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Post by Chiral on Mar 7, 2022 0:20:32 GMT -5
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2022 0:21:09 GMT -5
In character, Ruby would have every right to be ticked off.
She had Britt beat during their title match, and only lost due to the goons interfering. And TK did nothing about it then and Ruby has not sniffed a title shot since then.
But Rosa immediately gets put in a #1 Contender’s Match for the same circumstances?
Consistency Tony?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 7, 2022 0:22:39 GMT -5
I don't know what the blind spot is with Britt. They love her, and she's good, but they just don't really seem to be able to do interesting things with her booking. They just throw her out there and expect her to kill it, but very few wrestlers can do that on their own. I mean...that's low key how they've booked all of their main event men, by all accounts. Throw them out there to do their thing and they kill it. Britt's as over as some of the wrestlers that Khan does that with, but she has maybe half the experience of some of them and this run is her first time really doing that sort of thing on TV. I'll say it til it's not true: the flaws of the women's booking are the same flaws in the men's booking, they just don't have the benefit of wrestlers who've perfected their thing on TV for years. Even Deeb and Shida have had to adapt to the specifics of US TV, with Deeb spending the last year becoming a whole new character and Shida just sort of accruing a fandom by way of being really good without any character beyond "has a shinai and really good at wrestling."
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 7, 2022 0:25:13 GMT -5
This title reign really needed more variety, and Thunder Rosa needed more everything from about April to November last year. I'm not even upset about it because of two more weeks of this reign - like, that's whatever. It's that the result and execution were just so samey and limp, and it felt to me like the wrestlers themselves were having a weaker match because of it - this was like the first Punk/Joe draw without the novelty (and in fact, with the opposite of novelty), where everything was careful and the escalation didn't go past a certain point. ...and oof, burning Leyla Hirsch on a number one contender's match on top of that? Who else is going to be Rosa's first defense, then, unless Nyla Rose is just the designated first defense forever now? It's Rose or Ruby. I think you run Rosa vs Ruby because you can piggyback off All Out with it, and it'd be a fantastic face vs face type of feud. And then you run into Soho choking again. Having her lose three title shots in just over six months would be a pretty solid way to tell everyone that ultimately she doesn't matter.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2022 0:27:51 GMT -5
Deliberately giving fans a wet fart of an ending to a PPV match, the SAME ending they got tired of months ago, just to run a rematch back on TV, is probably the most Vince McMahon thing Tony has done so far.
They could have just had Rosa go into SA as champion to celebrate, maybe do her vs. Leyla there (also how TF is this fair to Leyla either BTW)?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 0:27:52 GMT -5
It's Rose or Ruby. I think you run Rosa vs Ruby because you can piggyback off All Out with it, and it'd be a fantastic face vs face type of feud. And then you run into Soho choking again. Having her lose three title shots in just over six months would be a pretty solid way to tell everyone that ultimately she doesn't matter. Then perhaps Nyla, or Deeb, who is also right there
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 0:28:36 GMT -5
Deliberately giving fans a wet fart of an ending to a PPV match, the SAME ending they got tired of months ago, just to run a rematch back on TV, is probably the most Vince McMahon thing Tony has done so far. They could have just had Rosa go into SA as champion to celebrate, maybe do her vs. Leyla there (also how TF is this fair to Leyla either BTW)? Leyla was never going to go for the belt right now. Her feud with Statlander and Velvet is clearly not over.
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Post by LastCall on Mar 7, 2022 0:28:40 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, they're going to stall Leyla's momentum too just to get to San Antonio.
Like she just got a big win against Statlander and now she's gonna take a loss to Rosa.
All because they didn't think it was the right time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 0:30:25 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, they're going to stall Leyla's momentum too just to get to San Antonio. Like she just got a big win against Statlander and now she's gonna take a loss to Rosa. All because they didn't think it was the right time. But it wasnt? She cheated to beat Statlander and even their feud at 1-1... there's no way that's over? I didn't think Leyla was going for the world title period, especially after how that match ended.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2022 0:30:34 GMT -5
Deliberately giving fans a wet fart of an ending to a PPV match, the SAME ending they got tired of months ago, just to run a rematch back on TV, is probably the most Vince McMahon thing Tony has done so far. They could have just had Rosa go into SA as champion to celebrate, maybe do her vs. Leyla there (also how TF is this fair to Leyla either BTW)? Leyla was never going to go for the belt right now. Her feud with Statlander and Velvet is clearly not over. In story that does not matter. She beat two former contenders, why should she need to beat a woman who just lost her title shot? They have never done that before. This whole thing is a mess if you put any thought into it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 0:32:22 GMT -5
Leyla was never going to go for the belt right now. Her feud with Statlander and Velvet is clearly not over. In story that does not matter. She beat two former contenders, why should she need to beat a woman who just lost her title shot? They have never done that before. This whole thing is a mess if you put any thought into it. They have absolutely done contenders matches before and matches for ranking placement. But whatever, it's not like Leyla can't handle the loss imo, as again... didn't see her going for the world title right now anyway
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Post by petef3 on Mar 7, 2022 0:35:50 GMT -5
To me, Rosa getting a contenders' match immediately after losing--regardless of how--just seems like the promotion bailing the babyface out. It actually might have put the promotion over more if they said, "Okay, enough bullsh*t with Baker's goons--because of the nature of the victory, Rosa gets a rematch at St. Patrick's Day Slam in a cage [or with Hayter and Rebel banned from the building, or whatever]," instead of going through the rigamarole of having her have to go through Hirsch at all. How about some actual consequences for heel actions for once?
I'll admit, the announcement of that match mollified me a bit after the result of the title match. But there still had to be a better way if you just HAD ot have Rosa win the title in her hometown.
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Post by holyshida on Mar 7, 2022 0:36:02 GMT -5
then do Britt v Mercedes then. Rosa just looks like a chump here. Can you imagine Britt losing at double or nothing to Shida then winning it in Pittsburgh when Dynamite was there a month later. Of course not. I'm honestly fed up of this entire women's division. In fact I'm not even going to call it the womens division anymore I'm just going to call it the Baker/Cargill division where every babyface is a f***ing loser Jesus christ, if people don't want to actually have a conversation and want to do this, then I'm out of this thread too. Hoping this ends in two weeks as expected though, that's my hope, or I'll be pissed too. A conversation about what exactly?? All I'm saying is that TK has only went Allin on 2 Women in the division. That's clearly obvious
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Post by Heartbreaker on Mar 7, 2022 0:36:14 GMT -5
This division is a joke. Every single time somebody talks about the problems, there's the insistence that it'll "get better" when this promotion is into it's fourth year. Or they'll talk about the pandemic, like we don't have so many women on the US scene already. Britt Baker is basically the reign of terror Triple H at this point. It certainly doesn't help in kayfabe nobody seems to give a shit that she's always having her goons help her. You'd think by now maybe TK or someone would ban them from ringside, but I guess she's his darling in kayfabe, as well as real life.
When Rosa does win the title, why should we even care? There's nobody for her to have a meaningful feud with. I've seen suggestions for Serena, but personally, I find her to be so boring. Other than Serena? Maybe Nyla? The f***ing Bunny? Jamie Hayter? But what has she even done besides help Britt win? I don't think she's said one word on TV ever since she debuted. There's no point of bringing in the likes of Toni Storm, Mia Yim and Tegan Nox because they'll probably get thrown onto Dark like Ruby Soho.
You know, one of Big Swole's criticism about AEW was the lack of diversity and also how her daughter stopped watching because there was nobody for her to relate to. They are only focusing on the 19 - 49 (mostly white) male demo. Why would female fans be interested in watching AEW when it's clear there's no direction or care for the women's division? Why do you think WWE has more women fans? Of course this discussion got buried when Tony Khan decided to be a little bitch on Twitter and completely bury Swole.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2022 0:36:55 GMT -5
Jesus christ, if people don't want to actually have a conversation and want to do this, then I'm out of this thread too. Hoping this ends in two weeks as expected though, that's my hope, or I'll be pissed too. A conversation about what exactly?? All I'm saying is that TK has only went Allin on 2 Women in the division. That's clearly obvious Rosa's winning the belt in two weeks, that's what I'm hanging my hat on, that's where I'm leaving the convo If it doesn't happen, I'll be as pissed off as you are, trust me lmfao
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 7, 2022 0:40:52 GMT -5
Honestly even when Rosa actually does win the belt I'm still not going to be immediately convinced they actually care about her. Could very easily end up like Shida's reign where she just does nothing while Britt continues to be the one getting all the screentime.
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Post by holyshida on Mar 7, 2022 0:43:03 GMT -5
A conversation about what exactly?? All I'm saying is that TK has only went Allin on 2 Women in the division. That's clearly obvious Rosa's winning the belt in two weeks, that's what I'm hanging my hat on, that's where I'm leaving the convo If it doesn't happen, I'll be as pissed off as you are, trust me lmfao Well I agree with you that she should lose in 2 weeks, but should've happened tonight. In fact we're 3 months past her title Reigns sell by date by now. Rosa will be 1-2 against Britt in singles matches at the start of her reign
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Post by Blade on Mar 7, 2022 0:44:13 GMT -5
I just want this division to stop being an endless quagmire of misery where the only end goals are to make Britt and Jade look good, even as neither one is seemingly capable of actually having a good match at this point. For the record, I at least thought Tay had a quite good match with Jade at the PPV.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 7, 2022 0:46:06 GMT -5
Rosa pinned and tapped out Britt, she has an argument for another shot. Now doing this match this close to the rematch date is questionable but the whole story surrounding these two is logical.
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Post by holyshida on Mar 7, 2022 0:46:53 GMT -5
This division is a joke. Every single time somebody talks about the problems, there's the insistence that it'll "get better" when this promotion is into it's fourth year. Or they'll talk about the pandemic, like we don't have so many women on the US scene already. Britt Baker is basically the reign of terror Triple H at this point. It certainly doesn't help in kayfabe nobody seems to give a shit that she's always having her goons help her. You'd think by now maybe TK or someone would ban them from ringside, but I guess she's his darling in kayfabe, as well as real life. When Rosa does win the title, why should we even care? There's nobody for her to have a meaningful feud with. I've seen suggestions for Serena, but personally, I find her to be so boring. Other than Serena? Maybe Nyla? The f***ing Bunny? Jamie Hayter? But what has she even done besides help Britt win? I don't think she's said one word on TV ever since she debuted. There's no point of bringing in the likes of Toni Storm, Mia Yim and Tegan Nox because they'll probably get thrown onto Dark like Ruby Soho. You know, one of Big Swole's criticism about AEW was the lack of diversity and also how her daughter stopped watching because there was nobody for her to relate to. They are only focusing on the 19 - 49 (mostly white) male demo. Why would female fans be interested in watching AEW when it's clear there's no direction or care for the women's division? Why do you think WWE has more women fans? Of course this discussion got buried when Tony Khan decided to be a little bitch on Twitter and completely bury Swole. The talent isn't actually the issue with the division. The division is actually really good when it comes to talent, it's loaded. That's what's incredibly frustrating for me as a fan. There's like 20+ Women in the division, how many of them are actually used to their max potential. Maybe 4 or 5, there's only 2 Women TK has really got behind. That's the issue
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