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Post by asuka007 on Dec 21, 2021 0:19:28 GMT -5
You know, you don’t HAVE to be a great promo to be a star. Sasha Banks and Rey Mysterio are two such examples on WWE right now. Jeff Hardy, even Undertaker at points, etc. BUT, then you have to actually, gasp, change up the formula and book to someone’s strengths. If they cannot cut a long promo, don’t keep sending them out there to cut long promos. And in thus case: -You send Liv out to try and promo off with one of the best talkers in the company, man or women. -A lot of fans do not want to boo Becky. So that also does not help Liv. Especially when you have not built her up well either. -For some stupid reason, every time they have Becky rip Liv, they have her make points that are RIGHT!! She is right, so how is Liv meant to respond to it? -No one believes that Liv has a prayer of winning, so it feels like a waste of time. -Etc. So much of what is bad about modern WWE is in this one feud. You seem to be overlooking something regarding Liv. Outside of her very rabid fanbase online, she really does not have much organic crowd support. If you threw her into the ring against a Bianca, Rhea, Asuka, Alexa, etc, she would still get way less of a reaction. She's not an underdog like Daniel Bryan or Kofi Kingston were. The audience doesn't see her as being held down. She's basically one tiny little step above Nikki ASH in terms of fan support. She consistently was getting cheered before they put her up against Becky. So no, she does have that. But they’ve done an ABYSMAL job of making her feel credible. And when people can see that they’re clearly heading towards Becky vs. Bianca as the big feud, zzzzzzzzz, once again, people have even less reason to care. Same with Charlotte vs. Toni on SD.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 21, 2021 0:56:05 GMT -5
The way I see it, Morgan must have shown enough of something at some point, be it in-ring, mic work, physical charisma or some combination of all three, for people to be like “I want her pushed to the level of top singles champion”.
But it’s hard at the moment to get a read on what her ceiling actually is because 1. The promo material is so dodgy, as it is across the company. And 2. she isn’t really working longer matches at all to prove herself capable of such. Even if she was, the heel side of the RAW division beyond Lynch herself doesn’t really have that solid mechanic type that Morgan can have a decent 10-15 minute match with.
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Post by lavelleuk22 on Dec 21, 2021 2:54:22 GMT -5
I tried to Google the promo out of curiosity but think most was cut off
What I did learn though was her name is LIV not LIZ, been reading it wrong this whole time
I also learnt that WWE still dresses there women up in the most revealing clothes they can even in their none ring gear to cut a promo. Did she really need to have a tiny top on and a skirt that showed off her thighs to cut that promo? Plus if she knew it would bring out someone she might fight why would she think tight tiny skirt big heels was the way to go??
I'm going to give a kendo stick to a woman I attacked, better wear my high heels!
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 21, 2021 3:19:37 GMT -5
The way I see it, Morgan must have shown enough of something at some point, be it in-ring, mic work, physical charisma or some combination of all three, for people to be like “I want her pushed to the level of top singles champion”. But it’s hard at the moment to get a read on what her ceiling actually is because 1. The promo material is so dodgy, as it is across the company. And 2. she isn’t really working longer matches at all to prove herself capable of such. Even if she was, the heel side of the RAW division beyond Lynch herself doesn’t really have that solid mechanic type that Morgan can have a decent 10-15 minute match with.That definitely is a problem. Most of the year she's been working a lot both on TV and house shows with Carmella who excels more at character stuff and is probably less advanced in ring then Liv is. Zelina is pretty much the same as Carmella, Doudrop while good is a much bigger woman who Liv won't really benefit much from working with, and Tamina is well Tamina. Putting her in a feud with someone like Becky I thought would be good for her in that Becky a good worker and a mechanic type who could help Liv improve by working long matches with her on the house shows now that those are back and running. However if you look at the results they are doing triple threat matches with Becky and Liv plus Bianca. Matches like those aren't going to help Liv develop as they are just going to be spot fests and with an extra person it takes away Liv and Becky getting time one and one.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 21, 2021 5:38:34 GMT -5
Liv didn't get over cutting promos, she got over with her look and her presence. She's good, she's good if you know how to use her. WWE doesn't know how to use her, and it's becoming incredibly apparent they don't know how to book women anymore.
Liv cuts promos like a monotone robot devoid of emotion, Nikki ASH is nothing but a loser, Shotzi is now a super serious heel who loses all the time, Doudrop is a super serious hoss who loses all the time, Shayna loses to nothing but rollups, Toni Storm is displayed as pathetic and dumb lucky, Naomi is in a feud with her shades of racist boss, Sonya IS the shades of racist boss with zero motive despite it going on for months, I could go on.
Liv's just one of the many problems of a women's division that is top heavy and they've done nothing to really solve it. The promo was one of the worst of the entire year, and it'll probably be blamed entirely on Liv when they sent her out there to die. It's bullshit, but this is what happens when you peg grand change for "all women's wrestling" and in about six years time we're back to "Tits and ass sells" on your developmental brand and "Only about four women matter between two shows" on your main one.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 21, 2021 7:30:58 GMT -5
So as someone who refuses to watch WWE for any reason, on a scale of 1 to Jumping Jeff Farmer, how bad was this?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 21, 2021 7:40:05 GMT -5
It baffles me that Liv has gotten people demanding that she be champ when I cannot think of a single memorably good promo or match that she has had.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Dec 21, 2021 8:01:14 GMT -5
What’s worse is it came pretty much right after that Cutting Edge segment. Acting chops were not on display last night.
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Post by pinja on Dec 21, 2021 8:12:05 GMT -5
She's a pretty girl, working hard, but her babyface appeal is less being an underdog and more being overwhelmed by the booker's demands. She needs development on a smaller scale. Mandy Rose is on NXT again and she feels much more confident than Liv. I feel for her.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 21, 2021 8:26:25 GMT -5
It baffles me that Liv has gotten people demanding that she be champ when I cannot think of a single memorably good promo or match that she has had. She’s not *terrible* but her support far exceeds her skills.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 21, 2021 8:46:36 GMT -5
I tried to Google the promo out of curiosity but think most was cut off What I did learn though was her name is LIV not LIZ, been reading it wrong this whole time I also learnt that WWE still dresses there women up in the most revealing clothes they can even in their none ring gear to cut a promo. Did she really need to have a tiny top on and a skirt that showed off her thighs to cut that promo? Plus if she knew it would bring out someone she might fight why would she think tight tiny skirt big heels was the way to go?? I'm going to give a kendo stick to a woman I attacked, better wear my high heels! The heeled boots really annoyed me, too. At least if Charlotte wears heels to the ring for a promo, they're slip ons and she can just throw them off. There was zero chance of Liv fighting in that outfit and heels. I can run in heels, but that's on a solid surface. Not a bouncy ring while I'm trying to throw hands at someone.
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Post by Dan Royal on Dec 21, 2021 8:59:04 GMT -5
WWE: How to make hot chicks extremely unlikable among an audience of mostly straight males.
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Post by Gremlin on Dec 21, 2021 9:19:44 GMT -5
So as someone who refuses to watch WWE for any reason, on a scale of 1 to Jumping Jeff Farmer, how bad was this? 3 Yeps out of 10. It was not good but nowhere near Jumping Jeff Farmer. Liv only went half force.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 21, 2021 10:11:47 GMT -5
It baffles me that Liv has gotten people demanding that she be champ when I cannot think of a single memorably good promo or match that she has had. She’s not *terrible* but her support far exceeds her skills. I think a lot of it comes down to people wanting *anyone* but a Horsewoman as champ, even for just a moment.
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Post by J is Justice on Dec 21, 2021 10:24:05 GMT -5
So as someone who refuses to watch WWE for any reason, on a scale of 1 to Jumping Jeff Farmer, how bad was this? It wasn't that bad. Here's an excerpt: "You know, I've been humiliated before. But I'm so humiliated right now, I'm afraid to turn my back. You whipped me like a dirty, yard dog. Well, I'm gonna tell you something, Becky: I can take pain. I can rec-recover. I can recuperate. I am so... upset... at the actions that are going on in WWE. And it's just a matter of time—like I've said before, I've said it to you, Kayla, I've said it to everybody—IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL LIV MORGAN GETS IN FULL GEAR AND RUNS THE WWE—OR RIDS THE WWE OF THE LIKES OF YOU BECKY, ZELINA, CARMELLA, PIPOU NIVDROP! FOR THE WHIPPING YOU GAVE ME, WHIP ME LIKE A RED SEDED-HEADED STEPDAUGHTER! I'm gonna carry these scars for a while, but I do heal and I heal well."
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 21, 2021 10:51:08 GMT -5
Liv's delivery was pretty bad, but the script did her no favours:
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 21, 2021 11:26:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:28:09 GMT -5
This was some memorable shie'et, that's for sure!
Liv, Love, Laugh \o/
Also, I hope this lead into either Street Fight or Kendo Stick on a Pole match up. 😍
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 21, 2021 11:36:21 GMT -5
Meh. I didn't think it was that bad honestly. The whole "let me explain what happened here" thing was lame. But what else could she do with that material? I kind of agree. The beginning was really really rough and I kind of feel that poisoned the whole thing. Once Becky came out it wasn’t groundbreaking or even good, but it stopped being a trainwreck like when she was monologuing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 13:59:24 GMT -5
Liv's delivery was pretty bad, but the script did her no favours: The random "[laughs]" in between sentences crack me up. You can tell that's exactly what Liv read when she got the script too. My god, this show is awful.
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