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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 20, 2021 23:00:58 GMT -5
She should probably stop doing that.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 20, 2021 23:04:45 GMT -5
Segment of the night.
"I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU."
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 20, 2021 23:05:46 GMT -5
Segment of the night. "I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU. I BROUGHT THIS FOR YOU." You might break my arm but at Day 1 I will break your face. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 23:07:00 GMT -5
Just a shitty segment all around.
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Post by Fade on Dec 20, 2021 23:08:53 GMT -5
*sigh*..
I mean, what can you really say. I’ll say this much, I’m assuming they went into this Becky-Liv program with the intention to build her up as a viable contender but it’s been shot. Whether you think it’s the company’s fault for having her cut a long promo (and all the other stuff in this feud lol) or for her having the speaking ability of a toy robot from the 90s, girl has been exposed.
It sucks. That was painful to experience. Just the whole thing, good god.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 20, 2021 23:09:23 GMT -5
I also love that they had to script an elongated segment partially just to explain the bizarre Liv/Becky gym thing.
"No, you guys just didn't get it. Here, let me explain..."
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Dec 20, 2021 23:09:23 GMT -5
That was absolutely incredible to witness and man I feel bad for her cause I don't know how that could have gone any worse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 23:13:41 GMT -5
I said in the thread but how is it that entire thing was so much worse WITH them trying to explain that than without lol never a truer case of less absoloutley was more.
Liv's delivery sucks because she clearly does not believe in what she is saying (this evidenced by her laughing at random moments during her promo) but also ties into WWE just writing shitty material.
The only positive was her throwing the kendo stick to Becky and daring her to fight her....THIS moment worked but got overshadowed by the garbage that was everything else.
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Post by Fade on Dec 20, 2021 23:15:40 GMT -5
I said in the thread but how is it that entire thing was so much worse WITH them trying to explain that than without lol never a truer case of less absoloutley was more. Liv's delivery sucks because she clearly does not believe in what she is saying (this evidenced by her laughing at random moments during her promo) but also ties into WWE just writing shitty material. The only positive was her throwing the kendo stick to Becky and daring her to fight her....THIS moment worked but got overshadowed by the garbage that was everything else. Yea, agreed, the kendo thing was a good idea in theory but Becky just being like “nah, PEACE” completely undercut it lmao |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 23:15:55 GMT -5
Liv would come off so much better if she was just relentlessly going after Becky and not talking and Becky treating Liv like a maniac and having some security with her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 23:20:50 GMT -5
Liv would come off so much better if she was just relentlessly going after Becky and not talking and Becky treating Liv like a maniac and having some security with her. Yeah, Liv going after Becky the same way Becky went after Charlotte in 2018 would've been good. |
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Post by Perd on Dec 20, 2021 23:25:28 GMT -5
Well, I suppose cut can be used as another word for butchered.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 23:26:39 GMT -5
Meh. I didn't think it was that bad honestly.
The whole "let me explain what happened here" thing was lame. But what else could she do with that material?
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Post by mistery on Dec 20, 2021 23:30:06 GMT -5
Let's not forget Liv openly bragging about beating up a trainee and talking about how good it felt.
...When the week before that, she said she loves and respects all of the women working hard in the business and has no problem with them.
I said in another thread that Liv would probably be back on WWE Main Event full time by the end of 2022. I might have to revise that estimate and say it'll be by Summer 2022.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 20, 2021 23:31:30 GMT -5
Let's not forget Liv openly bragging about beating up a trainee and talking about how good it felt. ...When the week before that, she said she loves and respects all of the women working hard in the business and has no problem with them. I said in another thread that Liv would probably be back on WWE Main Event full time by the end of 2022. I might have to revise that estimate and say it'll be by Summer 2022. Current trajectory of things I'm guessing by the Rumble. |
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 20, 2021 23:39:25 GMT -5
You know, you don’t HAVE to be a great promo to be a star. Sasha Banks and Rey Mysterio are two such examples on WWE right now. Jeff Hardy, even Undertaker at points, etc.
BUT, then you have to actually, gasp, change up the formula and book to someone’s strengths. If they cannot cut a long promo, don’t keep sending them out there to cut long promos.
And in thus case:
-You send Liv out to try and promo off with one of the best talkers in the company, man or women.
-A lot of fans do not want to boo Becky. So that also does not help Liv. Especially when you have not built her up well either.
-For some stupid reason, every time they have Becky rip Liv, they have her make points that are RIGHT!! She is right, so how is Liv meant to respond to it?
-No one believes that Liv has a prayer of winning, so it feels like a waste of time.
-Etc.
So much of what is bad about modern WWE is in this one feud.
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Post by mistery on Dec 20, 2021 23:41:42 GMT -5
You know, you don’t HAVE to be a great promo to be a star. Sasha Banks and Rey Mysterio are two such examples on WWE right now. Jeff Hardy, even Undertaker at points, etc. BUT, then you have to actually, gasp, change up the formula and book to someone’s strengths. If they cannot cut a long promo, don’t keep sending them out there to cut long promos. And in thus case: -You send Liv out to try and promo off with one of the best talkers in the company, man or women. -A lot of fans do not want to boo Becky. So that also does not help Liv. Especially when you have not built her up well either. -For some stupid reason, every time they have Becky rip Liv, they have her make points that are RIGHT!! She is right, so how is Liv meant to respond to it? -No one believes that Liv has a prayer of winning, so it feels like a waste of time. -Etc. So much of what is bad about modern WWE is in this one feud. You seem to be overlooking something regarding Liv. Outside of her very rabid fanbase online, she really does not have much organic crowd support. If you threw her into the ring against a Bianca, Rhea, Asuka, Alexa, etc, she would still get way less of a reaction. She's not an underdog like Daniel Bryan or Kofi Kingston were. The audience doesn't see her as being held down. She's basically one tiny little step above Nikki ASH in terms of fan support. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 20, 2021 23:46:11 GMT -5
Liv would come off so much better if she was just relentlessly going after Becky and not talking and Becky treating Liv like a maniac and having some security with her. Yeah, Liv going after Becky the same way Becky went after Charlotte in 2018 would've been good.
That would require different booking though. It worked then in part because Becky got built up with lots of clean wins and then got to kick ass every week.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 21, 2021 0:02:28 GMT -5
You know, you don’t HAVE to be a great promo to be a star. Sasha Banks and Rey Mysterio are two such examples on WWE right now. Jeff Hardy, even Undertaker at points, etc. BUT, then you have to actually, gasp, change up the formula and book to someone’s strengths. If they cannot cut a long promo, don’t keep sending them out there to cut long promos. And in thus case: -You send Liv out to try and promo off with one of the best talkers in the company, man or women. -A lot of fans do not want to boo Becky. So that also does not help Liv. Especially when you have not built her up well either. -For some stupid reason, every time they have Becky rip Liv, they have her make points that are RIGHT!! She is right, so how is Liv meant to respond to it? -No one believes that Liv has a prayer of winning, so it feels like a waste of time. -Etc. So much of what is bad about modern WWE is in this one feud. You seem to be overlooking something regarding Liv. Outside of her very rabid fanbase online, she really does not have much organic crowd support. If you threw her into the ring against a Bianca, Rhea, Asuka, Alexa, etc, she would still get way less of a reaction. She's not an underdog like Daniel Bryan or Kofi Kingston were. The audience doesn't see her as being held down. She's basically one tiny little step above Nikki ASH in terms of fan support. and part of that is still the WWE trying to build a face up to face Becky... which is a roadblock because fans still do not want to boo Becky. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 21, 2021 0:10:09 GMT -5
You know, you don’t HAVE to be a great promo to be a star. Sasha Banks and Rey Mysterio are two such examples on WWE right now. Jeff Hardy, even Undertaker at points, etc. You don't have to be a great promo but to be a top star ideally you'd check at least one of the main 3 boxes (in-ring, charisma/mic skills, overness). You don't have to excel in all three but usually you need at least one or two (unless you're a forced push like Jinder Mahal). I like Liv but she arguably has none of those covered yet. She's not very good in the ring, uncomfortable on the mic and not hugely popular. Compared to say Bianca who has all three she's lagging behind and that's fine, this is only her first ever meaningful push and she still has a lot of room to grow. |
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