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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 4, 2022 11:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Aug 4, 2022 11:57:58 GMT -5
Look, my view on this is the same as it always has been; treat each project like its own seperate universe. Get Flash out and basically set that rule afterwards; Joker is its own continuity, The Batman is its own continuity and everything that comes after it, unless set out, is its own thing. That allows you to be able to get Keaton's Batman in something without wondering what it means to Robert Pattinson's Batman. My one rule would be, like, you can't have Pattinson's Batman have his own movie and a Keaton Batman sequel, that would just confuse people.
You'll do something Marvel isn't doing from the off which is make your projects unique and more creator-friendly without having to stick to some long-winded canon. Sure, it's a financial risk and in that fact, zero chance of happening but DC has characters where you can do that and get away with it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 4, 2022 16:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by H-Virus on Aug 4, 2022 16:11:34 GMT -5
Didn’t pretty much everyone already come to this realization about 7 years ago? |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 4, 2022 16:16:06 GMT -5
Didn’t pretty much everyone already come to this realization about 7 years ago? Everybody did, except those working at Warner Bros. And AT&T. And Discovery. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 4, 2022 16:17:17 GMT -5
Didn’t pretty much everyone already come to this realization about 7 years ago? Yeah.. that has been the problem with DC movies since at least Green Lantern. They want their big damn hero moments without f***ing earning them. something like Parallax is third movie villain at EARLIEST... the death of superman is not something you f***ing do in a universe where Superman has yet to actually have a full film where he IS Superman... Dark Knight returns is not a movie you do in the SECOND movie of your shared universe... Darkseid should have been nowhere near the first Justice League movie... etc. Zod and Doomsday should not have been first and second villains either... one is a literal what if Superman didn't have the Kent's morality... and the other again exists literally to do the Death of Superman. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 4, 2022 16:30:34 GMT -5
If I were kicking off a new DC universe... Well, one, I wouldn't start it with Superman or Green Lantern, but say I had to start with one of those, I'd kick it off with Superman (since GL has a f***ing ton of worldbuilding to do just for itself, much less everything else) and I'd put the focus on a more lowkey villain like Metallo. He'd actually be a really good one to kick things off with - you can use it to let Luthor simmer in the background a bit, it establishes the Kryptonite weakness right away, he's a distinctly earthly threat that you wouldn't really need to do a lot of broader worldbuilding for (since everyone knows what Kryptonite is), and he's someone you can't really save for too late in a series of movies because his threat level isn't really actually that high.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 4, 2022 16:45:49 GMT -5
If I were kicking off a new DC universe... Well, one, I wouldn't start it with Superman or Green Lantern, but say I had to start with one of those, I'd kick it off with Superman (since GL has a f***ing ton of worldbuilding to do just for itself, much less everything else) and I'd put the focus on a more lowkey villain like Metallo. He'd actually be a really good one to kick things off with - you can use it to let Luthor simmer in the background a bit, it establishes the Kryptonite weakness right away, he's a distinctly earthly threat that you wouldn't really need to do a lot of broader worldbuilding for (since everyone knows what Kryptonite is), and he's someone you can't really save for too late in a series of movies because his threat level isn't really actually that high. I'd start with a Superman that's already been Superman for a bit... basically do the opening Credits like the Superman Animated get the jist of his origin out of the way since EVERYONE KNOWS IT... Metallo is a decent choice for a first villain though he does require a little setup as basically a two bit criminal... whihc you can do in the first act or even just have Clark reporting on his trial... another decent choice is Parasite... could even somewhat link the two and have Corben botch a break in at STAR labs being responsible for the accident that makes Rudy into the Parasite... and have Metallo be part of the second movie with Lex ultimately being responsible for both... maybe do a post credit Scene with a Bizzaro Tease... Otherwise... if you want to start big... I'd do a Braniac invasion, which unfortunately would have to be rethought out since Snyder flat out used Braniac's methods for Zod... in taking over all communication and demanding the Kryptonian. |
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Post by Cyno on Aug 4, 2022 16:47:21 GMT -5
Arrowverse learned better from the lessons taught by the MCU than anything DCEU. It's incredible how right they got in building up a shared multiverse where the movies went so, so wrong.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 4, 2022 17:04:12 GMT -5
You can go back as far as 2013 and see people (rightfully) pointing out Warner were trying to run before they walked. When they announced Batman V Superman, barely a month after Man of Steel had come out.
Hell, back around that time, people were saying it about Sony as well, with their plans for The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
The post-Avengers rush to catch up, to have their cake all ready to eat without bothering to bake it, was always a house built on sand. Mixing my metaphors, there.
That it's still happening, nine years later, is a pretty staggering waste of time and money. And certainly direction.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 4, 2022 17:18:50 GMT -5
You can go back as far as 2013 and see people (rightfully) pointing out Warner were trying to run before they walked. When they announced Batman V Superman, barely a month after Man of Steel had come out. Hell, back around that time, people were saying it about Sony as well, with their plans for The Amazing Spider-Man 2. The post-Avengers rush to catch up, to have their cake all ready to eat without bothering to bake it, was always a house built on sand. Mixing my metaphors, there. That it's still happening, nine years later, is a pretty staggering waste of time and money. And certainly direction. well on the BVS front it has since come out that it was entirely Snyder's idea to push Batman and Wonderwoman into what was supposed to be Man of Steel 2. |
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Aug 4, 2022 17:39:35 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Aug 4, 2022 17:44:03 GMT -5
Hey hey hey, let’s be fair here. Sony also wants you to watch Spider-Man: No Way Home again next month. |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 4, 2022 20:39:11 GMT -5
Just to add as well, I absolutely get the sentiment about The Flash. Ezra Miller is a liability and if they can take them out of the movie or find a replacement in re-shoots, they should. But I’m seeing the whole “They chose ___ over _____” and 1) there isn’t a guarantee they aren’t going to axe that as well (Hollywood Reporter said the decision hasn’t been made yet) and 2) You’re basically saying “I’d rather the first Hispanic Supergirl suffer than the first Hispanic Batgirl” which even if you don’t mean it that way, that’s the Sophie’s Choice you’re proposing and that’s what sucks the most about this. Keaton will be fine, Miller (for now, somehow) will be fine, Simmons will be fine but there’s no guarantee Leslie Grace or (if it were to happen) Antje Traue will get work in those roles again or any kind of work for a while because of their associations with those movies. Coming back to this, because it's been just bouncing around in my head all day: Flash looks to be safe (for now), but had they cancelled it, and the subsequent Supergirl solo (still TBD), and the Blue Beetle series we haven't heard word about yet, the only Hispanic representation in the DCEU would be Renee Montoya, El Diablo, and the villains of Suicide Squad 2. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 4, 2022 21:56:53 GMT -5
Just to add as well, I absolutely get the sentiment about The Flash. Ezra Miller is a liability and if they can take them out of the movie or find a replacement in re-shoots, they should. But I’m seeing the whole “They chose ___ over _____” and 1) there isn’t a guarantee they aren’t going to axe that as well (Hollywood Reporter said the decision hasn’t been made yet) and 2) You’re basically saying “I’d rather the first Hispanic Supergirl suffer than the first Hispanic Batgirl” which even if you don’t mean it that way, that’s the Sophie’s Choice you’re proposing and that’s what sucks the most about this. Keaton will be fine, Miller (for now, somehow) will be fine, Simmons will be fine but there’s no guarantee Leslie Grace or (if it were to happen) Antje Traue will get work in those roles again or any kind of work for a while because of their associations with those movies. Coming back to this, because it's been just bouncing around in my head all day: Flash looks to be safe (for now), but had they cancelled it, and the subsequent Supergirl solo (still TBD), and the Blue Beetle series we haven't heard word about yet, the only Hispanic representation in the DCEU would be Renee Montoya, El Diablo, and the villains of Suicide Squad 2. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Viola Davis is hispanic?!  seriously though Isn't Ratcatcher Hispanic? not that it makes the list THAT much better but still. |
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Post by Cyno on Aug 4, 2022 22:19:21 GMT -5
There's also a difference between a latinx actor being in a supporting role and the starring one. I love Sasha Calle from her time as Lola on Young And The Restless, and I have a lot of faith she'll be a good Supergirl. But she's still playing second fiddle at best to Ezra Miller's crazy ass while the film starring Lessie Grace front and center is being canned.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 5, 2022 0:19:48 GMT -5
Didn’t pretty much everyone already come to this realization about 7 years ago? Yeah.. that has been the problem with DC movies since at least Green Lantern. They want their big damn hero moments without f***ing earning them. something like Parallax is third movie villain at EARLIEST... the death of superman is not something you f***ing do in a universe where Superman has yet to actually have a full film where he IS Superman... Dark Knight returns is not a movie you do in the SECOND movie of your shared universe... Darkseid should have been nowhere near the first Justice League movie... etc. Zod and Doomsday should not have been first and second villains either... one is a literal what if Superman didn't have the Kent's morality... and the other again exists literally to do the Death of Superman.
You don't introduce Lex Luthor in the 2nd movie, you put him in the 1st. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 5, 2022 0:26:41 GMT -5
Yeah.. that has been the problem with DC movies since at least Green Lantern. They want their big damn hero moments without f***ing earning them. something like Parallax is third movie villain at EARLIEST... the death of superman is not something you f***ing do in a universe where Superman has yet to actually have a full film where he IS Superman... Dark Knight returns is not a movie you do in the SECOND movie of your shared universe... Darkseid should have been nowhere near the first Justice League movie... etc. Zod and Doomsday should not have been first and second villains either... one is a literal what if Superman didn't have the Kent's morality... and the other again exists literally to do the Death of Superman.
You don't introduce Lex Luthor in the 2nd movie, you put him in the 1st. I think it depends on what you're wanting to do. I don't really see anything wrong with Luthor not being in Man of Steel (though that's not to defend either MoS or when they eventually did use Luthor), because that movie was long enough as it was and he would've added nothing to it plus he'd been overexposed in Superman movies to that point. That said I think you'd be best off having him turn up in the first one but keep him simmering on the backburner rather than immediately making him the main threat. Even if it's just by way of being responsible for whoever the villain is, don't think there should be a point in the first movie where he and Superman come into direct conflict. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 5, 2022 9:49:56 GMT -5
I'd say they're a lock for a Phase Five movie.
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Post by burdette25159 on Aug 5, 2022 10:49:42 GMT -5
I'd say they're a lock for a Phase Five movie. Will the Batgirl actress join the MCU for Phase 5? |
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