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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 11, 2022 16:47:17 GMT -5
As much as people would go, "Oh, when Cena's gone you'll miss him!" during his peak... Nope. No, I absolutely don't miss him and could comfortably live with never seeing one of his matches ever again. Same goes for Roman, whenever he goes to Hollywood I'm absolutely never going to want to watch him wrestle again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 17:12:28 GMT -5
The Orange Cassidy gimmick sucks. People in this thread complaining about worked shoot promos taking you out of the show? How about a guy standing with his hands in his pockets and delivering kicks that look like he's trying to nudge the dog to move over a little, and the opponent has to sell it like it's painful. I don't get it. I'm OK with wrestling voodoo priests and evil wrestling tax collectors, but Orange Cassidy I just find stupid. A fair point to be fair but I haven't ever seen anyone sell those kicks as painful. Correct me if I'm wrong but they usually get a "WTF man?" reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 17:15:15 GMT -5
As much as people would go, "Oh, when Cena's gone you'll miss him!" during his peak... Nope. No, I absolutely don't miss him and could comfortably live with never seeing one of his matches ever again. Same goes for Roman, whenever he goes to Hollywood I'm absolutely never going to want to watch him wrestle again. Funny enough, I actually prefer Cena in movies. Like I will go out of my way to watch a movie with John Cena in it. At worst, you will have a watchable comedy or action film. But John Cena, the wrestling character with the bright t shirts and "This is all for the kids!" vibes? Miss me with all of it. I have no desire to ever see another one of his matches.... Unless he shocks the world and shows up in AEW or something. I feel I would have loved Cena if he turned heel like Roman did. But we have been watching the same character do the same things since 2005 now. That is 17 years.
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Post by Venti on Jan 11, 2022 17:47:20 GMT -5
I find AEW to be absolutely not good at all no matter how many times I've tried it. It's everything I dislike about wrestling today.
I think HBK was better in the 90's than the 2000's. But just by a bit. Post comeback Shawn is still great imo.
The closest thing to a perfect pro wrestler imo is Steve Austin. He checked every major box to be the GOAT.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 11, 2022 18:09:16 GMT -5
R-Truth > Cena/Rock/Miz(no particular order)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:13:05 GMT -5
Randy Orton and The Miz are the two most WWE wrestlers to ever WWE wrestle.
They both suck and have been boring and annoying me for 20 and 15 respectively.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:14:04 GMT -5
Roman Reigns and Kenny Omega combined have less star power and mainstream recognition than Hacksaw Jim Duggan in the '80s. I call bullshit on that. Roman makes a cameo in a Fast and the Furious movie and there are a good dozen youtube videos with other a million views for that. Roman's social media accounts all have millions of followers. Love Hacksaw but there's no way he had comparable fame in the 80's. Hacksaw never appeared in a movie that grossed 760 million dollars. It's all apples and oranges.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:14:42 GMT -5
Wrestling in the US today is such a niche audience compared to the boom periods that online wars over who is or isn't "a draw" or how WWE and AEW are doing against each other in the ratings is just fighting over table scraps. Roman Reigns and Kenny Omega combined have less star power and mainstream recognition than Hacksaw Jim Duggan in the '80s. This is sad and absolutely right...wow you nailed it. But he's not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:27:37 GMT -5
Roman Reigns and Kenny Omega combined have less star power and mainstream recognition than Hacksaw Jim Duggan in the '80s. I call bullshit on that. Roman makes a cameo in a Fast and the Furious movie and there are a good dozen youtube videos with other a million views for that. Roman's social media accounts all have millions of followers. Love Hacksaw but there's no way he had comparable fame in the 80's. Hacksaw never appeared in a movie that grossed 760 million dollars. It's all apples and oranges. “Isn’t that Rocks cousin or something?” “Yeah? I think he wrestles too” “Neat.” That’s as mainstream as Roman Reigns is. Maybe slightly bigger than Hacksaw but no where as big as Million Dollar Man or Big Boss Man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:29:30 GMT -5
I call bullshit on that. Roman makes a cameo in a Fast and the Furious movie and there are a good dozen youtube videos with other a million views for that. Roman's social media accounts all have millions of followers. Love Hacksaw but there's no way he had comparable fame in the 80's. Hacksaw never appeared in a movie that grossed 760 million dollars. It's all apples and oranges. “Isn’t that Rocks cousin or something?” “Yeah? I think he wrestles too” “Neat.” That’s as mainstream as Roman Reigns is. Maybe slightly bigger than Hacksaw but no where as big as Million Dollar Man or Big Boss Man. Except that's all anecdotal. Tell 5.7 million people that he's not main stream. Bossman being more famous than Roman is also mind boggling. Ah, whatever. Block.
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Post by thehottag on Jan 11, 2022 18:30:17 GMT -5
The biggest 'back in my day!' opinion I have is that the sets were so much better. Each show, whether it was Raw or Smackdown or Nitro, they all looked different. And the PPVs all had different themes, entrances, it was great, felt like an event. Nowadays all the shows have identical entrance setups & feel too samey.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jan 11, 2022 19:00:02 GMT -5
Roman Reigns and Kenny Omega combined have less star power and mainstream recognition than Hacksaw Jim Duggan in the '80s. I call bullshit on that. Roman makes a cameo in a Fast and the Furious movie and there are a good dozen youtube videos with other a million views for that. Roman's social media accounts all have millions of followers. Love Hacksaw but there's no way he had comparable fame in the 80's. Hacksaw never appeared in a movie that grossed 760 million dollars. It's all apples and oranges. This movie made 500 Million and that Humanoid Hacksaw was often mixed up with the main charecter en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Kong_(2005_film)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 20:01:56 GMT -5
Nakamura ain't as good as dudes be saying he is these days, he's just been on a decline since he joined the company. Sadly, it's true. Sure, the company could unlock the seal and let him go all out but he ain't gonna be like he used to be because he's older, in a new company with a new style and also the fact that he can't go like that anymore. That Sami match was the last we'd see from that Nakamura. He can put on a great match, don't get me wrong but don't expect any 5 star matches from this man if they let him do that because hey, nobody can beat Father Time. Man's about to be 42. ![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/c7/e1/fec7e1cab4247e1e6c08379ee2bbe2bc.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 20:11:58 GMT -5
This is sad and absolutely right...wow you nailed it. But he's not. well considering this is a thread called "Old Man Yells at Cloud" I think his opinion not only fits but is accurate.
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Post by peaches1 on Jan 11, 2022 20:24:40 GMT -5
Team Raw beating Nexus at Summerslam was the right call. It just shouldn't have been booked as Cena 'overcoming the odds' (it would have been a nice way to elevate Morrison or even Daniel Bryan).
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Post by Dan Royal on Jan 11, 2022 20:47:35 GMT -5
For the most part, guys like Hogan and Flair deserved to be on top as long as they were. They just had an undefinable aura about them that drew people in. You could have had them put younger talent over all you want, but that's not a magic formula to make the fans care about the new stars.
Also agree on all the arguments about ratings these days are redundant. Whether or not AEW beat WWE in the 36-51, blonde-haired Albanian lesbian demographic doesn't matter.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jan 11, 2022 20:56:47 GMT -5
Mona Madness was a better gimmick/look than Molly Holly.
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Post by justsomeguy on Jan 11, 2022 21:14:50 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels is, was, and forever will be severely overrated. I feel like mid-late '90s HBK is justifiably rated, and return HBK did himself no favors by deciding to make 65% of his offense chops, making a lot of his matches get really tedious. He still had some great matches in there, but also a good deal of kind of boring matches. Shawn was only really good with a good dance partner. Bret, Razor, Angle, 'Taker, all guys that are either better in-ring, better at their character, or both. There's a reason why whenever someone raves about Shawn in the 90s they also have to mention three or four people that were objectively more talented than HBK.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 11, 2022 21:25:41 GMT -5
WWE feuds being so hate filled and with all these weapon shots yet not an ounce of blood absolutely makes the feud/match seem considerably worse. Latest example to me of this is Seth/Edge hitting each other with 900 weapons and both looked like they were on a treadmill after the match instead of a brutal war. Obviously umpteen examples of this in the WWE the last 12 years or so, though.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 11, 2022 21:26:57 GMT -5
I feel like mid-late '90s HBK is justifiably rated, and return HBK did himself no favors by deciding to make 65% of his offense chops, making a lot of his matches get really tedious. He still had some great matches in there, but also a good deal of kind of boring matches. Shawn was only really good with a good dance partner. Bret, Razor, Angle, 'Taker, all guys that are either better in-ring, better at their character, or both. There's a reason why whenever someone raves about Shawn in the 90s they also have to mention three or four people that were objectively more talented than HBK. I'd put Bret over HBK, but Angle around the same level of HBK, just different reasons. Angle has always had great character work and enormous talent, but sometimes, the psychology really takes a dip, most notably in TNA. Still, overall, Angle obviously had a hugely successful career for a reason.
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