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Post by Edge of Insanity on Dec 9, 2021 16:49:36 GMT -5
Who should I believe, WWE's PR or Jeff's family? Hmmm. Here we go. Jeff has a history of lying about his problems. He no showed TNA events claiming that there was a snake outside his house that stopped him from leaving but turns out he was just staying home and doing meth. Um, never heard that one before , but I am not doubting it's truth or you. Did tna buy the excuse??
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Post by Facetious on Dec 9, 2021 16:51:17 GMT -5
Here we go. Jeff has a history of lying about his problems. He no showed TNA events claiming that there was a snake outside his house that stopped him from leaving but turns out he was just staying home and doing meth. Um, never heard that one before , but I am not doubting it's truth or you. Did tna buy the excuse?? It's the same promotion who let him go out into the ring absolutely f***ed out of his mind. Ignoring the fan reaction, if it wasn't Sting with him, it could have gone a lot worse.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 9, 2021 17:02:13 GMT -5
I'll say this about it, Jeff Hardy gonna do what Jeff Hardy do. He likely doesn't think he needs rehab because he views himself as a recreational drug user. But his pattern is pretty obvious at this point.
He manages to keep his use under control enough for periods of years that no one really notices then he shows up f***ed up. It's not uncommon for addicts to relapse either but I don't think he views himself that way. I think he views himself as an artist that uses drugs for his vision to come through.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 9, 2021 17:11:24 GMT -5
Um, never heard that one before , but I am not doubting it's truth or you. Did tna buy the excuse?? It's the same promotion who let him go out into the ring absolutely f***ed out of his mind. Ignoring the fan reaction, if it wasn't Sting with him, it could have gone a lot worse. WWE have done the same thing here, have they not?
Worse still because reports indicate Jeff was in the ring for several minutes before he left through the crowd.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 9, 2021 17:15:05 GMT -5
Has Beth not been complicit in covering Jeff's behavior up for as long as they've been married?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 9, 2021 17:23:55 GMT -5
It's the same promotion who let him go out into the ring absolutely f***ed out of his mind. Ignoring the fan reaction, if it wasn't Sting with him, it could have gone a lot worse. WWE have done the same thing here, have they not? Worse still because reports indicate Jeff was in the ring for several minutes before he left through the crowd.
At this point he is probably an expert at disguising his drug use as being tired.or just goofy/spacy behavior. Or maybe they just kicked in after he was in the ring. Or maybe he did get his bell rung a bit and it made the effects of the drugs no longer something he could hide.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2021 17:24:40 GMT -5
WWE's shitty reputation for how they treat their talent has created a "Boy Cried Wolf" situation for some. Like, I can't exactly blame people for not buying their narrative. Especially considering the way they've released talent or claimed released wrestlers who would be attractive free agents were suddenly "problem children."
However, Jeff Hardy's history speaks for itself. And an addict's first instinct is to lie about their addiction. Beth also has a history of covering, if not outright enabling her husband's addictions, sadly.
Point is, if this was a typical bullshit WWE release, we would've gotten the same ol' "budget cut" line. I don't think this is it.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 9, 2021 17:34:55 GMT -5
Just a thought; Jeff might have fallen off the wagon once and thinks it's just he fell of the wagon once, but the fact that it got caught on tape and in front of an audience forced the WWE's hand. Or that could be what Jeff and Beth are thinking and why they think he's fine.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 9, 2021 17:42:41 GMT -5
This one hurts man. As a fan, he was so beloved. As a man, it's so sad these demons keep coming back. I really hope Jeff takes care of himself. Maybe retiring from the business is the best thing for him. Become a dad. His kids are getting older, they need their dad. Come back for the Hall of Fame in 2023 or something and call it a day.
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 9, 2021 17:57:55 GMT -5
This one hurts man. As a fan, he was so beloved. As a man, it's so sad these demons keep coming back. I really hope Jeff takes care of himself. Maybe retiring from the business is the best thing for him. Become a dad. His kids are getting older, they need their dad. Come back for the Hall of Fame in 2023 or something and call it a day. I once waited in line to meet him, Matt and Terri in early 2000. Watching the brothers in late 1999, early 2000 was so special to me. I cringed at some other thier moves but they did it for the love of wrestling. I just wish that someone could take Jeff to their home and help him like Jake and Razor but Jeff I think is far from the point he wants or feels the need for that help. When I first read the tweet on facebook and it said "sad news to report" the heart did drop as I thought he had passed.
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Post by BitterAF on Dec 9, 2021 17:59:25 GMT -5
Those addicted are the first to tell you they're fine and the last to know they have a problem.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2021 18:09:41 GMT -5
It’s kinda crazy people so quick to jump on WWE on this
They let him leave at the height of his popularity because of the drugs. It’s sad but as I said before addiction will always be on Jeff sadly but this isn’t a budget cut
This don’t seem like a situation like Victory Road
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 18:10:40 GMT -5
As someone who's dealt with addicts both professionally and personally, Jeff won't change until he hits a real rock bottom. I don't mean getting fired, either.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 9, 2021 18:18:39 GMT -5
This is also the first Christmas without his father who he was very close to so I imagine that can be difficult. And I saw Sean Waltman mention that his best treatment was outside of rehab. It's often the best option but part of me also likes to think him refusing rehab isn't necessarily him denying that he needs help.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 9, 2021 18:18:57 GMT -5
As someone who's dealt with addicts both professionally and personally, Jeff won't change until he hits a real rock bottom. I don't mean getting fired, either. Scary thing is he has kids now. Hitting rock bottom with kids is a lot scarier prospect. I had an aunt who had drug problems and her rock bottom was passing out while my uncle was at work and their 3 year old leaving the house and ending up walking up an interstate on ramp.
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Post by edgestar on Dec 9, 2021 18:19:18 GMT -5
I just want him to be well. If being away from wrestling means he gets longer time with his family, please have that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 18:29:58 GMT -5
This is also the first Christmas without his father who he was very close to so I imagine that can be difficult. And I saw Sean Waltman mention that his best treatment was outside of rehab. It's often the best option but part of me also likes to think him refusing rehab isn't necessarily him denying that he needs help. Yeah, rehab is a tool (albeit usually the most effective one), but not the fix. I do think that Jeff is in a bad place and I think turning down rehab is definitely a bad look, but I think he needs his mental health issues addressed first, then the addiction.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 9, 2021 18:58:23 GMT -5
And I recall Matt alluding to it before, he can only do so much Reminds me of a shoot Kevin Nash did years ago when he was asked about Scott Hall and Nash said that he tried to help Scott out as much as possible but eventually Kevin has to get sleep. And ... ya someone cannot come clean if they're being babysat 24/7 And Matt's own addiction problems are very well known at this point. Probably the last thing he needs, much as I'm sure he wants to, is to put himself in a position where he could be tempted to relapse himself.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 9, 2021 19:09:37 GMT -5
Mini-rant: F the WWE for putting Hardy in storylines with Joe and Sheamus over DUI's and Alcohol.
That is all. Tasteless shit to probably just "put Jeff in his place".
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 9, 2021 19:19:42 GMT -5
If it’s a relapse due to him needing to relieve the stress of his heavily damaged body (ring mats are so cruel to the spine take heed Darby!) then he’s done really well staying clean for so long. It’s been 10 years I think. He should be proud. As for now I just hope he reconsiders the rehab option and lives a happy retirement painting. Jeff's definitely not been clean for ten years. He had DUIs in 2018 and 2019, he was arrested for public intoxication in 2019, and after the second DUI actually requested rehab, which is to date the only time he's ever undergone rehab. Sad as it is, it's very likely that Jeff has never been truly clean since his addiction issues began, and is simply a high-functioning addict who has brief periods of sobriety.
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