free shots" on someone who can't fight back doesn't make you tougher 2) it breaks kayfabe and makes everyone that seth has beaten look weaker within the context of the show. That this fan can now beat all of them too. Hi Bill Watts
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Post by markymark on Nov 23, 2021 10:59:02 GMT -5
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4zD2eXwA0zL_G?format=jpg&name=900x900) Its real to him damnit?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 23, 2021 11:01:08 GMT -5
No one should be attacking anyone or jumping out of the stands to attack anyone, I fully stand with the performers to be left alone and in peace. Get that out of the way. What I was saying is that "Getting free shots in while other people are holding someone down" doesn't make you look like the tough guy. That's a heel beatdown move, not a "I will fight you one on one" heroic hero move. That would make seth look worse if he's attacking a guy that's being held down and can't fight back is what I meant by that. My other point was that seth has been presented as one of the top guys and beaten many people. if some random fan can just jump out of the stands and do a move to take him out, and it takes twenty other guys to get rid of the fan, why isn't the fan world champion if he's that invincible. It's like in rookie of the year, where the kid throws the ball back to home and everyone in the crowd is in awe and they sign him to the team. If the people in the stands can do that, why aren't they playing instead? Everyone's initial reaction to seeing this happen was that it was a wrestler spearing him, so it just exposes the show if someone can jump out of the stands and do it, what do they need wrestling school for then. Like circus of the stars. If anyone off the street can just jump in and do it, what's so special about it? People should not be jumping out the stands to attack anyone, I have my doubts with nyc doing anything to this guy, but my point was, in kayfabe, within the context of the show, this random fan is now better than everyone seth has beat in matches. Seth beats people in matches, random fan takes out seth, random fan must be able to beat the people seth beat in matches and it makes the whole show look worse as a result in storyline. It's like if vader is killing people on the show for years, and one day some random fan jumps out the stands and takes down vader in one move and it takes twenty guys from the back to get rid of the fan. The fan must be able to easily beat all of the people vader beat if this guy can do that to the top guy that's been beating everyone, and I would expect a vader vs fan match or something after that, or else the whole show just got exposed as "here's what happens when someone who isn't playing along and does it for real gets involved". Like how self defense classes work great when the other guy is playing along and selling the moves for you, but don't do anything when you're fighting for real. Fans should not be involving themselves in the action, etc/whatever disclaimer you want, it shouldn't have happened at all, my point/concern that I was making is that 1) seth looks ridiculous yelling "come on!" while the guy has twenty people holding him down, and getting "free shots" on someone who can't fight back doesn't make you tougher 2) it breaks kayfabe and makes everyone that seth has beaten look weaker within the context of the show. That this fan can now beat all of them too. You're overanalyzing this one -- it has nothing to do with kayfabe or the show. Seth got tackled by somebody who ran at him from the side/front, Seth fell, immediately put him in a headlock and security took care of it from there. When you're not expecting it and a person of that size is running at you full force, ANYONE could get the jump for a second. Seth then immediately handled his business. Something tells me that when something like that happens, they're told to just go down and subdue the attacker from the ground. If that actually became a fight, Seth would have hurt that guy really bad. That said, Barclays security should have never let it get as far as they did.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 23, 2021 11:01:33 GMT -5
Really hoping someone found his instagram and faked that because man
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 23, 2021 11:01:47 GMT -5
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4zD2eXwA0zL_G?format=jpg&name=900x900) Its real to him damnit? Oof. This supports the mental illness/mental deficiencies theory.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 11:08:07 GMT -5
That's just sad.
Just saw this video where a fan was insulting Montez all night just saying wild shit to him and he, MVP, Cedric, Sami, they all were riding for Tez getting in the fans fan.
What an insane night last night was.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 23, 2021 11:09:24 GMT -5
There are plenty of mentally ill people who go to wrestling shows snd don’t even consider jumping the rail.
If he is, I feel for him as someone else with mental illnesses, but it’s not an excuse to put himself or others in danger, or to not face repercussions for what he did.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 23, 2021 11:17:42 GMT -5
Of note, it seems like Barclays needs to do a better job of guarding the particular section where Seth's attacker came from as it was the same general area as where Bret's attacker jumped the rail. Jesus.
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Post by eJm on Nov 23, 2021 11:18:56 GMT -5
Of note, it seems like Barclays needs to do a better job of guarding the particular section where Seth's attacker came from as it was the same general area as where Bret's attacker jumped the rail. Jesus. Like, it's bad enough it's happened twice in the past two years but twice in the same area? How does that happen?
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 23, 2021 11:20:31 GMT -5
Of note, it seems like Barclays needs to do a better job of guarding the particular section where Seth's attacker came from as it was the same general area as where Bret's attacker jumped the rail. Jesus. Like, it's bad enough it's happened twice in the past two years but twice in the same area? How does that happen? Might be a manpower shortage or where that area is, the pyro is kept
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Post by eJm on Nov 23, 2021 11:21:54 GMT -5
Like, it's bad enough it's happened twice in the past two years but twice in the same area? How does that happen? Might be a manpower shortage or where that area is, the pyro is kept I mean, sure, but you'd still want someone in that vicinity, right? Because you simply just never know.
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 23, 2021 11:33:53 GMT -5
Might be a manpower shortage or where that area is, the pyro is kept I mean, sure, but you'd still want someone in that vicinity, right? Because you simply just never know. I work security and yeah there should be someone covering that area. I dont know how they missed that. Might also have been a guard using their phone and being distracted as well
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 23, 2021 11:50:52 GMT -5
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4zD2eXwA0zL_G?format=jpg&name=900x900) Its real to him damnit? I take this to mean he did it for da Rock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 12:12:36 GMT -5
On a lighter note...
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 23, 2021 12:21:28 GMT -5
Someone on Reddit posted a video of how Jacob Fatu responded when a fan got in his face.
He wasn't as polite about it as Seth.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 23, 2021 12:33:37 GMT -5
I'm glad Seth is alright and there are some weird-ass takes in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 12:42:39 GMT -5
I hate this idea that because a wrestler doesn't beat the crap out of a fan they aren't tough. I work security at the biggest hospital in my province. The emergency room here is full of nurses who are scrappy and will mess up your life if you swing on them. We host Department of Defense paramedics a bunch of the time, they've seen some trouble already. But when patients act stupid, they still call me. Because that's MY job. Do they need me every time? Probably not. A few of them could take care of that person no problem. But that isn't their job. It's my job.
Also, coverage in that section of Barkleys is gross. You've got one guy who can only face one direction at a time responsible for way too big a problem area. Also, WAY too little manpower. It should never be one to one. If a guy runs in he should be running into odds that don't favor him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 23, 2021 12:56:58 GMT -5
Of note, it seems like Barclays needs to do a better job of guarding the particular section where Seth's attacker came from as it was the same general area as where Bret's attacker jumped the rail. Jesus. Like, it's bad enough it's happened twice in the past two years but twice in the same area? How does that happen? When I talked to someone about it who lives around that area, I was told the problem was they are hiring young people to be security guards who barely pass the minimum qualifications as far as years on the job and all the training needed to be done
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Post by eJm on Nov 23, 2021 12:58:46 GMT -5
Like, it's bad enough it's happened twice in the past two years but twice in the same area? How does that happen? When I talked to someone about it who lives around that area, I was told the problem was they are hiring young people to be security guards who barely pass the minimum qualifications as far as years on the job and all the training needed to be done …what?! And those are the people trying to potentially keep people like Durant, Harden and others safe on a consistent basis?! That’s insanity.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 23, 2021 12:59:01 GMT -5
They're gonna be talking about this on Good Morning America. They talked about it for a few minutes, had a reporter outside of Barclays and they mentioned the Bret Hart Hall of Fame attack. This is getting mainstream press, not a good look for Barclays and it's security. Yeah, full credit to Seth for showing restraint because he could have thrown shots or kicked the guy or whatever while he was being restrained and didn’t. Plus as others have mentioned, guy could be messed up, sick, etc, etc. in this day and age, what Seth did was pretty much ideal. The Chavo thing or even Lance Storms tweet or even MVP’s thing..it all screams of that old school wrestling insecurity. No time for that. It’s fake. Guy could have had a weapon. This is real life. Full disclosure: I still heavily dislike Seth for being married to Becky. I don't think what MVP said was bad. All he said was that if the refs hadn't gotten there, Seth would have choked the guy out. That's not bad, he's warning his followers to not jump the rail, because they will get their asses beat. Yeah that is different from the take Chavo had. MVP is saying don’t try it and he was defending Seth as well from what Chavo said
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