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Post by asuka007 on Jan 11, 2022 10:33:01 GMT -5
Vince and co trying to do things like it’s 1999 again.
It isn’t.
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Post by mistery on Jan 11, 2022 10:34:14 GMT -5
I mean the direction from the higher ups was to present a more "mature" product that pushes boundries. Sorta. So of course they would focus on the sex stuff. Problem is that younger fans do not care about that. Pretty sure Vince and folk told HBK to push Mandy or something as a result of it. But that’s just the thing, if the whole reboot was based on “Vince wants it like this now”, Prichard isn’t going to deviate from that. I mean overall, Toxic Attraction has been...not great for the division. At least they were being booked like cowards for the past couple of weeks while still being the central focus. Now though with Pritchard in charge, it's really likely they'll book Mandy like they do Becky and Charlotte, bulldozing over challengers and burying them promo wise as well. There is no way the NXT Women's Division is going to improve from Pritchard being in control. It's only going to get significantly worse.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 11, 2022 10:34:45 GMT -5
I’ll just keep banging my “Why the f*** wasn’t this shit happening from 2012 onwards?” drum until it breaks. Yeah it’s weird there was such a disconnect between developmental and the main roster. I mean it worked out for the fans as there was a kickass indy-style product for us to watch pre-AEW, but it definitely led to a lot of weird main roster transitions.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 11, 2022 10:37:45 GMT -5
What has Prichard said? I’ve listened to just about every one of his shows and I don’t recall anything salacious. This was shortly after the Kabuki Warriors actually formed, but basically he said he doesn't understand the appeal of Asian women, and sees them as "kabukish". It's also noteworthy that while the Kabuki Warriors on Smackdown, they were treated like complete jokes, and booked incredibly poorly. This was under Pritchard's watch. Paige has vented several times about how pissed off she was at their booking under Pritchard. When they were drafted over to RAW, they were immediately booked much more like a threat, and that was under Heyman's watch. Once Pritchard took over RAW as well, their stock fell dramatically again, and supposedly the only reason Asuka got the RAW title during the pandemic is because she was willing to fly out every week, and Vince liked her work ethic. I’ve heard him say Kabuki-ish on his show while impersonating Dusty Rhodes and referring to the Great Kabuki. I’ve never heard him say he doesn’t get the appeal of Asian women. Which episode is it?
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asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 11, 2022 10:40:04 GMT -5
Bruce and Johnny Ace have never known how to use the women well.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 11, 2022 10:43:53 GMT -5
Bruce and Johnny Ace have never known how to use the women well. Don’t think Johnny Ace has any creative power at all. He might sign talent but he doesn’t book them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 10:48:51 GMT -5
Bruce and Johnny Ace have never known how to use the women well. Don’t think Johnny Ace has any creative power at all. He might sign talent but he doesn’t book them. maybe not but that goon troop has Vinces ear and that supersedes having any individual creative power IMO.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 11, 2022 10:49:22 GMT -5
He clearly has Vince’s ear to some degree.
My point is. With this group in charge. It ain’t going to be good for the women’s division on ANY front.
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Post by ghost on Jan 11, 2022 10:59:04 GMT -5
From PWInsider: Dewey Foley, the son of WWE Hall of Famer Mick Foley and Anthony Golden Jr. Damn, I hope Mick's wife was okay with this.
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Post by Totorob101 on Jan 11, 2022 11:03:04 GMT -5
He clearly has Vince’s ear to some degree. My point is. With this group in charge. It ain’t going to be good for the women’s division on ANY front. I think we may be going back to the diva days of womens wrestling and I think Io,Sarray,Dakota and Zoey Stark are on the cusp of being released as none of them fit the new NXT or the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:16:26 GMT -5
They're really neutering this brand as much as possible.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 11, 2022 11:20:20 GMT -5
Nope. HBK was booking the show until this shift. Now Pritchard is. Right, so it was Churchy McGee writing Toxic Attraction to be sexy ladies the whole time. Then he did a damn good job since they've actually managed to get over with a good chunk of the crowd.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 11, 2022 11:20:37 GMT -5
He clearly has Vince’s ear to some degree. My point is. With this group in charge. It ain’t going to be good for the women’s division on ANY front. I mean, maybe? Bruce has been back for years now and the division hasn’t been particularly deemphasized on the main shows. They still headline shows and PPVs, and get a decent number of segments on every show. And the in-ring is still top notch. The worst part is probably the shorter matches for the undercard on weekly TV, as highlighted during the Queen’s Crown, and the releases which likely have nothing to do with Bruce.
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Post by pinja on Jan 11, 2022 11:20:50 GMT -5
Vince: "Johnny, get Russo on my writing team." Johnny Ace: "I swear, Vince, this time I know exactly who you're talking about!"
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 11, 2022 11:23:51 GMT -5
He clearly has Vince’s ear to some degree. My point is. With this group in charge. It ain’t going to be good for the women’s division on ANY front. I mean, maybe? Bruce has been back for years now and the division hasn’t been particularly deemphasized on the main shows. They still headline shows and PPVs, and get a decent number of segments on every show. And the in-ring is still top notch. The worst part is probably the shorter matches for the undercard on weekly TV, as highlighted during the Queen’s Crown, and the releases which likely have nothing to do with Bruce. The booking has, not been good though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 11:26:47 GMT -5
Johnny Russo has struck again.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 11, 2022 11:27:14 GMT -5
I mean, maybe? Bruce has been back for years now and the division hasn’t been particularly deemphasized on the main shows. They still headline shows and PPVs, and get a decent number of segments on every show. And the in-ring is still top notch. The worst part is probably the shorter matches for the undercard on weekly TV, as highlighted during the Queen’s Crown, and the releases which likely have nothing to do with Bruce. The booking has, not been good though. That’s subjective but it still at least to me doesn’t point to us returning to the women’s division of the Attitude Era or even Divas Era.
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Post by eJm on Jan 11, 2022 11:31:37 GMT -5
I’ll just keep banging my “Why the f*** wasn’t this shit happening from 2012 onwards?” drum until it breaks. Yeah it’s weird there was such a disconnect between developmental and the main roster. I mean it worked out for the fans as there was a kickass indy-style product for us to watch pre-AEW, but it definitely led to a lot of weird main roster transitions. And the thing is, a lot of this was preventable. In a weird way, it reminds me of the conflicts with Cornette and WWE during his time running OVW because for how much that place produced, it still had to be its own promotion that was on basic cable and balance it with being a WWE developmental territory so both sides had reasonable reasons for wanting things their own way. WWE needed a place to develop talent and Cornette had to also think about the fact that the WWE money could go at any time so needed to have things in place that helped it keep going. It’s also why, hey, doing developmental in house made sense. You have the means of production and, eventually, ways of distributing it (international TV tights or the WWE Network) so you could both train the next generation and have the means for people to see them wider than basic cable in Ohio and Florida. And even at the start, you couldn’t see the disconnect as much. There were international stars, sure, but there was enough recognition on the early days that WWE had people they wanted to showcase early and this was the platform to do it. Your Charlotte Flairs, your Baron Corbins etc. But then you have Bull “We have a Kevin Steen at home” Dempsey would lose emphatically to a recently signed Kevin Steen and you sort of can see the start of the direction where the PC was producing people that were mostly going to do better outside the PC and NXT was signing every free agent available to make it what it was. It’s just…all of this was preventable is what bothers me the most. I’m not saying I didn’t like the NXT we got but it was undeniable it wasn’t doing the job in signing the talent needed nor developing the people they had. Braun Strowman eventually got there on the main roster but when he was called up, he only had a handful of matches on the Florida circuit and made a great impression by stiffing Brock Lesnar in the Royal Rumble and that really shouldn’t be happening when you have him in the most advance wrestling school in the world. The same is happening with Omos and Azeez right now, two mainstays of the Florida circuit who had the same total appearances of zero NXT TV appearances. And yeah, Bianca Belair and Raquel Gonzales came through but they felt like the only true homegrown talent in a sea of people with global indie experience or people like Rhea Ripley who was an Australian indie mainstay even at her age. Everyone else was either released, stayed until they got called up after a decade there or likely still there even now. It just felt so crazy. And to me, when the agents are having trouble with the talents they get because they weren’t trained properly for that situation, that was the moment I realized that they were really reaping what they were sowing by not integrating this stuff from the off. Oh, and don’t get me started on expecting a creative team used to an hour internet show taped in blocks to be ready to write two hours of live cable television in two weeks knowing full well AEW was rumored to be on TNT pretty much since spring of 2019. The fact the show became very “Big match after big match” frankly shouldn’t have shocked anyone because what else did you expect to happen?
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 11, 2022 12:02:13 GMT -5
The plan will launch tonight. Bron Breakker is your new babyface champion & face of the brand/company. They will manage to make him as unlikeable as humanly possible. Here's hoping they can continue on with having developmental wrestlers carry the current NXT women's champion to serviceable matches too.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jan 11, 2022 12:08:08 GMT -5
RUSSO IS WRITING IN WWE(Not that one)
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