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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 4, 2022 23:39:32 GMT -5
So that triple threat match was awful. Mandy is just not that good a wrestler and is an awful promo, Raquel needs someone that will sell their asses off for her because otherwise she sucks, Cora Jade is green and has potential but is being pushed too hard too soon without actually getting the fans genuinely behind her as a Bayley-esque underdog.
The women's division is looking like it's about to be raided as the main roster women's divisions are the drizzling shits right now but that will have a terrible effect on NXT.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 4, 2022 23:44:41 GMT -5
It wasn't a good match and was by far the worst of the night. And I like two of the three a good bit. Just very sloppy with poor execution on pretty much everything. Mandy in particular looked pretty bad I thought. However that's what happens when you don't have a good worker who can take charge. Cora is very young and green and the other two aren't exactly ring generals. It was basically the blind leading the blind leading the blind.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 4, 2022 23:50:04 GMT -5
I know what the inevitable solution that will be suggested is... Put the belt back on Shirai and keep it on her until they can find a female wrestler better than one of the best female wresters of all time. SIMPLE.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 4, 2022 23:55:47 GMT -5
I know what the inevitable solution that will be suggested is... Put the belt back on Shirai and keep it on her until they can find a female wrestler better than one of the best female wresters of all time. SIMPLE. That'll be just as bad IMHO. Io has done everything that she could in NXT and has gotten pretty stale.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 0:09:09 GMT -5
Iād book the whole thing around Gigi Dolin, but thatās just me.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 5, 2022 0:24:49 GMT -5
I know what the inevitable solution that will be suggested is... Put the belt back on Shirai and keep it on her until they can find a female wrestler better than one of the best female wresters of all time. SIMPLE. Io should be on the main roster at this point. They need her there a lot more there. Strapping the rocket to her on Raw and Smackdown and making her a new main eventer on one of those shows would be refreshing as them pushing nobody but the same five women for the last seven years has gotten super super boring at this point. They already screwed up Rhea Ripley, they aren't ever going to do anything substantial with Liv Morgan, and the rest of the roster is mostly made up of boring veterans (Natlya, Tamina, Carmella etc.) who are just as stale as the main event women are. I know she's the best talent on NXT but Io as champion just really doesn't interest me at all. It's very been there done that. She just had a long title run where she pretty much beat every one. Putting the title on her would be just be more of the same. The matches would definitely be a lot better but stoyline wise it would be kind of dull. I like workrate and I think it's definitely important but if there isn't a good storyline backing it, it's hard for me to care. With Toxic Attraction while the matches aren't that good (or at least when it's just Mandy by herself as I think their tag stuff especially the few six woman tags they've had have been fairly good) it is kind of intriguing in that a heel stable dominating and holding all the belts isn't something they've really ever done before with the women's division. For once it's actually something kind of fresh. It's more interesting as far as wondering how it's going to play out. Who is going to be the one to dethrone Mandy? When are the first chinks in the armor going to show up? Is there going to be in fighting with maybe one of the minions (preferably Gigi) going face and rebelling against Mandy and the group getting derailed in that way? It's too bad Mandy isn't better in the ring because I think the foundation and potential of them as a heel group and them being the central part of storylines in the division is really good. Unfortunately the in ring just isn't backing it up.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 5, 2022 0:34:00 GMT -5
I donāt trust the main roster at all with Io.
There booking for the women has Ben atrocious since at least Summerslam.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 5, 2022 0:41:05 GMT -5
The important question that you have to ask with these hypotheticals, and I canāt stress how important this isā¦ Would you be OK as a fan of this particular wrestler if their role for the foreseeable future was to be the strong worker thatās there to help guide the rookies? If so, then thatās all well and good, but for pretty much everyone suitable for the role, thereās a āYeah, butā for all of them. Keep in mind that you canāt just make them glorified jobbers, they will have to win some of these matches:
*Any of the Horsewomen? Yeah, but most people are either sick of them getting any push whatsoever (Flair, Lynch) or see NXT as beneath them at this point (Banks, Bayley) *Asuka/Belair/Morgan/Baszler/Ripley/A.S.H.? Yeah, but people still want them to get their proper push on the main roster first *Natalya? Yeah, but sheās stale AF and lame *Shirai/Kai/KLR? Yeah, but they deserve their shot on the main roster
You see what I mean? You need people that are good enough to be actually useful in the role, but not too good that they ādeserve betterā.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 5, 2022 2:48:27 GMT -5
The scarlet haired goddess of the Scottish highlands, Kay Lee Ray needs to take her rightful place on the throne of NXT.
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Post by mistery on Jan 5, 2022 6:02:51 GMT -5
Here's the thing about Io as champion that people are overlooking. Yes some people may find her stale. But the fact of the matter is that she is stupidly popular. The vast majority of her segments do incredibly well in the ratings. And she tends to generally come across as someone younger girls/women can look up to because she isn't portrayed as an over the top sex icon, and is portrayed more as a badass.
Is she maybe a little stale to some? Yeah. But the big difference between her and Mandy is that she is actually well liked by fans, and while she beats a lot of the women she faces, they still come out of it looking really good. Where you can't say the same with Raquel and Mandy's stuff.
No one is saying the next champion needs to be better than Io Shirai (because I don't think that is possible now). But they absolutely should put the title back on her until they find another actual woman who can bring in viewers and is good in the ring. Because Raquel is average, and Mandy is basically a lost cause at this point because she hasn't improved at all in nearly four or five years. It's not that hard to say that if Io is going to remain in NXT, then they should strap her up. Because she will do a hell of a lot more to help greener women than Mandy or Raquel ever will.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 5, 2022 6:19:57 GMT -5
One God. One Sarray.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 5, 2022 6:25:04 GMT -5
The growing pains and cross purposes of NXT as a prime time cable wrestling show and as a weekly student show meant to focus more strongly on people learning how to wrestle is bound to create these issues. Io was great for ratings, but the current NXT isn't looking for ratings and it's streamlined everything, except the idea of watching people who aren't that good at wrestling is a problem. I don't think any even semi-homegrown talents are going to be allowed to develop and grow as long as the Horsewomen did; they'll be called up well before they reach that level with their work and another Sasha vs. Bayley iron man level match isn't happening. At least right now, the division even has Io. The second she gets her failed main roster call-up or gets culled entirely, the division won't even have that to lean back on.
But there's an argument to be made for letting your champion be someone really good who can teach the women she works with, and keeping her working with lots of them. It may be unreasonable to hold an expectation that someone "better" than Io is going to come around, but it's not super reasonable to keep one of the top women in the world stuck on this current format of NXT either. Having her be Just A Name in a division full of greenhorns and people who were kicked back from the main roster to keep developing is patent insanity in ways it at least wasn't when NXT had the veneer of trying to be an alternative show.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 5, 2022 6:47:19 GMT -5
It's still arguably in a better place than Smackdown's division right now depending on if Sasha is injured, but the days of them being the top North American women's division are far, far behind them.
Honestly, Mandy wasn't the problem in that match. Cora is just not even remotely ready for title matches. My hope is that this was just giving her a taste of the top before seasoning her in the midcard, but with how boring Raquel is, I guess she wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, either.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 5, 2022 6:52:24 GMT -5
It's still arguably in a better place than Smackdown's division right now depending on if Sasha is injured, but the days of them being the top North American women's division are far, far behind them. Honestly, Mandy wasn't the problem in that match. Cora is just not even remotely ready for title matches. My hope is that this was just giving her a taste of the top before seasoning her in the midcard, but with how boring Raquel is, I guess she wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, either. Don't know whose fault it was but it seemed like there was a lot of blown spots between Cora and Mandy including the finish which came off really awkward. Raquel was fine for the most part.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 5, 2022 8:07:24 GMT -5
Cora is really green
Mandy is not nearly as bad as some people argue imo. But sheās also not a woman who can automatically carry a super green wrestler either.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 5, 2022 8:12:44 GMT -5
its almost like the instant focus back on sex appeal killed the division and what it stood for instantly...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 8:19:59 GMT -5
WWE is in a complete shit or get off the pot situation with the NXT women and Shirai.
You either keep her in NXT and put her back to the top of the division and let her bring every other woman up like she has always consistently done.
Or you can let the women of NXT sink or swim by calling Io up to the main roster.
Matches amongst the women like lastnight only seek to continually increase Io's value though so.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 5, 2022 9:10:56 GMT -5
It's not just the NXT women's division that's stagnating.
With Bayley and Asuka on the DL, and Charlotte and Becky just spinning their wheels on top, interest in the main roster women's division is being stifled. And we know who's responsible for the slow death.
John Laurinaitis is still making decisions for the women based solely on sex appeal, and with no regard for in-ring talent or prowess on the mic. There is no incentive for the women to get better as long as Johnny needs to feel a boner at all times. They will be incentive for certain women to look for the exits as their contracts wind down.
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Post by msc on Jan 5, 2022 9:43:37 GMT -5
As a developmental division, Io Shirai, Dakota etc shouldn't be near it, they should be on Smackdown or RAW. That Smackdown and RAW book people badly is besides the point.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 5, 2022 10:21:11 GMT -5
I donāt trust the main roster at all with Io. There booking for the women has Ben atrocious since at least Summerslam. What, you don't wanna see Ric Flair's daughter squash Io over and over until she gets fed up and goes back to Japan? Alternate thread title: "WWE's Women's divisions are really in dire straits huh"
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