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Post by markymark on Jan 2, 2022 21:28:25 GMT -5
So this person was making up all of that stuff, what a freaking imbecile.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 21:28:43 GMT -5
I’m literally calling BS. If that ends up being a real quote, I’ll post a video of myself eating my hat. No one talks like that. I just can't believe Tony would go on a podcast on a Sunday when the Jags play and he's doing a bunch of other stuff and he would talk about this and no one else I follow on Twitter would be discussing this. It would literally be the thing everyone was talking about. And yes, I can't imagine a real person talking like that. Look at the comments on this: www.facebook.com/100053213777536/posts/458205089296613/?d=nIt’s disturbing but not surprising how many people earnestly just accepted that as a real quote at face value. This is the same thing. There is absolutely no way Tony Khan made that statement. It’s a series of buzzwords expressly designed to piss people off. There is a -2% chance with a 2% margin of error that he’s out calling Brandi Rhodes the “face of the women’s division” and talking about everything he’s done for Jay Lethal. He’s impulsive but not a moron who talks like an NPC in a badly translated 1990s JRPG.
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Post by eJm on Jan 2, 2022 21:30:05 GMT -5
So this person was making up all of that stuff?
That…doesn’t make it better. That makes you look like a tool. Not as much of a tool as he was but still. Also, come on, make up a podcast if you’re going to make up a quote and make it a good one, like “The Scheduled for One Fall Podcast” or something.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 2, 2022 21:37:16 GMT -5
So this person was making up all of that stuff?
That…doesn’t make it better. That makes you look like a tool. Not as much of a tool as he was but still. Also, come on, make up a podcast if you’re going to make up a quote and make it a good one, like “The Scheduled for One Fall Podcast” or something. Something seemed off with this. Having listened and read a lot of interviews Tony does that didn't read like Tony. And he also doesn't just appear on random podcasts so that would have been heavily covered
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Jan 2, 2022 21:38:22 GMT -5
He was on a podcast
Which podcast?
A podcast.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 2, 2022 21:40:51 GMT -5
It's wild how fast misinformation/fake shit can spread.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 2, 2022 21:51:18 GMT -5
I just read that, yeah, it’s bullshit. Apart of that sounding barely like a human being, let alone Tony Khan, why the hell would he go on a random podcast that no one cares about, or in this case, doesn’t even exist.
There was/is enough drama coming from this. This shit just adds fuel to the fire that is irresponsible.
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Post by eJm on Jan 2, 2022 21:52:41 GMT -5
And with that, let’s move on from the fake quote.
Mostly because the real quote is bad enough.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 3, 2022 0:25:42 GMT -5
Before I put this thread on ignore, and bear in mind this is whataboutism. Miss me with Tk being racist. Vince has said the N-word, on-air, has had white guys do blackface, ran an angle where a white performer belittle a black performer in a racist angle, to name a few things and recently brought back a known racist to play pirate dress up. Tony has foot in mouth disease. That is all. I think most people dont think he is racist,but that he missed the issue about representation.(plus was rude as hell). I have seen very few people actually say he is racist
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Post by Mecca on Jan 3, 2022 0:45:49 GMT -5
Meltzer weighed in on WOR about this.
The memorable quote was, Those who are over will get more tv time, the guys who aren't won't whoever it is...the purpose is to find those who draw but some people don't care about any of that and don't care if business goes down just so they have a percentage time for certain individuals. He talked about this a bit more saying Tony has been asked questions about this since before Dynamite was announced. It's not really about his feelings on the diversity of the roster but more so about fan expectations of who would get pushed or get TV time and how this conversation has been "kinda weird" from early on.
-Swole was well within her rights to speak about her experience and its her right to feel how she feels. Nothing what she said bothered Dave at all and he understood where she was coming from.
-It's inherent the more people AEW signs, the less time would be given to certain wrestlers, and Swole was one of them.
-Tony shouldn't have tweeted what he tweeted. It doesn't come off well that he said that he let her go because of wrestling not being good enough. If he thought it through more, he probably wouldn't have said it like that.
-Says Tony should start ignoring this kind of stuff in the future. If the numbers continue growing, then who cares what twitter has to say? He also notes that the All Elite Whites narrative that is pushed by some on twitter is complete BS so why even pay attention to it?
-Pointed out that Hobbs got attacked on twitter for expressing his happiness and satisfaction working in AEW. Dave feels that he and Starks are victims of the bloated roster, he thinks they should both be used more.
-Twitter is the worst place to have this conversation.
-The one thing he disagreed with Swole about was about writers being involved in the show. He felt that the one thing AEW proved in the last 2 years is you don't need writers for a good wrestling program and it's helped the promo aspect of AEW a lot.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 3, 2022 2:19:29 GMT -5
Meltzer weighed in on WOR about this. The memorable quote was, Those who are over will get more tv time, the guys who aren't won't whoever it is...the purpose is to find those who draw but some people don't care about any of that and don't care if business goes down just so they have a percentage time for certain individuals. He talked about this a bit more saying Tony has been asked questions about this since before Dynamite was announced. It's not really about his feelings on the diversity of the roster but more so about fan expectations of who would get pushed or get TV time and how this conversation has been "kinda weird" from early on. -Swole was well within her rights to speak about her experience and its her right to feel how she feels. Nothing what she said bothered Dave at all and he understood where she was coming from. -It's inherent the more people AEW signs, the less time would be given to certain wrestlers, and Swole was one of them. -Tony shouldn't have tweeted what he tweeted. It doesn't come off well that he said that he let her go because of wrestling not being good enough. If he thought it through more, he probably wouldn't have said it like that. -Says Tony should start ignoring this kind of stuff in the future. If the numbers continue growing, then who cares what twitter has to say? He also notes that the All Elite Whites narrative that is pushed by some on twitter is complete BS so why even pay attention to it? -Pointed out that Hobbs got attacked on twitter for expressing his happiness and satisfaction working in AEW. Dave feels that he and Starks are victims of the bloated roster, he thinks they should both be used more. -Twitter is the worst place to have this conversation. -The one thing he disagreed with Swole about was about writers being involved in the show. He felt that the one thing AEW proved in the last 2 years is you don't need writers for a good wrestling program and it's helped the promo aspect of AEW a lot. So where are all the people who said Meltzer was gonna make excuses?? Cause there sure were a lot of people expecting him to make a fool of himself and were pre-emptively shitting on him in the process even early on in this thread. Sure sounds like most sentiments here were echoed by him. People who think he's just going to magically defend Khan need to get over themselves, seriously, I know Dave fumbles when it comes to certain topics, but some people online and even here in the past act like this guy personally wronged them and their family, it's WEIRD. I do get the notion Khan is going to push who is getting the big reactions and it makes sense, we've seen that with new arrivals and with in house talents. But I do think that if he were to sign a Bey or a Tankman, or if Lee or Swerve were to come in? Those guys have the chops to get the big pops out the gate, and get the crowd support without the need of being built up through the card like a project. Dante Martin as well has risen his stock really high getting showcased as he has, and that should only continue. Hobbs has been a definite victim of the giant roster and just Team Taz not knowing when to feud pivot, which I hope changes. Starks is well over, but his neck obviously takes priority. Lio and Dean I would hope have risen their company stock internally and out with how they handled this too. That leaves some others, Moriarty's still young and he's still very new, but I'm noting the crowd is getting behind him more and more, and I hope 2022 gives him that Dante treatment where his stock rises. Lethal's definitely there to also help train talents it seems, and they probably want to get him into a good feud before he really sinks his teeth into the roster, kinda wondering if they're waiting for a package deal with him like how they signed Bobby early and he kinda just waited for a bit until we got the full Undisputed experience. Anyway, yeah, AEW's roster is always gonna have victims of overness and time at this point, especially when more potential talents come in for 2022, but I have never seen it as a race issue, more Khan maybe trying to put too many hands in a cookie jar and the optics then look like shit, not helped by a dumb Twitter outburst. It's growing pains, it's something i'm glad he's listening to talent about, as shit as it is, the very start of 2022 is the time to address it too. And count me in for people who hopes he does make a public statement, if he takes time to make sure it's as good as it needs to be, then all for that too, guess we'll see.
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Post by mattyy on Jan 3, 2022 3:39:22 GMT -5
Meltzer weighed in on WOR about this. The memorable quote was, Those who are over will get more tv time, the guys who aren't won't whoever it is...the purpose is to find those who draw but some people don't care about any of that and don't care if business goes down just so they have a percentage time for certain individuals. He talked about this a bit more saying Tony has been asked questions about this since before Dynamite was announced. It's not really about his feelings on the diversity of the roster but more so about fan expectations of who would get pushed or get TV time and how this conversation has been "kinda weird" from early on. -Swole was well within her rights to speak about her experience and its her right to feel how she feels. Nothing what she said bothered Dave at all and he understood where she was coming from. -It's inherent the more people AEW signs, the less time would be given to certain wrestlers, and Swole was one of them. -Tony shouldn't have tweeted what he tweeted. It doesn't come off well that he said that he let her go because of wrestling not being good enough. If he thought it through more, he probably wouldn't have said it like that. -Says Tony should start ignoring this kind of stuff in the future. If the numbers continue growing, then who cares what twitter has to say? He also notes that the All Elite Whites narrative that is pushed by some on twitter is complete BS so why even pay attention to it? -Pointed out that Hobbs got attacked on twitter for expressing his happiness and satisfaction working in AEW. Dave feels that he and Starks are victims of the bloated roster, he thinks they should both be used more. -Twitter is the worst place to have this conversation. -The one thing he disagreed with Swole about was about writers being involved in the show. He felt that the one thing AEW proved in the last 2 years is you don't need writers for a good wrestling program and it's helped the promo aspect of AEW a lot. this whole time I've been cringing in anticipation of what Dave was gonna say. After all it was just a year ago where he had some douchebag talking about cancel culture after he accused AEW and Amanda for covering up Brodie having COVID.. but this is super refreshing to hear from Dave.
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Post by Blade on Jan 3, 2022 7:01:31 GMT -5
"Those who are over will get more tv time, the guys who aren't won't whoever it is...the purpose is to find those who draw but some people don't care about any of that and don't care if business goes down just so they have a percentage time for certain individuals."
This to me is Meltzer fundamentally Not Getting The Problem. Which is not exactly a shock, but...
Drawing power is not a stat rated between 1 to 10 and printed on your character sheet. It is a combination of a lot of factors, and one of those factors is "Who the promoter thinks will draw based on intuition/experience". And that intuition/experience is not objective.
Saying "the most over will get pushed" and pretending that will lead to equal treatment is exactly like saying "the best employees will get promoted" and thinking that will lead to equal treatment. It won't. We KNOW it won't. We have copious reams of real-world data showing this.
It is not a miraculous coincidence that every top male star Tony Khan has picked for AEW is white, including the ones that were a work in progress he kept and keeps working on. That doesn't mean he's racist in the sense of consciously discriminating. But it is absolutely is not a coincidence or a result purely of a lack of black free agents.
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Post by pinja on Jan 3, 2022 9:33:58 GMT -5
"Those who are over will get more tv time, the guys who aren't won't whoever it is...the purpose is to find those who draw but some people don't care about any of that and don't care if business goes down just so they have a percentage time for certain individuals." This to me is Meltzer fundamentally Not Getting The Problem. Which is not exactly a shock, but... Drawing power is not a stat rated between 1 to 10 and printed on your character sheet. It is a combination of a lot of factors, and one of those factors is "Who the promoter thinks will draw based on intuition/experience". And that intuition/experience is not objective. Saying "the most over will get pushed" and pretending that will lead to equal treatment is exactly like saying "the best employees will get promoted" and thinking that will lead to equal treatment. It won't. We KNOW it won't. We have copious reams of real-world data showing this. It is not a miraculous coincidence that every top male star Tony Khan has picked for AEW is white, including the ones that were a work in progress he kept and keeps working on. That doesn't mean he's racist in the sense of consciously discriminating. But it is absolutely is not a coincidence or a result purely of a lack of black free agents. Agreed. Also, saying that Tony shouldn't care about what people (on Twitter?) have to say as long as the numbers improve is bad advice. This is not about success, but about cultivating an environment from which success could grow naturally anyway. We should really get over the notion that economical success dictates what's right and what's wrong.
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Post by markymark on Jan 3, 2022 10:23:07 GMT -5
"Those who are over will get more tv time, the guys who aren't won't whoever it is...the purpose is to find those who draw but some people don't care about any of that and don't care if business goes down just so they have a percentage time for certain individuals." This to me is Meltzer fundamentally Not Getting The Problem. Which is not exactly a shock, but... Drawing power is not a stat rated between 1 to 10 and printed on your character sheet. It is a combination of a lot of factors, and one of those factors is "Who the promoter thinks will draw based on intuition/experience". And that intuition/experience is not objective. Saying "the most over will get pushed" and pretending that will lead to equal treatment is exactly like saying "the best employees will get promoted" and thinking that will lead to equal treatment. It won't. We KNOW it won't. We have copious reams of real-world data showing this. It is not a miraculous coincidence that every top male star Tony Khan has picked for AEW is white, including the ones that were a work in progress he kept and keeps working on. That doesn't mean he's racist in the sense of consciously discriminating. But it is absolutely is not a coincidence or a result purely of a lack of black free agents.
Its not his fault the POC people he brought(like Andrade) were struggling, remember how everyone were calling him a bust because of the Sydal match ? and then the whole Ric Flair DSOTR Fiasco, another example is Shotty when his run in closed Dynamite and he was also crapped on...
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 3, 2022 10:26:15 GMT -5
"Those who are over will get more tv time, the guys who aren't won't whoever it is...the purpose is to find those who draw but some people don't care about any of that and don't care if business goes down just so they have a percentage time for certain individuals." This to me is Meltzer fundamentally Not Getting The Problem. Which is not exactly a shock, but... Drawing power is not a stat rated between 1 to 10 and printed on your character sheet. It is a combination of a lot of factors, and one of those factors is "Who the promoter thinks will draw based on intuition/experience". And that intuition/experience is not objective. Saying "the most over will get pushed" and pretending that will lead to equal treatment is exactly like saying "the best employees will get promoted" and thinking that will lead to equal treatment. It won't. We KNOW it won't. We have copious reams of real-world data showing this. It is not a miraculous coincidence that every top male star Tony Khan has picked for AEW is white, including the ones that were a work in progress he kept and keeps working on. That doesn't mean he's racist in the sense of consciously discriminating. But it is absolutely is not a coincidence or a result purely of a lack of black free agents. Its not his fault the POC people he brought(like Andrade) were struggling, remember how everyone were calling him a bust because of the Sydal match ? and then the whole Fiasco, another example is Shotty when his run in closed Dynamite and he was also crapped on...
If he was booking, it was totally Tony Khan's fault for putting a barely known entity like Lee Johnson in the "big main event save" spot. Nobody cared because he hadn't given us a reason to care.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 3, 2022 10:57:02 GMT -5
Its not his fault the POC people he brought(like Andrade) were struggling, remember how everyone were calling him a bust because of the Sydal match ? and then the whole Fiasco, another example is Shotty when his run in closed Dynamite and he was also crapped on...
If he was booking, it was totally Tony Khan's fault for putting a barely known entity like Lee Johnson in the "big main event save" spot. Nobody cared because he hadn't given us a reason to care. Like, I kind of hate to say it, but at this point, it'd help if they'd get those people out of the Codyverse (ex : Johnson) or QT Marshall (ex : Ogogo, even with him making a mess of things on Twitter) 's orbits.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 3, 2022 11:02:46 GMT -5
Its not his fault the POC people he brought(like Andrade) were struggling, remember how everyone were calling him a bust because of the Sydal match ? and then the whole Fiasco, another example is Shotty when his run in closed Dynamite and he was also crapped on...
If he was booking, it was totally Tony Khan's fault for putting a barely known entity like Lee Johnson in the "big main event save" spot. Nobody cared because he hadn't given us a reason to care. Did they ever give Lee Johnson any character vignettes or was it just commentary telling us "hey, he's important because he's in the Nightmare Family"?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 3, 2022 11:04:07 GMT -5
If he was booking, it was totally Tony Khan's fault for putting a barely known entity like Lee Johnson in the "big main event save" spot. Nobody cared because he hadn't given us a reason to care. Did they ever give Lee Johnson any character vignettes or was it just commentary telling us "hey, he's important because he's in the Nightmare Family"? If I recall correctly, and I'll admit it's been a few months, they just awkwardly played his music for a bit, he came out and then commentary tried to care. It was one of the few absolutely flat endings in AEW Dynamite history.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 3, 2022 11:20:48 GMT -5
If he was booking, it was totally Tony Khan's fault for putting a barely known entity like Lee Johnson in the "big main event save" spot. Nobody cared because he hadn't given us a reason to care. Like, I kind of hate to say it, but at this point, it'd help if they'd get those people out of the Codyverse (ex : Johnson) or QT Marshall (ex : Ogogo, even with him making a mess of things on Twitter) 's orbits. Well Ogogo is more because he literally literally wasnt available since the cody feud until last month. But I do think QT's focus should be on Ogogo now,he should be playing the scummy coach living through his star pupil to Ogogo But yeh the Codyverse is completely useless to anyone around Cody,the closest we got as Lee Johnson getting pissed off with Cody and winning the tag match and then nothing.
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