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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 19, 2022 12:05:08 GMT -5
I totally see what Vince sees in him and why he thinks he's the next John Cena. Cena was a young former bodybuilder who had loads of charisma with minimal ring experience and just needed the right character to truly break out. But Vince almost cut Cena, because he didn't think he would find that character even tho he saw the potential. Then Cena finds that character and makes Vince a shit ton of money.
So now, he sees the same potential in Theory who is a young former bodybuilder with a lot of charisma who just needs to find the right character. So now he's doing the opposite of what he did with Cena. He's pushing his chips in with him and pushing him and bringing him along slowly and letting him discover that character over time. It's the right decision and the smart one. He's going to find that character, he just needs time. But he literally has everything you could want in a future WWE Champion/Face of the company. Just up to him to find that right character to get there.
Should they have built Finn up a little better? Probably but you definitely sacrifice the 40-year-old guy for the 24-year-old who could be your next big star for 10 years.
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 19, 2022 12:27:26 GMT -5
I have a theory that this Austin guy is going to be a big deal, fairly quickly.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 19, 2022 13:06:33 GMT -5
Vince may see him as a future Cena but he's clearly way more of a Randy Orton, potential wise. Their early paths are similar too. Both had goofy comedy stuff going on (RNN updates/The Way) which they were stripped off before being paired with a big name (Evolution/Vince), both were tested out in a main event EC match early on and were destroyed by the big guy in the match (Goldberg/Lesnar), both got to work with legends at their first Wrestlemania (Rock/Austin) and both won their first midcard title from underutilized babyfaces (RVD/Balor).
The next part is the important part which will determine whether he has anything like the success of Orton or if he fails and has to go and re-invent himself like previous choses ones Drew McIntyre/Bobby Lashley/Elijah Burke had to. Orton was just a generic dude at the beginning of Evolution and before he started leaning into the legend killer thing. Go watch any of his singles matches from around summer 2003 and he wasn't over at all by himself. Once he got into the Foley feud and won the IC title he started getting over though. Theory will need something like that to push him to the next level. WWE today isn't going to let him bleed buckets, wrap someone in barbed wire and throw him into thumbtacks though so he'll have to find his own path.
If Cena is going to be available for Summerslam/Wrestlemania I think there's a good opportunity for a feud there. Theory is Vince's new chosen one and in fans eyes Cena was Vince's chosen one for years. Cena can point out yeah, I was the guy but I didn't kiss Vince's ass to get there and you don't have to either and it can end with a hard fought match, a handshake and hopefully a big pop for Theory decking Vince and going out on his own.
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Post by Jayson Tatum Paxley on Apr 19, 2022 13:32:15 GMT -5
![](https://i.imgur.com/WHNaudJ.png) This dude's so overpushed now they're making him The Fiend
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 13:49:53 GMT -5
![](https://i.imgur.com/WHNaudJ.png) This dude's so overpushed now they're making him The Fiend More teeth than Brock Lesnar confirmed. Theory is gonna beat Lesnar confirmed.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 19, 2022 15:18:13 GMT -5
Lol, people bitch for months, for years even, that WWE wont make new stars and rely on nostalgia or old men past their prime. WWE tries to make a new star, people bitch it's the wrong guy and the guy he beat, who is 40, is buried and must leave before his career, a career which includes being a tag run away from being a grand slam champion, is ruined. Love it. This is always such a weak attempt at a gotcha. Just because people say they want new stars doesn't logically follow that they must be okay with any new stars or have no discernment in the kind of content they want. It was a dumb argument when people said it about Jinder Mahal and it's a dumb argument saying it about Theory.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 19, 2022 15:20:00 GMT -5
For real, this dude SUCKS. I know WWE gets a hair up their ass about some random buns dude every couple years or so but this dude gotta be up there in terms of being terrible. Literally a CAW when you haven’t unlocked any moves or gear yet. Theory needs...so much work. Beating Balor did nothing for him, and that little in-ring celebration did even less. If anything, it's probably garnered him go home/switch the channel heat, not to mention the stink of being one of McMahon's "chosen." Sure he's young, but a long stretch of being treated above his grade will wear him out in people's minds very, _very_ quickly. He doesn't have the name value Orton had, and I don't see the intangible "It" factor that would make him the next Cena. And now he's US Champion on a roster utterly devoid of babyfaces not otherwise engaged. And he'll moulder away until Ezekiel or a newly-single Riddle knocks him off his perch and he goes back to feuding with...whom, exactly? Fergal Devitt will be swept up in a heartbeat by just about any promotion that can afford him; those who can't will likely push for investors to get the money together to get him. He might just tip the scales on Friday nights if Tony Khan debuts him on Rampage. Can you imagine the possibilities? Danielson? Moxley? Omega? Devitt vs Page for the title? CM PUNK, for Christ's sake. New Japan would take him back in a hot second if only to revive Bullet Club as the ass-kicking gaijin faction of its heyday - and they may even put the big title on him at least once as a "domo arigato" title reign. He's done the worldwide travel thing before and he can easily do it again if he wants, especially if it means seeing the green, green grass of home more often. To say nothing of what would become of NXT UK were he to put his name on a non-WWE-affiliated promotion in the UK or ROI. Look at Devitt's options in WWE now - none. They made him a chump in that world, but damned if their failure didn't make him even more valuable elsewhere. They're dropping Obi-Wan Kenobi for Jar-Jar Binks, imho. Been thinking today and the more I think, the more annoyed I get, lmao. It’s not like Finn is washed in terms of TV age or anything close to it. This is literally leaving a luxury car on the side of the road with 3/4 tank of gas left so you can hop into a piece of shit with the HOPE that one day you’ll be able trade in for something worthwhile. Never mind the perfectly good car you left to rot to even pursue this nonsense. But hey, maybe one day, we’ll wake up and he’ll suddenly be a good talker instead of the Matt Morgan thing where he talks clearly so people equate that to being a good promo (not at all the same thing, lmao)
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Post by eJm on Apr 19, 2022 15:42:27 GMT -5
Lol, people bitch for months, for years even, that WWE wont make new stars and rely on nostalgia or old men past their prime. WWE tries to make a new star, people bitch it's the wrong guy and the guy he beat, who is 40, is buried and must leave before his career, a career which includes being a tag run away from being a grand slam champion, is ruined. Love it. Dude, you of all people are better than this argument. Come on now
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Apr 19, 2022 15:49:52 GMT -5
So one of those implicated in #SpeakingOut is a main roster champion now.
f***ing lovely. Nice to know I have more reason to skip RAW entirely.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 19, 2022 15:51:55 GMT -5
So one of those implicated in #SpeakingOut is a main roster champion now. f***ing lovely. Nice to know I have more reason to skip RAW entirely. Two of them are, Riddle is too.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 19, 2022 15:57:31 GMT -5
So one of those implicated in #SpeakingOut is a main roster champion now. f***ing lovely. Nice to know I have more reason to skip RAW entirely. Two of them are, Riddle is too. Both accusations should be taken with a grain of salt. Riddle’s seems like a he said she said kind of thing and the girl in Theory’s situation was apparently lying. People shouldn’t have their careers stalled or names dragged through the mud unless there is proof/multiple accusations ect
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 19, 2022 16:12:39 GMT -5
I only watched the last hour of Raw so I was able to catch this. Was it ever explained why all the heels came out afterwards and lifted him on their shoulders? I actually liked it and it reminded me of something they would do back in the day like when they showed Honky Tonk Man being congratulated by all the heels in the locker room when he won the IC Title in 1987. It did come off as kind of random though in that it's something they don't really do much. I assume it was them putting over they were trying be kiss asses with Theory being Vince's guy.
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Post by Legion on Apr 19, 2022 16:14:01 GMT -5
Lol, people bitch for months, for years even, that WWE wont make new stars and rely on nostalgia or old men past their prime. WWE tries to make a new star, people bitch it's the wrong guy and the guy he beat, who is 40, is buried and must leave before his career, a career which includes being a tag run away from being a grand slam champion, is ruined. Love it. This is always such a weak attempt at a gotcha. Just because people say they want new stars doesn't logically follow that they must be okay with any new stars or have no discernment in the kind of content they want. It was a dumb argument when people said it about Jinder Mahal and it's a dumb argument saying it about Theory. The point is that they are trying to make a new star. Of course people may not like who they have picked, but the groaning that they are doing it at the expense of Balor, that's the bit that is grating. We cannot, as fans, have it both ways. We cannot ask for new stars, but then also want every old star protected. Someone has to fall for someone else to rise. WWE is trying here. I will always support them trying. People are absolutely free to criticise, but some people criticise eveything. If Theory had lost, we'd have a thread moaning that his push is dead and WWE have given up and blah.
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 19, 2022 16:18:10 GMT -5
You were wrong because Austin Theory isn't a champion but Theory is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 16:25:47 GMT -5
I only watched the last hour of Raw so I was able to catch this. Was it ever explained why all the heels came out afterwards and lifted him on their shoulders? I actually liked it and it reminded me of something they would do back in the day like when they showed Honky Tonk Man being congratulated by all the heels in the locker room when he won the IC Title in 1987. It did come off as kind of random though in that it's something they don't really do much. I assume it was them putting over they were trying be kiss asses with Theory being Vince's guy. I thought for a second Vince was going to give Theory a thumbs down from the top of the stage and the heels were going to beat him up, leading to a face turn for Theory.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 19, 2022 16:26:56 GMT -5
If Theory had lost, we'd have a thread moaning that his push is dead and WWE have given up and blah. It's almost like people aren't a monolith and on a discussion board there are going to be varying viewpoints? Also I can't really claim to at all care about Finn Balor. I dislike Theory independently of that.
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 19, 2022 16:34:25 GMT -5
I personally have never seen anything special in Balor. His best quality was his face paint but he wrestled exactly the same as the ‘Demon Balor’ so the gimmick didn’t click with me (much less crawling around in a Rasta wig). His matches were pretty much all the same to me and he never connected with any promo or character work.
I think he’s a good hand who has a good gig as a midcarder but his boat has sailed as far as a ‘mega-push’ — and IMO that’s probably the right call.
I do see something in Theory but he’s a long way from a finished product. If I had to bet on either horse in the race, I’d have put my money on Theory having a future more than Balor at this point so I don’t disagree with the call. Balor putting over younger rising talent is about where he should be.
Now tag him up with AJ and you can get some more mileage out of him.
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Post by government mule on Apr 19, 2022 16:36:18 GMT -5
Eh, dude's alright. I quite liked his doofus act in NXT, and I believe there's something there, may just need a bit of refining.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 19, 2022 16:37:12 GMT -5
I personally have never seen anything special in Balor. His best quality was his face paint but he wrestled exactly the same as the ‘Demon Balor’ so the gimmick didn’t click with me (much less crawling around in a Rasta wig). His matches were pretty much all the same to me and he never connected with any promo or character work. I think he’s a good hand who has a good gig as a midcarder but his boat has sailed as far as a ‘mega-push’ — and IMO that’s probably the right call. I do see something in Theory but he’s a long way from a finished product. If I had to bet on either horse in the race, I’d have put my money on Theory having a future more than Balor at this point so I don’t disagree with the call. Balor putting over younger rising talent is about where he should be. Now tag him up with AJ and you can get some more mileage out of him. A Balor/AJ tag team vs Priest/Edge feud does sound pretty damn fun.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 19, 2022 16:39:28 GMT -5
This is always such a weak attempt at a gotcha. Just because people say they want new stars doesn't logically follow that they must be okay with any new stars or have no discernment in the kind of content they want. It was a dumb argument when people said it about Jinder Mahal and it's a dumb argument saying it about Theory. The point is that they are trying to make a new star. Of course people may not like who they have picked, but the groaning that they are doing it at the expense of Balor, that's the bit that is grating. We cannot, as fans, have it both ways. We cannot ask for new stars, but then also want every old star protected. Someone has to fall for someone else to rise. WWE is trying here. I will always support them trying. People are absolutely free to criticise, but some people criticise eveything. If Theory had lost, we'd have a thread moaning that his push is dead and WWE have given up and blah. Yeah Balor at this point should be putting people over and the US title is exactly what Theory needs right now. I would understand people getting mad if they immediately strapped the world title on him, but a midcard title is literally just a test reign lol
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