Your personal “Old Man Yells At Cloud” opinion

[Jonathan Michaels]

What is the thing where it seems like people tend to disagree with you, but you know you’re right, damn it!

At first I would have considered the HHH/Sting match at WM31, but I have Sting on my side for that one.

The one that truly has me yelling at you kids to get off my lawn is Wrestlemania XIX

It kinda sucks, y’all.

Angle/Lesnar is tainted by Bork nearly killing himself, Austin/Rock is good but probably the least of their three matches, Triple H vs Booker T………..

The undercard is severely underwhelming and, while both are solid, HBK/Y2J and Hogan/Vince aren’t enough to really push 19 out of the mid tier of Manias for me.

I’m not going to sit here and put it at the bottom 5 or anything, but I see people putting it top 3 and no, just no.

[justsomeguy]

Shawn Michaels is, was, and forever will be severely overrated.

[Mozenrath]

Jan 11, 2022 3:34:45 GMT -5 justsomeguy said:

Shawn Michaels is, was, and forever will be severely overrated.

I feel like mid-late '90s HBK is justifiably rated, and return HBK did himself no favors by deciding to make 65% of his offense chops, making a lot of his matches get really tedious. He still had some great matches in there, but also a good deal of kind of boring matches.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Wrestling in the US today is such a niche audience compared to the boom periods that online wars over who is or isn't "a draw" or how WWE and AEW are doing against each other in the ratings is just fighting over table scraps. Roman Reigns and Kenny Omega combined have less star power and mainstream recognition than Hacksaw Jim Duggan in the '80s.

[mcstoklasa]

I don't have any interest in Edge.

[Lizuka #BLM]

He was a great talent and all but I feel like the circumstances of his death led people to radically overstate how good Eddie Guerrero was.

[Bo Rida]

Bryan winning the title at wm30 wasn't that great.
He'd already proven he was the best, had won the world title but had been screwed out of it by the authority. There was nothing to stop that happening again, the authority should have been gone either as a stipulation attached to the match or on raw the next night. Instead he continues the fued by facing Kane. The win should have been a fresh start but instead he was just back to where they started.

Compare to recent Hangman arc. He overcome his anxieties and proved he's the best to win his first title. The Bucks allowed it to happen and Kenny took a break the next dynamite which means Hangman can start his reign uncumbered by his old rivals. It's far more definitive and cathartic with true progression in the story.

[Vice honcho room temperature]

I've been a crank about HHH and Randy Orton since 2000

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Jan 11, 2022 1:39:57 GMT -5 Jonathan Michaels said:

What is the thing where it seems like people tend to disagree with you, but you know you’re right, damn it!

At first I would have considered the HHH/Sting match at WM31, but I have Sting on my side for that one.

The one that truly has me yelling at you kids to get off my lawn is Wrestlemania XIX

It kinda sucks, y’all.

Angle/Lesnar is tainted by Bork nearly killing himself, Austin/Rock is good but probably the least of their three matches, Triple H vs Booker T………..

The undercard is severely underwhelming and, while both are solid, HBK/Y2J and Hogan/Vince aren’t enough to really push 19 out of the mid tier of Manias for me.

I’m not going to sit here and put it at the bottom 5 or anything, but I see people putting it top 3 and no, just no.

I kind of feel like how you feel about XIX but for Mania X-Seven. The TLC match is super good. Angle/Benoit is great but I prefer their Rumble match. Austin/Rock is great and the hype video is obviously iconic but I know that after it Austin goes on a forced heel run. Vince/Shane was a pretty run of the mill brawl. Triple H/Taker had better matches ten years later. I think people look at it wearing nostalgia goggles.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Paul Heyman's act has bored me for the past 5 years.

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The Cena/Punk 2013 Raw match was nothing special, and if it wasn't for the piledriver spot nobody would even remember it. The winner was never once in doubt and the match went long for the sake of going long.

[1 Free Moon-Down with Burger]

Jan 11, 2022 5:10:03 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

He was a great talent and all but I feel like the circumstances of his death led people to radically overstate how good Eddie Guerrero was.

I love Eddie but man my eyes nearly flew out of my head from the speed they were rolling when the Attitude Era podcast tried to say that Eddie Guerrero was ready to be a main eventer by Mania 17. f*** outta here.

My nitpick whiny opinion is and always shall be wrestlers in corny ass cosplay gear. It’s so shit that so many guys and girls think they can really sell these personal blood feuds by dressing up like a funny book character for children. “This man tried to break my neck and ruin my life. Better dress up like Captain America!”

[Aceorton]

Everything Paul Bearer and Sunny did kinda sucked.

[Gus Richlen: Ruffian]

The "pipe bomb" sucked massive amounts of ass and never needed to happen.

[Jaws the Shark]

Jan 11, 2022 3:53:04 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

Wrestling in the US today is such a niche audience compared to the boom periods that online wars over who is or isn't "a draw" or how WWE and AEW are doing against each other in the ratings is just fighting over table scraps. Roman Reigns and Kenny Omega combined have less star power and mainstream recognition than Hacksaw Jim Duggan in the '80s.

To expand on this, I can't really see why anyone outside of the office really cares much who is or isn't a draw, or what the ratings and demographics and whatever else are, and with broadcasting changing dramatically since the last ratings war I'm not sure how relevant they really are. Occasionally there's something remarkable that's interesting, but the week-by-week, hour-by-hour breakdowns of who watched what when are now deeply tedious and serve to do nothing other than feed into the irritating shit-flinging contests between people loyal to a corporate entity.

And I've never liked Randy Orton despite people banging on about what a great all-rounder he is. Perhaps it's because of my disengagement from WWE but I've never been wowed by a match he had, or a promo, or anything he's really done. Yes, he may be the "perfect wrestler" and the ideal of a professional wrestler if you built one from scratch, but if anything that actually makes me dislike him more.

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Matches with zero psychology.

Hate hate HATE it.

I just watched Sammy Guevara vs Dustin Rhodes the other night and it actually boiled my blood to see that Canadian Destroyer from the Apron through the table not end the match. Instead, it ended in a roll up and he brawled with another guy after the match!

I don't like being reminded its fake. If I'm taking a Canadian Destroyer through the table, I'm taking the next week off to sell that shit.

Wrestling is dying man.

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Jan 11, 2022 11:15:36 GMT -5 Gus Richlen: Ruffian said:

The "pipe bomb" sucked massive amounts of ass and never needed to happen.

Sadly most people's idea of a "good promo" these days is just going off script and shooting on everyone for behind the scenes stuff.

Not me.

Give me Regal's promo where he defended Eugene's honor over this worked shoot garbage any day.

[Push R Truth]

Most finishers get kicked out of much too often. It's no longer a "Finisher" if it only finishes a match like 10% of the time. I don't care if you are a jobber, your finisher should never be below 40% in effectiveness.

If finishers were protected like that, then the hopefully now rare kickout-fest matches would actually have tension. When there's like 4 kickouts during a random 20 minute TV match between Ziggler and Angel Garza, like what's the f'ing point? Ya'll are just killing the "aura" of the finisher.

[Jonathan Michaels]

Jan 11, 2022 12:19:44 GMT -5 Push R Truth said:

Most finishers get kicked out of much too often. It's no longer a "Finisher" if it only finishes a match like 10% of the time. I don't care if you are a jobber, your finisher should never be below 40% in effectiveness.

If finishers were protected like that, then the hopefully now rare kickout-fest matches would actually have tension. When there's like 4 kickouts during a random 20 minute TV match between Ziggler and Angel Garza, like what's the f'ing point? Ya'll are just killing the "aura" of the finisher.

Especially with finishers that should be more, you know, finishy, than others.

Kicking out of a Spear is one thing, but look at something like the Skull Crushing Finale, people kick out of that way too much considering what the move is supposed to do to an opponent.

It seems very odd that the SCF is so much less protected than End Of Days, as an example, since they both result in the opponent being driven face first into the mat.

[koreycaskets]

I find the only modern wrestling promotion today that excites me is NWA.