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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 12, 2021 16:04:28 GMT -5
This Tuesday in Texas Bret Hart vs The Barbarian (Barbarian wasn't even at Survivor Series but they still promoted this match on the Superstars episode in-between) That's one I never knew about or at least don't remember. I always thought Skinner was the intended opponent. Was there any word on why Barbarian was replaced? He was in the Rumble a few weeks later so he hadn't yet left WWF. What's makes it even more weird is that he worked that taping. They taped a lot of stuff for Prime Time Wrestling prior to Tuesday in Texas and one of the matches was Barbarian losing to the Berzerker by count out. Why advertise the match when you aren't going to it? It did seem they really liked booking Bret against the Barbarian for some reason. In 90-91 they worked two MSG shows, the Summerslam Spectacular, and a match that was taped for the Wrestlefest 92 Coliseum Video. They also worked each other a ton on house shows as they were programmed coming out of Wrestlemania VII as Bret's first feud as a singles to build him up for Perfect. Then were going to wrestle again at Tuesday in Texas before they changed their minds for some reason and had Bret against Skinner instead. I guess maybe they realized that Bret and Barbarian had been done too many times and decided to do something else.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Dec 12, 2021 16:25:05 GMT -5
That's one I never knew about or at least don't remember. I always thought Skinner was the intended opponent. Was there any word on why Barbarian was replaced? He was in the Rumble a few weeks later so he hadn't yet left WWF. What's makes it even more weird is that he worked that taping. They taped a lot of stuff for Prime Time Wrestling prior to Tuesday in Texas and one of the matches was Barbarian losing to the Berzerker by count out. Why advertise the match when you aren't going to it? It did seem they really liked booking Bret against the Barbarian for some reason. In 90-91 they worked two MSG shows, the Summerslam Spectacular, and a match that was taped for the Wrestlefest 92 Coliseum Video. They also worked each other a ton on house shows as they were programmed coming out of Wrestlemania VII as Bret's first feud as a singles to build him up for Perfect. Then were going to wrestle again at Tuesday in Texas before they changed their minds for some reason and had Bret against Skinner instead. I guess maybe they realized that Bret and Barbarian had been done too many times and decided to do something else. The most mind blowing part of that whole thing is that Barbarian wrestled Berzerker that night. A heel vs heel match in 91 WWF?! Bret vs barbarian is a feud that made sense at the time. Bret was viewed as a smaller guy so Vince probably thought Bret needed wins against much larger opponents to show that Bret could hang in the land of giants.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 12, 2021 16:25:32 GMT -5
This Tuesday in Texas Bret Hart vs The Barbarian (Barbarian wasn't even at Survivor Series but they still promoted this match on the Superstars episode in-between) That's one I never knew about or at least don't remember. I always thought Skinner was the intended opponent. Was there any word on why Barbarian was replaced? He was in the Rumble a few weeks later so he hadn't yet left WWF. A podcast I like did a special a few years back on Survivor Series matches that never happened, and if I recall correctly, Barbarian had left just before Survivor Series 91 due to a pay dispute, hence him being replaced on the main show itself with no explanation. They must have worked it out prior to Rumble 92. I'm currently rewatching the 1991 Superstars episodes on each of their 30th anniversaries and it's wild how during the Barbarian's match the commentary team don't put over or even mention Barbarian at all until the very, very end when they say he's facing Bret at Tuesday in Texas. It leads me to believe that they had to have known he wasn't with the company at the time (even briefly) as it's pretty surreal to hear them not even acknowledge there's a match going on for several minutes. Speaking of which, Skinner being Barbarian's substitute might have diminished his initial push. He was being hyped with vignettes and then essentially won his feud with Ricky Steamboat after The Dragon left the company before they could have a blowoff (Dragon was replasced by El Matador on the Survivor Series team) and was undefeated in singles matches going into Tuesday in Texas, only to have Bret beat him clean - including kicking out of both Skinner's finisher and being hit by his alligator claw. Match is still really good (it is '91 Bret after all) and Skinner's always been pretty underrated, but for a largely kayfabe audience it's hard to come back from a clean submission loss despite hitting a finisher and signature foreign object. EDIT: WOW, had no idea Barbarian worked that taping. Then why was he pulled from Survivor Series so abruptly? 1991 WWF is weird.
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Post by thehottag on Dec 12, 2021 16:36:53 GMT -5
Not WWE, but back in 2000 WCW had a tour here in the UK. I know a friend that went to a show in Birmingham, & on his ticket was written 'See Sting & Goldberg!' Neither wrestler was at the show. He rang the ticket office & actually got a refund.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Dec 12, 2021 16:45:42 GMT -5
That's one I never knew about or at least don't remember. I always thought Skinner was the intended opponent. Was there any word on why Barbarian was replaced? He was in the Rumble a few weeks later so he hadn't yet left WWF. A podcast I like did a special a few years back on Survivor Series matches that never happened, and if I recall correctly, Barbarian had left just before Survivor Series 91 due to a pay dispute, hence him being replaced on the main show itself with no explanation. They must have worked it out prior to Rumble 92. I'm currently rewatching the 1991 Superstars episodes on each of their 30th anniversaries and it's wild how during the Barbarian's match the commentary team don't put over or even mention Barbarian at all until the very, very end when they say he's facing Bret at Tuesday in Texas. It leads me to believe that they had to have known he wasn't with the company at the time (even briefly) as it's pretty surreal to hear them not even acknowledge there's a match going on for several minutes. Speaking of which, Skinner being Barbarian's substitute might have diminished his initial push. He was being hyped with vignettes and then essentially won his feud with Ricky Steamboat after The Dragon left the company before they could have a blowoff (Dragon was replasced by El Matador on the Survivor Series team) and was undefeated in singles matches going into Tuesday in Texas, only to have Bret beat him clean - including kicking out of both Skinner's finisher and being hit by his alligator claw. Match is still really good (it is '91 Bret after all) and Skinner's always been pretty underrated, but for a largely kayfabe audience it's hard to come back from a clean submission loss despite hitting a finisher and signature foreign object. EDIT: WOW, had no idea Barbarian worked that taping. Then why was he pulled from Survivor Series so abruptly? 1991 WWF is weird. The commentary thing is bizarre. Are you watching original airings of those episodes? I know a lot of times WWE edits out large chunks, sometimes entire matches worth of commentary on DVD, C.O.D., Network, etc versions. That Bret match really felt like the end for Skinner. Even though I was 10 years old and Skinner was a heel I thought he was pretty cool and was into the character. I was shocked when only a few months into his run he already lost by submission. I don't think Skinner ever won another match after that. He was relegated to complete jobber to the stars status the remainder of his run. I always wondered why WWF cut the character off so quickly. Especially once I found out who Skinner actually was and that he was a very accomplished in ring wrestler. Fun fact: When I was booking my WWF Hasbro figures Skinner was a very successful hired goon for Money Inc. 😂
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Post by Woo on Dec 12, 2021 17:26:06 GMT -5
Edge vs Orton on Raw when Cena and HBK went an hour.
I was there live and yeah whilst the match was great (though probably better on TV) I sat in my seat after waiting for Orton vs Edge and felt ripped off lol
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 12, 2021 18:41:49 GMT -5
Didn't they advertise a Sasha Banks match for a PPV this year until like, the literal last minute despite her having to pull out of it for reasons that still aren't entirely clear? They literal last second. They played the hype package. Out came Bianca Belair. Then they just announced no Sasha and Becky was challenging instead Never did get a reason. Maybe Sasha couldn’t be there because of her vax views or maybe it was an attempt to counter AEW with Punk. Or maybe neither of those but that’s what was speculated.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Dec 12, 2021 19:30:24 GMT -5
Survivor Series 1991: They teased the hell out of a possible fight between "Macho Man" Randy Savage and Jake "The Snake" Roberts, who were in the midst of their famous feud. Savage was "retired," and Sid Justice was being used as a proxy. He was supposed to lead a team against Roberts's team at the PPV. But, Sid got injured. So, they started teasing that Savage could get reinstated and take Sid's place. Then, at the beginning of the PPV, Jack Tunney came onscreen and said that Savage wouldn't be competing AND that Roberts was going to be taken out of the match. And, they put the now 3-on-3 match at the top of the card, which made no sense since Savage and Roberts were the only reason that match should have gone on last. AND, they announced on the PPV that Savage and Roberts would fight at This Tuesday In Texas. Between that and a rematch between Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker for the WWE Title, Survivor Series 1991 became a huge ad for This Tuesday In Texas.
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Dec 12, 2021 20:24:56 GMT -5
Mankind vs Jake the Snake Roberts was booked at the July PPV in 1996. Not sure what happened to Jake but he was replaced with Henry O Godwin.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 12, 2021 20:58:08 GMT -5
A podcast I like did a special a few years back on Survivor Series matches that never happened, and if I recall correctly, Barbarian had left just before Survivor Series 91 due to a pay dispute, hence him being replaced on the main show itself with no explanation. They must have worked it out prior to Rumble 92. I'm currently rewatching the 1991 Superstars episodes on each of their 30th anniversaries and it's wild how during the Barbarian's match the commentary team don't put over or even mention Barbarian at all until the very, very end when they say he's facing Bret at Tuesday in Texas. It leads me to believe that they had to have known he wasn't with the company at the time (even briefly) as it's pretty surreal to hear them not even acknowledge there's a match going on for several minutes. Speaking of which, Skinner being Barbarian's substitute might have diminished his initial push. He was being hyped with vignettes and then essentially won his feud with Ricky Steamboat after The Dragon left the company before they could have a blowoff (Dragon was replasced by El Matador on the Survivor Series team) and was undefeated in singles matches going into Tuesday in Texas, only to have Bret beat him clean - including kicking out of both Skinner's finisher and being hit by his alligator claw. Match is still really good (it is '91 Bret after all) and Skinner's always been pretty underrated, but for a largely kayfabe audience it's hard to come back from a clean submission loss despite hitting a finisher and signature foreign object. EDIT: WOW, had no idea Barbarian worked that taping. Then why was he pulled from Survivor Series so abruptly? 1991 WWF is weird. The commentary thing is bizarre. Are you watching original airings of those episodes? I know a lot of times WWE edits out large chunks, sometimes entire matches worth of commentary on DVD, C.O.D., Network, etc versions. That Bret match really felt like the end for Skinner. Even though I was 10 years old and Skinner was a heel I thought he was pretty cool and was into the character. I was shocked when only a few months into his run he already lost by submission. I don't think Skinner ever won another match after that. He was relegated to complete jobber to the stars status the remainder of his run. I always wondered why WWF cut the character off so quickly. Especially once I found out who Skinner actually was and that he was a very accomplished in ring wrestler. Fun fact: When I was booking my WWF Hasbro figures Skinner was a very successful hired goon for Money Inc. 😂 Yeah, I acquired a blu-ray with all the original 1991 airings and it's just Vince, Piper and Perfect carrying on with a conversation until the very, very end. Never seen anything like it. There's no dropped audio either, they talk the entire way through. I remember Bret putting over Skinner and that match in particular highly on the kayfabe Coliseum Video releases throughout '92 so maybe he was trying to be helpful? But yeah, it's such a wild career free-fall at that point.
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Post by karl100589 on Dec 13, 2021 0:51:44 GMT -5
Does this count?
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Post by ayumidah on Dec 13, 2021 1:30:16 GMT -5
Didn't they do it with Apollo too? He had COVID and they kept advertising until like right before, then said they had to switch opponents because he wasn't medically cleared. I feel like this happened a lot in COVID era.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Dec 13, 2021 8:03:48 GMT -5
Survivor Series 1991: They teased the hell out of a possible fight between "Macho Man" Randy Savage and Jake "The Snake" Roberts, who were in the midst of their famous feud. Savage was "retired," and Sid Justice was being used as a proxy. He was supposed to lead a team against Roberts's team at the PPV. But, Sid got injured. So, they started teasing that Savage could get reinstated and take Sid's place. Then, at the beginning of the PPV, Jack Tunney came onscreen and said that Savage wouldn't be competing AND that Roberts was going to be taken out of the match. And, they put the now 3-on-3 match at the top of the card, which made no sense since Savage and Roberts were the only reason that match should have gone on last. AND, they announced on the PPV that Savage and Roberts would fight at This Tuesday In Texas. Between that and a rematch between Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker for the WWE Title, Survivor Series 1991 became a huge ad for This Tuesday In Texas. That was lame and they easily could have just had the match as advertised with Macho and Roberts taking each other early on via DQ or count out (Because it's not like they ever did that before during a Survivor Series match or anything.) And then announce the one on one rematch at the end of the show. It still would have been a cheat, but at least it would have been less of one.
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Post by Sparvid on Dec 13, 2021 9:06:17 GMT -5
Edge & Chris Masters vs two Smackdown wrestlers chosen by fans on Taboo Tuesday 2005. Edge got injured well before the show, but they still advertised him (with Matt Hardy getting one of the voted on spots). At the start of the PPV Edge just announced that Snitsky would take his place in the match.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 13, 2021 9:17:34 GMT -5
Chris Benoit vs. CM Punk (ducking and leaving the country)?
Seriously though did they not say the match was changed until the actual show? Was there mention of Benoit's absence on a pre-show or before?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 13, 2021 9:19:42 GMT -5
Mankind vs Jake the Snake Roberts was booked at the July PPV in 1996. Not sure what happened to Jake but he was replaced with Henry O Godwin. If I recall, Jake was I think off the wagon again. I am trying to remember if it was that Bradshaw shared a hotel room with him and Jake got up and just pissed between their beds, or if it was that they pulled over and Jake pissed all over the side of their rental car. Either way, he wasn't in a good way, so that might be why the match got changed.
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Post by edgestar on Dec 13, 2021 9:33:08 GMT -5
I got two: 1999 Survivor Series: Austin vs. Rock vs. HHHH 2021 Summerslam: Sasha Banks vs. Bianca Belair More? Quadruple H! 😁
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 13, 2021 9:46:21 GMT -5
I think the changes for Survivor Series '89 were not mentioned until the show (ANDTHEEARTHQUAKE!) I want to say that the changes to 1988 were mentioned before as they happened.
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Post by chronocross on Dec 13, 2021 9:56:18 GMT -5
Chris Benoit vs. CM Punk (ducking and leaving the country)? Seriously though did they not say the match was changed until the actual show? Was there mention of Benoit's absence on a pre-show or before? It's been a while since I've seen the live PPV but I think Benoit was advertised until matchtime when they announced that Johnny Nitro would take his place.
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Post by eJm on Dec 13, 2021 9:59:19 GMT -5
I got two: 1999 Survivor Series: Austin vs. Rock vs. HHHH 2021 Summerslam: Sasha Banks vs. Bianca Belair More? Quadruple H! 😁 Ahh, HHH’s dad from Camp WWE who we heard Hunter do voice overs for but never appeared on the show because it got axed. I remember that guy fondly.
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