Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 23, 2021 7:00:08 GMT -5
I also think WWE needs to consider training their talent in shoot wrestling tactics like sprawling at the PC to help defend themselves in situations like this.
Like they do at the dojos in Japan. This would not have happened the way it did had someone tried to attack Nakamura or Kushida.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 23, 2021 7:04:54 GMT -5
Violation of arts and cultural affairs? Vince paid the NYPD to give him that charge and you can't convince me otherwise, even with facts and logic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 7:18:02 GMT -5
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Post by mistery on Nov 23, 2021 7:18:27 GMT -5
I also think WWE needs to consider training their talent in shoot wrestling tactics like sprawling at the PC to help defend themselves in situations like this. Like they do at the dojos in Japan. This would not have happened the way it did had someone tried to attack Nakamura or Kushida. It could still 100% happen. And while I obviously cannot speak on behalf of the men, the women do get self defense courses taught at the PC. Eve Torres and Rener Gracie both fly out to the PC once or twice a year to teach them self defense. And I know of a few who are actively taking self defense courses outside of working hours as well.
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pinja
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Post by pinja on Nov 23, 2021 7:23:26 GMT -5
I also think WWE needs to consider training their talent in shoot wrestling tactics like sprawling at the PC to help defend themselves in situations like this. Like they do at the dojos in Japan. This would not have happened the way it did had someone tried to attack Nakamura or Kushida. Yeah, I doubt with the momentum of the guy and the surprise factor that sprawling would have been an option. Seth put a front facelock on him, so I assume he would have completed his base defense if possible. His hips were already behind his feet when he was touched.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 23, 2021 8:01:56 GMT -5
They're gonna be talking about this on Good Morning America.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 23, 2021 8:24:15 GMT -5
I totally get the urge to think this guy should've gotten his ass kicked. I do. But here's my thought when this happens. Do whatever it takes to subdue the guy and protect the performer. But once you do, there's no need for anything else. 99.99% of folks know this is incredibly stupid. It's always very possible that someone jumping the rail either has a mental illness or is mentally disabled. We don't need to kick the shit out of them if it can be avoided. And it's not like doing that will disincentivize this in the future. Anyone who's rational will know this is a bad idea. Beating someone up won't affect those who already want to do this. Just focus on protecting the performer and getting the attacker to the proper authorities. Seth is entitled to not be physically attacked, no matter who it's by. I'm shocked by some of the defenses I've seen for this guy, who made the decision to physically attack someone else from behind. That's the fact. If Seth's instinct was to physically fight back against an attacker I don't think anybody on earth would hold it against him. Totally. My point is once the guy is physically restrained and no longer a threat, beating him up is unnecessary, especially given the fact that the guy doing it might be unwell.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 23, 2021 8:53:21 GMT -5
I really do get people being unwell but my well-being as performer is more important than me worrying about if they are mentally well or not
If it is not for WWE and the rules in NY in general being sketchy, Seth and anyone who may have gotten attacked should f** anyone up who steps in their face
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 23, 2021 8:59:56 GMT -5
A few thoughts on this one:
1. If the dude was unwell or mentally disabled and Seth picked up on it, good on him for respectfully restraining him 2. If this was a situation where the guy was perfectly capable and just drunk/trying to get one over on Seth, that's when I don't mind security getting in a few extra shots on the way out
The challenge is that it's hard to know for sure when which situation is which, so Seth and company did the right thing.
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bob
Salacious Crumb
The "other" Bob. FOC COURSE!
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Post by bob on Nov 23, 2021 9:04:56 GMT -5
hope this idiot rots in jail for a bit and is barred from all WWE events in the future
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Fade
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Post by Fade on Nov 23, 2021 9:15:44 GMT -5
Honestly, full credit to Seth for showing restraint. I imagine the urge to throw a punch is extremely strong. You tried this shit back in the WCW days especially if someone like Savage, Nash or Steiner was in the ring at the time, they did not hold back. As far as I'm concerned, if you are stupid enough to do this kind of thing, anything that happens to you is perfectly fair. Also shut up Chavo. Yeah, full credit to Seth for showing restraint because he could have thrown shots or kicked the guy or whatever while he was being restrained and didn’t. Plus as others have mentioned, guy could be messed up, sick, etc, etc. in this day and age, what Seth did was pretty much ideal. The Chavo thing or even Lance Storms tweet or even MVP’s thing..it all screams of that old school wrestling insecurity. No time for that. It’s fake. Guy could have had a weapon. This is real life. Full disclosure: I still heavily dislike Seth for being married to Becky.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 23, 2021 9:28:53 GMT -5
1. If Seth feels like he needs to kick his ass, let him kick his ass. If he doesn't, then fine.
2. Once the guy is restrained by 20 men, they don't need to take him backstage to have him beaten up by wrestlers/security. What the hell does that do exactly?
3. I don't care how bad the product is booked, don't rush the wrestlers. Fans attacked the wrestlers during the height of the Monday Night Wars, and the product was great.
4. Why are we assuming this person was mentally ill and not some drunk asshole?
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 23, 2021 9:31:20 GMT -5
Someone said they didn't miss signs. Well fan run-ins are something I don't miss either.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 23, 2021 9:31:32 GMT -5
1. If Seth feels like he needs to kick his ass, let him kick his ass. If he doesn't, then fine. 2. Once the guy is restrained by 20 men, they don't need to take him backstage to have him beaten up by wrestlers/security. What the hell does that do exactly? 3. I don't care how bad the product is booked, don't rush the wrestlers. Fans attacked the wrestlers during the height of the Monday Night Wars, and the product was great. 4. Why are we assuming this person was mentally ill and not some drunk asshole? There are some angles of the guy being taken out of the arena where it looks like he may be mentally disabled. If he was, the dude's escort for the night failed. It's hard to know until we get more details, though.
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Post by cornettesracket on Nov 23, 2021 9:32:52 GMT -5
I’ve not seen whether there are any mitigating circumstances around this incident such as mental illness, but if there isn’t then he should be charged to whatever extent he can be. This isn’t funny anymore and with the bret hart incident at the HOF, the utterly terrifying incident in Sonya Deville’s home, and that idiot on that AEW show, and while two of those three examples were in public and one in a private home, I have little sympathy for all three people involved. I’m of the opinion that wrestlers shouldn’t go into the crowd and neither should fans come over the barrier and into the ring. You’re not a hero amongst the IWC, you’re an idiot who in legal trouble. Congratulations.
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Post by madness50 on Nov 23, 2021 9:38:17 GMT -5
Seeing this whole thing unfold, it just reassures me that some people should have just stayed in quarantine permanently. A lot of very dumb fan behavior has been taking place not only at wrestling shows, but also at sporting events as well recently.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 23, 2021 9:39:05 GMT -5
That guy's plumber's crack makes me think he is also a world class athlete.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 23, 2021 9:48:26 GMT -5
No one should be attacking anyone or jumping out of the stands to attack anyone, I fully stand with the performers to be left alone and in peace. Get that out of the way. What I was saying is that "Getting free shots in while other people are holding someone down" doesn't make you look like the tough guy. That's a heel beatdown move, not a "I will fight you one on one" heroic hero move. That would make seth look worse if he's attacking a guy that's being held down and can't fight back is what I meant by that. My other point was that seth has been presented as one of the top guys and beaten many people. if some random fan can just jump out of the stands and do a move to take him out, and it takes twenty other guys to get rid of the fan, why isn't the fan world champion if he's that invincible. It's like in rookie of the year, where the kid throws the ball back to home and everyone in the crowd is in awe and they sign him to the team. If the people in the stands can do that, why aren't they playing instead? Everyone's initial reaction to seeing this happen was that it was a wrestler spearing him, so it just exposes the show if someone can jump out of the stands and do it, what do they need wrestling school for then. Like circus of the stars. If anyone off the street can just jump in and do it, what's so special about it? People should not be jumping out the stands to attack anyone, I have my doubts with nyc doing anything to this guy, but my point was, in kayfabe, within the context of the show, this random fan is now better than everyone seth has beat in matches. Seth beats people in matches, random fan takes out seth, random fan must be able to beat the people seth beat in matches and it makes the whole show look worse as a result in storyline. It's like if vader is killing people on the show for years, and one day some random fan jumps out the stands and takes down vader in one move and it takes twenty guys from the back to get rid of the fan. The fan must be able to easily beat all of the people vader beat if this guy can do that to the top guy that's been beating everyone, and I would expect a vader vs fan match or something after that, or else the whole show just got exposed as "here's what happens when someone who isn't playing along and does it for real gets involved". Like how self defense classes work great when the other guy is playing along and selling the moves for you, but don't do anything when you're fighting for real. Fans should not be involving themselves in the action, etc/whatever disclaimer you want, it shouldn't have happened at all, my point/concern that I was making is that 1) seth looks ridiculous yelling "come on!" while the guy has twenty people holding him down, and getting "free shots" on someone who can't fight back doesn't make you tougher 2) it breaks kayfabe and makes everyone that seth has beaten look weaker within the context of the show. That this fan can now beat all of them too. ... Wrestling is Fake [/AbridgedVegeta]
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Post by SirLucas on Nov 23, 2021 10:18:38 GMT -5
I've been to the Barclays arena several times. It's a good thing they make fans go through metal detectors before entering the building.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 23, 2021 10:36:37 GMT -5
They're gonna be talking about this on Good Morning America. They talked about it for a few minutes, had a reporter outside of Barclays and they mentioned the Bret Hart Hall of Fame attack. This is getting mainstream press, not a good look for Barclays and it's security. Honestly, full credit to Seth for showing restraint. I imagine the urge to throw a punch is extremely strong. You tried this shit back in the WCW days especially if someone like Savage, Nash or Steiner was in the ring at the time, they did not hold back. As far as I'm concerned, if you are stupid enough to do this kind of thing, anything that happens to you is perfectly fair. Also shut up Chavo. Yeah, full credit to Seth for showing restraint because he could have thrown shots or kicked the guy or whatever while he was being restrained and didn’t. Plus as others have mentioned, guy could be messed up, sick, etc, etc. in this day and age, what Seth did was pretty much ideal. The Chavo thing or even Lance Storms tweet or even MVP’s thing..it all screams of that old school wrestling insecurity. No time for that. It’s fake. Guy could have had a weapon. This is real life. Full disclosure: I still heavily dislike Seth for being married to Becky. I don't think what MVP said was bad. All he said was that if the refs hadn't gotten there, Seth would have choked the guy out. That's not bad, he's warning his followers to not jump the rail, because they will get their asses beat.
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