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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 17, 2021 18:01:34 GMT -5
Remember the days when Seth Rollins had it in 2017-18 and had bangers on Raw and PPV or when Balor had it.
This belt is completely trashed now, which is sad.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 17, 2021 18:07:15 GMT -5
The same way it was salvaged in that Seth Rollins run, or how Cena elevated the US title in 2015.
Title defenses happening regularly with appropriate run times and good finishes, with a plan to elevate or keep the champion strong after he drops it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 17, 2021 18:17:06 GMT -5
The same way it was salvaged in that Seth Rollins run, or how Cena elevated the US title in 2015. Title defenses happening regularly with appropriate run times and good finishes, with a plan to elevate or keep the champion strong after he drops it. Yeah, you can salvage it with effort and a plan... like just about everything in the WWE... but... that wont' happen cause they don't care. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 18:17:13 GMT -5
This is a title that can only be in it's greatest form when it's consistently defended and made out to be a big deal. Cena and his US Championship run, Seth in his, like, hell even Miz in his runs which resulted in that Ziggler ladder match. It's so easy to made this belt a big deal. Hell I'd say out of all the belts its the easiest because all you gotta do is wrestle and give it segments showing it's important. Give it to someone else or let Nakamura defend it weekly and we'll be fine. Like, again Miz made this belt look bigger than the world title at times and he's not even a great wrestler but he cut promos and had angles making it seem like a huge deal. He had great matches with great talent. It ain't hard.
Actually give it to Cesaro and have him busting dudes up weekly. Cesaro vs Drew, Cesaro vs Sheamus, Cesaro vs Nakamura, Cesaro vs the world. Let's do it.
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Post by 06vwgti on Dec 17, 2021 18:19:08 GMT -5
Needs to be defended, and Nakamura instead is doing that matche feuds with boogs which is head scratching
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Post by Fade on Dec 17, 2021 19:16:07 GMT -5
Needs to be defended, and Nakamura instead is doing that matche feuds with boogs which is head scratching Took this post to remind me who was Champ. Ehhh..you might be able to do something with it currently if Nak was heel and body’ing dudes but that’s not the case. What makes this difficult is that in reality, the IC and US titles are like third and fourth tier championships. |
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Post by thehottag on Dec 17, 2021 19:19:19 GMT -5
I wish they wouldn't job out champions in non-title matches. No matter the title, the person holding it must be seen as a somebody.
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Post by 06vwgti on Dec 17, 2021 19:26:18 GMT -5
Needs to be defended, and Nakamura instead is doing that matche feuds with boogs which is head scratching Took this post to remind me who was Champ. Ehhh..you might be able to do something with it currently if Nak was heel and body’ing dudes but that’s not the case. What makes this difficult is that in reality, the IC and US titles are like third and fourth tier championships. Not making effective use of the talent available also is at play too. Instead We get way too many Corbin vs Nakamura matches. |
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Dec 17, 2021 19:29:42 GMT -5
R-Truth spends the next 3 years defending it, and then retires champion.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 17, 2021 21:31:30 GMT -5
My serious philosophy regarding the ic title. When in doubt, Put it on Miz.
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Post by Vanilla Gorilla on Dec 17, 2021 21:32:13 GMT -5
Make it what it used to be, a stepping stone to the main event. Warrior, Savage, Hart, HBK, Diesel, Rock, HHH, Austin, Edge, Jericho, Angle, Guerrero, Benoit, Orton, RVD, Hardy, etc. all used the title as a stepping stone. It served that purpose for Big E, but now it’s nowhere again. The champion should be the next guy or the gatekeeper to the main event who puts on constant bangers. Between the number of titles and the Money in the Bank briefcase, there are just too many other ways being used to do this right now.
Also, like was stated, defend it, main event it, make people want to hold it.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 17, 2021 22:31:14 GMT -5
It’s really simple to do, put it on someone the crowd is engaged in and treat it like it’s important. It’s not rocket appliances despite what WWE tries to tell you.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Dec 17, 2021 23:03:14 GMT -5
Defend it?
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 17, 2021 23:07:19 GMT -5
We had a thread like this in the (w)rest section a little while back, so I'll basically summarize what I said there.
The problem the IC/US belts face is that there's really no purpose for their existence right now. If you're going to have secondary titles, they should serve specific purposes, and right now neither of those belts really have anything distinguishing why anybody should care about them. It pays to look at other companies and how they treat their secondary/gimmick titles to see how this should work:
-1980s WWF used the IC belt as a title that would main event B-level touring groups. The WWF champ would main on A-tier house shows, the IC champ the B-tier shows. NJPW did something similar for a time with its own IC belt, where that champ would face a wider array of challengers and have to defend the belt a bit more often than the World champ would have to, often main eventing in smaller venues.
-1980s NWA/JCP would use the US title as a #1 contenders belt, ala how Lucha Underground utilized the Gift of the Gods belt. It'd serve its purpose of allowing a new challenger to rise up to challenge the top champion, so it worked in that capacity.
-Various TV titles, from the old NWA TV title to AEW's TNT title, work because they usually have different rules, e.g. shorter time limits, only having the belts defended in specific circumstances (like on weekly TV shows), against a wider array of opponents including people from outside the company, etc.
-Weight class belts clearly differentiate themselves. Jr/Cruiser belts would work as smaller competitors would go for them (while still being allowed to challenger for a heavyweight belt), while stuff like NJPW's NEVER title would be openweight in nature and was even originally meant to be a belt that wrestlers without NJPW contracts would compete for.
-In other cases you'll see belts that are designated for another kind of specific group, like belts that are meant for people younger than 25 or something, or the aforementioned NEVER concept of being open to wrestlers not under contract with a specific company.
-Finally, you've got belts that revolve around specific gimmicks or styles of wrestling, ranging from something crazy like the Hardcore titles of the past to something like ROH's Pure Title, which focuses on matches with very specific rules and technical wrestling.
Basically, if you're going to have other singles titles that aren't main belts for a promotion/division, then you need to justify the belt's existence by giving it a real purpose and guiding principles that shape how the belt is used.
With the IC and US belts in WWE right now, you can't really do the "main events B-level house shows" things since those are being phased out, but you absolutely could book those belts as de facto #1 contender belts or as quasi-TV titles that get defended regularly on Raw and SD while the world titles are defended less frequently. You could even make them "25 and under" belts, but I get not doing that as that's pretty limiting given the large roster WWE's got.
Right now, though, there really is no purpose to the belts and they just seem to generally, well, exist. It's fine to make them "midcard belts" or whatever else, but make it clear why someone would actually want to win them, or how having those belts is distinct from holding a world title or whatever.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 17, 2021 23:20:07 GMT -5
A mega-run on Commander Azzeez.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 17, 2021 23:40:41 GMT -5
My serious philosophy regarding the ic title. When in doubt, Put it on Miz. He would tie Jericho for most wins and He only needs a month with it to take the record for combined number of days. How the hell is he not on the same brand as his baby? |
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Post by welshpenguin on Dec 18, 2021 13:27:23 GMT -5
A mega-run on Commander Azzeez. best of 7 with him & Shanky, winner is IC champ 😀 |
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Post by bob on Dec 18, 2021 13:38:11 GMT -5
having it defended every once in a while is a starting point
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 18, 2021 13:38:24 GMT -5
My serious philosophy regarding the ic title. When in doubt, Put it on Miz. He's had some really good ones but I kinda disagree... but a LOT of Miz's reigns he just kinda held the belt and didn't do anything with it. |
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Post by Main Event Mark on Dec 18, 2021 19:41:55 GMT -5
My vote is to put it on Sheamus next.
An IC title scene of Sheamus, Nakamura, Cesaro, Zayn, Ricochet, Ali could be great. Add Gulak, if they ever let him do anything credible again, Hell, get Elias in there too.
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