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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 1, 2022 14:50:39 GMT -5
He tweeted another congrats to the women in last night's tag match. On one hand, I understand maybe wanting to give them their moment but dude better have some sort of apology ready and/or he needs to just apologize directly to Swole.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 1, 2022 15:03:16 GMT -5
He tweeted another congrats to the women in last night's tag match. On one hand, I understand maybe wanting to give them their moment but dude better have some sort of apology ready and/or he needs to just apologize directly to Swole. Considering Swole’s own tweet, best thing for Khan to do is to get off Twitter for a few days, cool down, call Swole personally and apologize and then apologize on Twitter saying that he and Swole talked about it and he wants to make changes going forward. If Swole doesn’t accept, whatever, doesn’t matter to the overall situation and it’s her right to decide that. Doing it right now just seems like a bad idea for both.
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Post by ghost on Jan 1, 2022 15:05:58 GMT -5
Someone asked for a solution to this issue, and it's simple; don't try to force anything. Fans aren't stupid (well, most of them aren't). If something is being pushed heavily due to nepotism, virtue signaling, or any other reason that feels without merit, then they'll see right through it and it's only going to hurt the performer. Wellllllllll but that's the problem, isn't it? This just provides them with an out, a reason to spin their wheels, feigning helplessness. Because it seems plausible a lot of fans (who Aren't Racist But Hate Virtue Signaling) will distrust and resist any black performer getting anything that looks like a push. And then TK just shrugs and says "We tried, but the fans Aren't Stupid and saw through us! Oh well!" And we'll just go back to black wrestlers having to get over "naturally," which always means "very very very very very slowly." I think that’s only possible if Khan is in fact hesitant to push black talent for whatever reason. At this point he hasn’t put any minority in a spot based off optics, so there hasn’t been any backlash. Jade for example has a great look and big upside but she’s green and it’s noticeable. They are still pushing her. Not for optics but because they see something in her. Maybe she will be a big star or maybe she won’t but it won’t be because the fans rejected her for being a token push. I used the Jinder example before. Not a single person said “it’s good to see an Indian as champion”. It was more “this guy has potential but is no where near ready for this spot”, and it ended up hurting him. That’s what AEW has to avoid and I think/hope they will. They have talented black wrestlers right now, and some of them have gotten over organically (Starks, Martin, Rush, Acclaimed, etc) while others are more of a work in progress (Hobbs). Sky is somewhere in between. The key is to keep giving these guys opportunities anywhere possible and jumping on it the moment they got something. I personally think Starks is next but we will see.
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Post by Lardlad on Jan 1, 2022 15:08:32 GMT -5
During the Andre the Giant documentary, Vince McMahon mentions that he has a facility to get rid of negatives.
The quote was, "I have a facility to get rid of negatives, very quickly. And if something hurts me.. I get rid of it."
Maybe Tony needs to look into this theory?
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 1, 2022 15:11:29 GMT -5
During the Andre the Giant documentary, Vince McMahon mentions that he has a facility to get rid of negatives. The quote was, "I have a facility to get rid of negatives, very quickly. And if something hurts me.. I get rid of it." Maybe Tony needs to look into this theory?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 1, 2022 15:14:42 GMT -5
During the Andre the Giant documentary, Vince McMahon mentions that he has a facility to get rid of negatives. The quote was, "I have a facility to get rid of negatives, very quickly. And if something hurts me.. I get rid of it." Maybe Tony needs to look into this theory? Is this the same place where he figures out what shots to take at Ted Turner even after Turner’s gone from any kind of entertainment industry for decades?
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Post by pinja on Jan 1, 2022 15:15:23 GMT -5
During the Andre the Giant documentary, Vince McMahon mentions that he has a facility to get rid of negatives. The quote was, "I have a facility to get rid of negatives, very quickly. And if something hurts me.. I get rid of it." Maybe Tony needs to look into this theory? This is slowly becoming my favorite thing.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 1, 2022 15:21:15 GMT -5
During the Andre the Giant documentary, Vince McMahon mentions that he has a facility to get rid of negatives. The quote was, "I have a facility to get rid of negatives, very quickly. And if something hurts me.. I get rid of it." Maybe Tony needs to look into this theory? We all need Angry Domes.
As for why you haven't seen a lot of other people comment on this yet, like Brandi Rhodes, Matt Cardona and Chelsea Green got married last night and there were a lot of wrestlers in the wedding party and as guests. So it's not like they're intentionally ducking it... yet.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 1, 2022 15:33:17 GMT -5
There's only two ways big bosses and CEO's should resort to criticism or accusations:
1) say nothing 2) let your lawyers deal with it
If it's not serious or slanderousness enough for the lawyers to get involved (like this instance obviously isn't) then by default you choose number 1. TK should just stick to hyping the shows and praising his wrestlers.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 1, 2022 15:35:33 GMT -5
There's only two ways big bosses and CEO's should resort to criticism or accusations: 1) say nothing 2) let your lawyers deal with it If it's not serious or slanderousness enough for the lawyers to get involved (like this instance obviously isn't) then by default you choose number 1. TK should just stick to hyping the shows and praising his wrestlers. 3.) Work it out in private without the big public blowhorn.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 1, 2022 15:37:15 GMT -5
There's only two ways big bosses and CEO's should resort to criticism or accusations: 1) say nothing 2) let your lawyers deal with it If it's not serious or slanderousness enough for the lawyers to get involved (like this instance obviously isn't) then by default you choose number 1. TK should just stick to hyping the shows and praising his wrestlers. 3.) Work it out in private without the big public blowhorn. 4) Saying your views via “friend of _____” for New York gossip columnist.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 15:43:08 GMT -5
Listened to the Grapsody Podcast (Fightful) where they had Shawn Dean on there talking about this this morning. If you want a summary of what he said.
- He's the Extra Coordinator of AEW. He helps extras and talent try to get booked. Finds people through social media, peers and etc and tries to get them working in AEW. Whether they get certain matches, wins, length of matches and such isn't up to him but he at least tries to get people into the company. He's also a performer but that's his job title. He's also big on community outreach. Some of the people he scouted later went to WWE tryouts. Lee Moriarty and Kiera Hogan are from his help. - He agrees Tony shouldn't have said that and that Tony f***ed up. Said he understands how it comes across. Also says Swole is a hell of an athlete and that she was coming into her own. - Can't put on a timeframe on how long it'll take change to happen but said it'll happen. - He spoke to Swole before and after that interview and tweet and they're fine. He doesn't want to diminish anything she said because it's her experience and he's seen her experience some of the things she's talked about. - Him speaking on this is basically him saying "hey I'm here trying to make the change you wanna see" because he believes there needs to be a change. - Agrees with that fans needs a bit of "roadmap" in that certain black stars are "up next" in a way similar to Omega, Hangman, Bryan, MJF and such were told by the presentation. By that they got the "hey this person's next up forreal look at what they're doing" thing if that makes any sense. - He mentioned Hobbs used in storylines but then not and said he gets that there needs to be more consistency when using him. - Wants Dark to be more storyline based in regards to this stuff. - Henry's a mentor of his and Henry told him that before he became world champion he had only won 5 matches in a year. Said it can happen out of nowhere. When your number's called, you better be ready. - He thinks things will happen this year for Jade, Ricky, Hobbs, Dante and Darrius. - Said he doesn't know what Tony's next plan of action is after this but he thinks it'll be something. - Will from Grapsody said he talked to Tony before and after the tweet. Said he's told him twice in the past before this that the invitation's open for him to come on. Said he knows Tony's watching and said it's still open. - Shawn said this stuff needs to be talked about and said. - Said that when Tony made that tweet he thinks it came from a place of him not wording it correctly and not saying what he really felt. Said he could have done it better. - Said that he thinks Tony will make right on what he did wrong. - Doesn't want black people to give up on AEW and wants us to keep watching the product. Says he thinks we'll be pleased in how things will turn out within the next year.
Basically...
Shawn Dean is working from the inside for change similarly to New Day and Mark Henry. New Day's been about working from the inside to change the company (as they've stated in multiple interviews when it comes to how black wrestlers have been represented for decades). Mark Henry scouts those he believes can bring change. Shawn knows they need change, he knows people wanna see change so he's doing what he can to try to make that change happen. He's not saying there's no issue or there's no problems, he's just trying to work within the confines of the company for change as there's multiple avenues that can bring change. That's just the avenue he works.
The comments about the black community being pleased I'm guessing will revolve around the wrestlers mentioned being seasoned midcarders which is pretty much what I and others have been saying they'd be for 1-2 years before they're moved up because they started late. We'll probably see a good amount of them get a belt but as world champion unless it's Jade? I'm not seeing it. Still, that's about what I've been saying as to how they'll do this.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 1, 2022 15:43:46 GMT -5
There's only two ways big bosses and CEO's should resort to criticism or accusations: 1) say nothing 2) let your lawyers deal with it If it's not serious or slanderousness enough for the lawyers to get involved (like this instance obviously isn't) then by default you choose number 1. TK should just stick to hyping the shows and praising his wrestlers. Is saying nothing really an option for people anymore? Silence is considered by the vast majority to be tacit agreement with the negative. Hence phrases like "Your silence is deafening", "Your silence speaks volumes", etc...
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 1, 2022 15:51:37 GMT -5
There's only two ways big bosses and CEO's should resort to criticism or accusations: 1) say nothing 2) let your lawyers deal with it If it's not serious or slanderousness enough for the lawyers to get involved (like this instance obviously isn't) then by default you choose number 1. TK should just stick to hyping the shows and praising his wrestlers. Is saying nothing really an option for people anymore? Silence is considered by the vast majority to be tacit agreement with the negative. Hence phrases like "Your silence is deafening", "Your silence speaks volumes", etc... If we're actually looking at it from a PR perspective, the right thing to do for Tony would have been: 1. Don't say anything, especially not on Twitter, for a bit. Even if people say 'his silence is deafening,' people are conditioned to CEOs/execs not responding to this stuff. 2. Schedule an interview with a friendly reporter to talk Dynamite and AEW where he would expect the topic to come up. Tony gets asked and gives a respectful, nuanced response about understanding her position and pointing out some of the positives he pointed out with his tweet. I work in PR and I'm still gobsmacked by Tony's tweet. If an executive I worked for did something like that, it'd be a longggg night. He needs a handler or a social media manager, bad. If somebody told him it was OK to post that, he got bad counsel.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 1, 2022 15:52:55 GMT -5
Listened to the Grapsody Podcast (Fightful) where they had Shawn Dean on there talking about this this morning. If you want a summary of what he said. - He's the Extra Coordinator of AEW. He helps extras and talent try to get booked. Finds people through social media, peers and etc and tries to get them working in AEW. Whether they get certain matches, wins, length of matches and such isn't up to him but he at least tries to get people into the company. He's also a performer but that's his job title. He's also big on community outreach. Some of the people he scouted later went to WWE tryouts. Lee Moriarty and Kiera Hogan are from his help. - He agrees Tony shouldn't have said that and that Tony f***ed up. Said he understands how it comes across. Also says Swole is a hell of an athlete and that she was coming into her own. - Can't put on a timeframe on how long it'll take change to happen but said it'll happen. - He spoke to Swole before and after that interview and tweet and they're fine. He doesn't want to diminish anything she said because it's her experience and he's seen her experience some of the things she's talked about. - Him speaking on this is basically him saying "hey I'm here trying to make the change you wanna see" because he believes there needs to be a change. - Agrees with that fans needs a bit of "roadmap" in that certain black stars are "up next" in a way similar to Omega, Hangman, Bryan, MJF and such were told by the presentation. By that they got the "hey this person's next up forreal look at what they're doing" thing if that makes any sense. - He mentioned Hobbs used in storylines but then not and said he gets that there needs to be more consistency when using him. - Wants Dark to be more storyline based in regards to this stuff. - Henry's a mentor of his and Henry told him that before he became world champion he had only won 5 matches in a year. Said it can happen out of nowhere. When your number's called, you better be ready. - He thinks things will happen this year for Jade, Ricky, Hobbs, Dante and Darrius. - Said he doesn't know what Tony's next plan of action is after this but he thinks it'll be something. - Will from Grapsody said he talked to Tony before and after the tweet. Said he's told him twice in the past before this that the invitation's open for him to come on. Said he knows Tony's watching and said it's still open. - Shawn said this stuff needs to be talked about and said. - Said that when Tony made that tweet he thinks it came from a place of him not wording it correctly and not saying what he really felt. Said he could have done it better. - Said that he thinks Tony will make right on what he did wrong. - Doesn't want black people to give up on AEW and wants us to keep watching the product. Says he thinks we'll be pleased in how things will turn out within the next year. Basically... Shawn Dean is working from the inside for change similarly to New Day and Mark Henry. New Day's been about working from the inside to change the company (as they've stated in multiple interviews when it comes to how black wrestlers have been represented for decades). Mark Henry scouts those he believes can bring change. Shawn knows they need change, he knows people wanna see change so he's doing what he can to try to make that change happen. He's not saying there's no issue or there's no problems, he's just trying to work within the confines of the company for change as there's multiple avenues that can bring change. That's just the avenue he works. Brotherman, going need more than just his voice tho to get that change Like Kofi was in WWE for years, Big E was a pet project and Xavier was a good guy to have around before they all became a group and put their voices together. They represent themselves and other black wrestlers and are conscious of what is done. Hopefully, Dean can get more on his side and build up a strong voice One thing I been harping on from jump is specifically Black representation in the back and who is that voice. Cody is voice for Wrasslin, Bucks Tags, Kenny for Joshis and Japanese wrestling etc but never really had an answer to who had their back. The answer was maybe Mark Henry but if he joins in with Dean along with them hiring more vet black talent and coaches, that will go a long way with Black representation specifically
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 1, 2022 15:54:39 GMT -5
Is saying nothing really an option for people anymore? Silence is considered by the vast majority to be tacit agreement with the negative. Hence phrases like "Your silence is deafening", "Your silence speaks volumes", etc... If we're actually looking at it from a PR move, the right thing to do for Tony would have been: 1. Don't say anything, especially not on Twitter, for a bit. Even if people say 'his silence is deafening,' people are conditioned to CEOs/execs not responding to this stuff. 2. Schedule an interview with a friendly reporter to talk Dynamite and AEW where he would expect the topic to come up. Tony gets asked and gives a respectful, nuanced response about understanding her position and pointing out some of the positives he pointed out with his tweet. As somebody that actually works in PR, I'm still gobsmacked by Tony's tweet. He needs a handler, bad. If somebody told him it was OK to post that, he got bad counsel. Sure, if this was someone else. It's Big Swole - the proper move would have just been to ignore it full stop if it didn't get any traction beyond that. If the accusations are true, fix them quietly over a couple of months and you won't look like you've been bounced into anything. If they aren't true, why do anything?
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Post by Cyno on Jan 1, 2022 15:57:02 GMT -5
I'd like to see Shawn Dean wrestle more. Though I think by his own admission he's still pretty green.
Didn't know his role backstage was so extensive though. Maybe wrestling just isn't his priority at the moment.
Glad to see that he is a voice on the inside advocating for change. It looks like guys like Lio Rush and Lee Moriarty are on the same wavelength, so hopefully they get together and coordinate efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 15:57:20 GMT -5
Listened to the Grapsody Podcast (Fightful) where they had Shawn Dean on there talking about this this morning. If you want a summary of what he said. - He's the Extra Coordinator of AEW. He helps extras and talent try to get booked. Finds people through social media, peers and etc and tries to get them working in AEW. Whether they get certain matches, wins, length of matches and such isn't up to him but he at least tries to get people into the company. He's also a performer but that's his job title. He's also big on community outreach. Some of the people he scouted later went to WWE tryouts. Lee Moriarty and Kiera Hogan are from his help. - He agrees Tony shouldn't have said that and that Tony f***ed up. Said he understands how it comes across. Also says Swole is a hell of an athlete and that she was coming into her own. - Can't put on a timeframe on how long it'll take change to happen but said it'll happen. - He spoke to Swole before and after that interview and tweet and they're fine. He doesn't want to diminish anything she said because it's her experience and he's seen her experience some of the things she's talked about. - Him speaking on this is basically him saying "hey I'm here trying to make the change you wanna see" because he believes there needs to be a change. - Agrees with that fans needs a bit of "roadmap" in that certain black stars are "up next" in a way similar to Omega, Hangman, Bryan, MJF and such were told by the presentation. By that they got the "hey this person's next up forreal look at what they're doing" thing if that makes any sense. - He mentioned Hobbs used in storylines but then not and said he gets that there needs to be more consistency when using him. - Wants Dark to be more storyline based in regards to this stuff. - Henry's a mentor of his and Henry told him that before he became world champion he had only won 5 matches in a year. Said it can happen out of nowhere. When your number's called, you better be ready. - He thinks things will happen this year for Jade, Ricky, Hobbs, Dante and Darrius. - Said he doesn't know what Tony's next plan of action is after this but he thinks it'll be something. - Will from Grapsody said he talked to Tony before and after the tweet. Said he's told him twice in the past before this that the invitation's open for him to come on. Said he knows Tony's watching and said it's still open. - Shawn said this stuff needs to be talked about and said. - Said that when Tony made that tweet he thinks it came from a place of him not wording it correctly and not saying what he really felt. Said he could have done it better. - Said that he thinks Tony will make right on what he did wrong. - Doesn't want black people to give up on AEW and wants us to keep watching the product. Says he thinks we'll be pleased in how things will turn out within the next year. Basically... Shawn Dean is working from the inside for change similarly to New Day and Mark Henry. New Day's been about working from the inside to change the company (as they've stated in multiple interviews when it comes to how black wrestlers have been represented for decades). Mark Henry scouts those he believes can bring change. Shawn knows they need change, he knows people wanna see change so he's doing what he can to try to make that change happen. He's not saying there's no issue or there's no problems, he's just trying to work within the confines of the company for change as there's multiple avenues that can bring change. That's just the avenue he works. Brotherman, going need more than just his voice tho to get that change Like Kofi was in WWE for years, Big E was a pet project and Xavier was a good guy to have around before they all became a group and put their voices together. They represent themselves and other black wrestlers and are conscious of what is done. Hopefully, Dean can get more on his side and build up a strong voice One thing I been harping on from jump is specifically Black representation in the back and who is that voice. Cody is voice for Wrasslin, Bucks Tags, Kenny for Joshis and Japanese wrestling etc but never really had an answer to who had their back. The answer was maybe Mark Henry but if he joins in with Dean along with them hiring more vet black talent and coaches, that will go a long way with Black representation specifically Yeah pretty much. I get what he wants to do and I get what he's pushing for but honestly the fact we didn't know what he did until yesterday says a lot about how much they're listening to him. He can get people into the company but anything beyond that sadly isn't up to him.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 1, 2022 16:00:19 GMT -5
If we're actually looking at it from a PR move, the right thing to do for Tony would have been: 1. Don't say anything, especially not on Twitter, for a bit. Even if people say 'his silence is deafening,' people are conditioned to CEOs/execs not responding to this stuff. 2. Schedule an interview with a friendly reporter to talk Dynamite and AEW where he would expect the topic to come up. Tony gets asked and gives a respectful, nuanced response about understanding her position and pointing out some of the positives he pointed out with his tweet. As somebody that actually works in PR, I'm still gobsmacked by Tony's tweet. He needs a handler, bad. If somebody told him it was OK to post that, he got bad counsel. Sure, if this was someone else. It's Big Swole - the proper move would have just been to ignore it full stop if it didn't get any traction beyond that. If the accusations are true, fix them quietly over a couple of months and you won't look like you've been bounced into anything. If they aren't true, why do anything? The interview was getting traction and picked up. It'd look worse if he totally ignored it. Maybe you don't need to be proactive about it, but he would have had to address it at some point. Swole's not a mainstream name, but she's got some notoriety.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 16:02:39 GMT -5
Listened to the Grapsody Podcast (Fightful) where they had Shawn Dean on there talking about this this morning. If you want a summary of what he said. - He's the Extra Coordinator of AEW. He helps extras and talent try to get booked. Finds people through social media, peers and etc and tries to get them working in AEW. Whether they get certain matches, wins, length of matches and such isn't up to him but he at least tries to get people into the company. He's also a performer but that's his job title. He's also big on community outreach. Some of the people he scouted later went to WWE tryouts. Lee Moriarty and Kiera Hogan are from his help. - He agrees Tony shouldn't have said that and that Tony f***ed up. Said he understands how it comes across. Also says Swole is a hell of an athlete and that she was coming into her own. - Can't put on a timeframe on how long it'll take change to happen but said it'll happen. - He spoke to Swole before and after that interview and tweet and they're fine. He doesn't want to diminish anything she said because it's her experience and he's seen her experience some of the things she's talked about. - Him speaking on this is basically him saying "hey I'm here trying to make the change you wanna see" because he believes there needs to be a change. - Agrees with that fans needs a bit of "roadmap" in that certain black stars are "up next" in a way similar to Omega, Hangman, Bryan, MJF and such were told by the presentation. By that they got the "hey this person's next up forreal look at what they're doing" thing if that makes any sense. - He mentioned Hobbs used in storylines but then not and said he gets that there needs to be more consistency when using him. - Wants Dark to be more storyline based in regards to this stuff. - Henry's a mentor of his and Henry told him that before he became world champion he had only won 5 matches in a year. Said it can happen out of nowhere. When your number's called, you better be ready. - He thinks things will happen this year for Jade, Ricky, Hobbs, Dante and Darrius. - Said he doesn't know what Tony's next plan of action is after this but he thinks it'll be something. - Will from Grapsody said he talked to Tony before and after the tweet. Said he's told him twice in the past before this that the invitation's open for him to come on. Said he knows Tony's watching and said it's still open. - Shawn said this stuff needs to be talked about and said. - Said that when Tony made that tweet he thinks it came from a place of him not wording it correctly and not saying what he really felt. Said he could have done it better. - Said that he thinks Tony will make right on what he did wrong. - Doesn't want black people to give up on AEW and wants us to keep watching the product. Says he thinks we'll be pleased in how things will turn out within the next year. Basically... Shawn Dean is working from the inside for change similarly to New Day and Mark Henry. New Day's been about working from the inside to change the company (as they've stated in multiple interviews when it comes to how black wrestlers have been represented for decades). Mark Henry scouts those he believes can bring change. Shawn knows they need change, he knows people wanna see change so he's doing what he can to try to make that change happen. He's not saying there's no issue or there's no problems, he's just trying to work within the confines of the company for change as there's multiple avenues that can bring change. That's just the avenue he works. The comments about the black community being pleased I'm guessing will revolve around the wrestlers mentioned being seasoned midcarders which is pretty much what I and others have been saying they'd be for 1-2 years before they're moved up because they started late. We'll probably see a good amount of them get a belt but as world champion unless it's Jade? I'm not seeing it. Still, that's about what I've been saying as to how they'll do this. Just to add a plug here I listen to Grapsody every week, one of the best pods out there.
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