lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 1, 2022 14:26:13 GMT -5
I guess Big Swole should be allowed to call people racists for no reason with zero consequence but when Tony claps back and calls her a bad wrestler, its the end of the world? Honestly looking at her feed, she seems to be more trouble than she's worth. And guys like Lio Rush suggesting Tony should apologise... Why? Swole was talking about diversity and in the same sentence of tweets, she's throwing shade at Jade potentially winning the TBS title. Irony. Swole never called Tony a racist thats what a lot of people are missing she just called for more diversity in the BTS structures
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 1, 2022 14:26:14 GMT -5
I guess Big Swole should be allowed to call people racists for no reason with zero consequence but when Tony claps back and calls her a bad wrestler, its the end of the world? Honestly looking at her feed, she seems to be more trouble than she's worth. And guys like Lio Rush suggesting Tony should apologise... Why? Swole was talking about diversity and in the same sentence of tweets, she's throwing shade at Jade potentially winning the TBS title. Irony. Neither one comes across looking good in this. It’s completely disingenuous to act like Swole was just innocently advocating for change. Her intentions were clearly not entirely good. That’s where I disagree with some people on this as a whole. But TK is the owner of the company. He’s not in a position to be “clapping back.” And that’s why I do think Lio’s right and he needs to acknowledge he let his emotions get the better of him and apologize. I'm honestly shocked he didn't give the typical corporate non-answer answer. Something like "We value the opinion of all employees, past and present, who have worked for us and will look into their suggestions and ideas with the utmost seriousness." It's like modern corporate diffusion 101.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 14:31:18 GMT -5
My guess is Khan thought they left on good terms then saw that interview.
You're always going to have talents that aren't happy when they leave. It's best to just let it go.
The more this goes the more it's a circle and it goes nowhere.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 1, 2022 14:31:32 GMT -5
I guess Big Swole should be allowed to call people racists for no reason with zero consequence but when Tony claps back and calls her a bad wrestler, its the end of the world? Honestly looking at her feed, she seems to be more trouble than she's worth. And guys like Lio Rush suggesting Tony should apologise... Why? Swole was talking about diversity and in the same sentence of tweets, she's throwing shade at Jade potentially winning the TBS title. Irony. I don’t want to be one of the people jumping on you but come on now. She did not accuse him of racism. I’ve read what she said and if I missed something, let me know because I must have read the wrong damn thing. And for as much as I agree it doesn’t look great to say it ended mutually then do an interview like this…he’s the boss. He shouldn’t be doing this. If Bob Iger clapped back at Gina Carano after her interviews, regardless of what you think, he’d be hung drawn and quartered for it and rightfully so because he’s the head of a multi billion dollar conglomerate and she is not. That’s just how this stuff works.
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Post by Fade on Jan 1, 2022 14:32:29 GMT -5
Neither one comes across looking good in this. It’s completely disingenuous to act like Swole was just innocently advocating for change. Her intentions were clearly not entirely good. That’s where I disagree with some people on this as a whole. But TK is the owner of the company. He’s not in a position to be “clapping back.” And that’s why I do think Lio’s right and he needs to acknowledge he let his emotions get the better of him and apologize. I'm honestly shocked he didn't give the typical corporate non-answer answer. Something like "We value the opinion of all employees, past and present, who have worked for us and will look into their suggestions and ideas with the utmost seriousness." It's like modern corporate diffusion 101. Something that made me laugh on wreddit last night was that Tony lives by the posters credo: “I will never stop posting. I will never log off. I will make my enemies log off.”
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 1, 2022 14:32:55 GMT -5
When you run a company, especially one worth millions of dollars, what you say publicly matters. This is basic stuff. It may not be the end of the world, but it's the first potential major PR disaster for AEW. And you're the owner of a company worth millions, you get a social media person or team to handle your account. Or if you want to tweet, you ask if you should send this tweet out before sending it, unless it's something like "Merry Christmas", "Happy New Year", or "May the Force be with you." It's what owners of sports teams, the McMahons, and studios have been doing for years. It works, and Tony Khan needs to do that.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 1, 2022 14:33:45 GMT -5
I'm honestly shocked he didn't give the typical corporate non-answer answer. Something like "We value the opinion of all employees, past and present, who have worked for us and will look into their suggestions and ideas with the utmost seriousness." It's like modern corporate diffusion 101. Something that made me laugh on wreddit last night was that Tony lives by the posters credo: “I will never stop posting. I will never log off. I will make my enemies log off.” Tony forgetting that this isn’t the DVDVR forums, obviously.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 1, 2022 14:33:51 GMT -5
Neither one comes across looking good in this. It’s completely disingenuous to act like Swole was just innocently advocating for change. Her intentions were clearly not entirely good. That’s where I disagree with some people on this as a whole. But TK is the owner of the company. He’s not in a position to be “clapping back.” And that’s why I do think Lio’s right and he needs to acknowledge he let his emotions get the better of him and apologize. I'm honestly shocked he didn't give the typical corporate non-answer answer. Something like "We value the opinion of all employees, past and present, who have worked for us and will look into their suggestions and ideas with the utmost seriousness." It's like modern corporate diffusion 101. He never can do that. He always has been thin skinned. As someone mentioned earlier it was easier for him to hide behind his dad with their other ventures. But he's the face of the company and he's been slowly peeling the mask off. Not saying he isn't a nice person, but he obviously can't take criticism and the AEW diehards think he's in the right and rewards him so I dont think he'll change anytime soon
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 14:33:58 GMT -5
When you run a company, especially one worth millions of dollars, what you say publicly matters. This is basic stuff. It may not be the end of the world, but it's the first potential major PR disaster for AEW. And you're the owner of a company worth millions, you get a social media person or team to handle your account. Or if you want to tweet, you ask if you should send this tweet out before sending it, unless it's something like "Merry Christmas", "Happy New Year", or "May the Force be with you." It's what owners of sports teams, the McMahons, and studios have been doing for years. It works, and Tony Khan needs to do that. That's pretty accurate, if Twitter existed 40 years ago Vince's would have been gold though.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 1, 2022 14:34:25 GMT -5
I guess Big Swole should be allowed to call people racists for no reason with zero consequence but when Tony claps back and calls her a bad wrestler, its the end of the world? Honestly looking at her feed, she seems to be more trouble than she's worth. And guys like Lio Rush suggesting Tony should apologise... Why? Swole was talking about diversity and in the same sentence of tweets, she's throwing shade at Jade potentially winning the TBS title. Irony. Tony has a history of putting his foot in his mouth. I think Tony has good intentions but he does tend to let his emotions get the best of him and how he responded was wrong and he should be held accountable for that. Higher up the totem pole you are the higher your standards should be. Now based on some reactions I've seen it does seem that some thing Swole said ruffled feathers of people who are not Tony. I've said previously that the discussion of diversity tends to boil down to wanting more black wrestlers pushed which is valid. However the discussion tends cause tension with other people of color.... and I have also seen this also leads to a lot of anger because people dismiss people of Hispanic heritage as white looking which tends to get them angry as well (another discussion). I think three statements can be factually true and not be controversial. 1)Tony was wrong for what he said 2)Swole brought up valid criticisms and 3)Swole upset some peers with the interview
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 1, 2022 14:34:47 GMT -5
And you're the owner of a company worth millions, you get a social media person or team to handle your account. Or if you want to tweet, you ask if you should send this tweet out before sending it, unless it's something like "Merry Christmas", "Happy New Year", or "May the Force be with you." It's what owners of sports teams, the McMahons, and studios have been doing for years. It works, and Tony Khan needs to do that. That's pretty accurate, if Twitter existed 40 years ago Vince's would have been gold though. I mean, he did enough AOL chats that it’d be all the sneak preview we need.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 1, 2022 14:36:35 GMT -5
Something that made me laugh on wreddit last night was that Tony lives by the posters credo: “I will never stop posting. I will never log off. I will make my enemies log off.” Tony forgetting that this isn’t the DVDVR forums, obviously. Hahahaha, I totally forgot he was one of "us" at one time. Maybe still is. Seems bizarre almost, but then again, CEO's are people like anyone else and he grew up right in that time when message boards were the best way to communicate on the internet. Honestly it's the method I still prefer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 14:36:53 GMT -5
Neither one comes across looking good in this. It’s completely disingenuous to act like Swole was just innocently advocating for change. Her intentions were clearly not entirely good. That’s where I disagree with some people on this as a whole. But TK is the owner of the company. He’s not in a position to be “clapping back.” And that’s why I do think Lio’s right and he needs to acknowledge he let his emotions get the better of him and apologize. I'm honestly shocked he didn't give the typical corporate non-answer answer. Something like "We value the opinion of all employees, past and present, who have worked for us and will look into their suggestions and ideas with the utmost seriousness." It's like modern corporate diffusion 101. AEW is in this weird spot where it truly is a multi-million dollar sole proprietorship, so the corporate checks and balances that would be in place to prevent the owner of the company from publicly getting into a pissing contest with an ex-employee at literally every other multimillion dollar company in the world aren’t really in place for AEW. The only people really in a position to rein Tony on are his father and Turner executives, and I doubt either of them really closely monitor what goes on on social media. The backlash to all of this will hopefully be a wake up call to TK that he needs to be less impulsive on social media as the owner of the company (or maybe even hire someone to filter what gets posted). Like I said earlier, I think in AEW’s early days, TK’s accessibility and social media presence was endearing. But stuff like this will really hurt the company in the long run as it continues to grow.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 1, 2022 14:37:19 GMT -5
I guess Big Swole should be allowed to call people racists for no reason with zero consequence but when Tony claps back and calls her a bad wrestler, its the end of the world? Honestly looking at her feed, she seems to be more trouble than she's worth. And guys like Lio Rush suggesting Tony should apologise... Why? Swole was talking about diversity and in the same sentence of tweets, she's throwing shade at Jade potentially winning the TBS title. Irony. Tony has a history of putting his foot in his mouth. I think Tony has good intentions but he does tend to let his emotions get the best of him and how he responded was wrong and he should be held accountable for that. Higher up the totem pole you are the higher your standards should be. Now based on some reactions I've seen it does seem that some thing Swole said ruffled feathers of people who are not Tony. I've said previously that the discussion of diversity tends to boil down to wanting more black wrestlers pushed which is valid. However the discussion tends cause tension with other people of color.... and I have also seen this also leads to a lot of anger because people dismiss people of Hispanic heritage as white looking which tends to get them angry as well (another discussion). I think three statements can be factually true and not be controversial. 1)Tony was wrong for what he said 2)Swole brought up valid criticisms and 3)Swole upset some peers with the interview The difference is that if there are people who were upset by Swole’s remarks, they obviously chose wisely not to get all pissy about it in public, unlike TK.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jan 1, 2022 14:37:28 GMT -5
I guess Big Swole should be allowed to call people racists for no reason with zero consequence but when Tony claps back and calls her a bad wrestler, its the end of the world? Honestly looking at her feed, she seems to be more trouble than she's worth. And guys like Lio Rush suggesting Tony should apologise... Why? Swole was talking about diversity and in the same sentence of tweets, she's throwing shade at Jade potentially winning the TBS title. Irony. She didn't call him or the company racist. She just said they have a diversity problem.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 1, 2022 14:38:46 GMT -5
I'm honestly shocked he didn't give the typical corporate non-answer answer. Something like "We value the opinion of all employees, past and present, who have worked for us and will look into their suggestions and ideas with the utmost seriousness." It's like modern corporate diffusion 101. He never can do that. He always has been thin skinned. As someone mentioned earlier it was easier for him to hide behind his dad with their other ventures. But he's the face of the company and he's been slowly peeling the mask off. Not saying he isn't a nice person, but he obviously can't take criticism and the AEW diehards think he's in the right and rewards him so I dont think he'll change anytime soon That does appear accurate. Which, man, I understand it on a basic human level...but for the love of (insert deity here), hire this stuff out if you know you're thin skinned. At least if you want to be a CEO.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Jan 1, 2022 14:41:25 GMT -5
If you have enough of a problem with what Swole said to try and defend Tony stepping out of his lane, you should go actually listen to what she said. People are taking a headline or a piece of the story and running with it far away from her actual thoughts and character. She deserves a lot better than that.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 1, 2022 14:41:57 GMT -5
I guess Big Swole should be allowed to call people racists for no reason with zero consequence but when Tony claps back and calls her a bad wrestler, its the end of the world? Honestly looking at her feed, she seems to be more trouble than she's worth. And guys like Lio Rush suggesting Tony should apologise... Why? Swole was talking about diversity and in the same sentence of tweets, she's throwing shade at Jade potentially winning the TBS title. Irony. Neither one comes across looking good in this. It’s completely disingenuous to act like Swole was just innocently advocating for change. Her intentions were clearly not entirely good. That’s where I disagree with some people on this as a whole. But TK is the owner of the company. He’s not in a position to be “clapping back.” And that’s why I do think Lio’s right and he needs to acknowledge he let his emotions get the better of him and apologize. Yeah, honestly Swole could've said literally anything, even something completely batshit or horrifically wrong, and Tony would still be wrong to answer back publicly without a filter in his capacity as the boss of AEW. Is that fair? Maybe not, but power disparities are what they are, and beyond that when you're the boss and you're tweeting as the boss then you represent your entire organization, which in this case employs hundreds of people of varying backgrounds, beliefs, and priorities. If you can't accept that reality, then being in charge isn't for you. Plain and simple, when you're in a position of authority your opinions are no longer just your own: they're an expression of the organization you're in charge of, and you need to present your thoughts accordingly. Tony failed to do so here, plain and simple, so he needs to address that. That's life when you're the boss. So yeah, I think there's stuff in what Swole brought up that people can absolutely take issue with (respectfully, of course), but no matter how wrong you might think she is, the boss just can't do that, not when you're responsible for the financial well being and livelihoods of hundreds of people.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 1, 2022 14:42:50 GMT -5
Tony has a history of putting his foot in his mouth. I think Tony has good intentions but he does tend to let his emotions get the best of him and how he responded was wrong and he should be held accountable for that. Higher up the totem pole you are the higher your standards should be. Now based on some reactions I've seen it does seem that some thing Swole said ruffled feathers of people who are not Tony. I've said previously that the discussion of diversity tends to boil down to wanting more black wrestlers pushed which is valid. However the discussion tends cause tension with other people of color.... and I have also seen this also leads to a lot of anger because people dismiss people of Hispanic heritage as white looking which tends to get them angry as well (another discussion). I think three statements can be factually true and not be controversial. 1)Tony was wrong for what he said 2)Swole brought up valid criticisms and 3)Swole upset some peers with the interview The difference is that if there are people who were upset by Swole’s remarks, they obviously chose wisely not to get all pissy about it in public, unlike TK. Correct most people who had an issue have said they've been given a lot of chances they never got before in AEW. But again my point was not to vilify Swole in any way. Personally I think the wrestlers who probably are against Swole are more against what she said for the organization than anything
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 14:48:35 GMT -5
As I said, asymmetrical. Not to mention, someone is handling this way better than the other. Swole is handling this as nicely as possible, with receipts. Now compare that to (mind you, this particular twitter is garbage and is totally on Tony's side on this, but the screenshot is real): This is really bad. And there's clearly nobody in Tony's circle to tell him no. In fairness Rovert has nothing to do with Toyn Khan. He is a piece of shit though
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