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Post by greyfmdan on Jan 16, 2022 12:15:37 GMT -5
Interesting to note from Meltzer is this is aimed at scaring advertisers off AEW. Note that dominoes never came back after the Gage thing. So whilst the fanbase might roll their eyes it could put off potential advertisers. Bare in mind that AEW has moved to TBS because whilst they're happy with the rating they're not necessarily pulling in the advertising rates that the NHL does, despite better ratings. I can definitely believe this. But Vince isn’t the only one who can play this game. And WWE is engaged in enough stuff even now that might raise some advertisers’ eyebrows if brought into a more public light.
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Post by r. on Jan 16, 2022 12:26:55 GMT -5
As long as they keep the more violent matches as one-offs or rare they should be fine.
As for his self-mutilation line, WWE is also the company that had one man put a screwdriver through another man's ear and try to twist it off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 12:29:57 GMT -5
I'll give it this, that description does make me mildly curious to see that tag match when before I was perfectly comfortable forgetting it existed. I'm the same. Like, I'm one of those guys who bitches about the Bunny constantly, and all this does is have me go "at least she busted her ass and got people engaged, plus you noticed". Here's the thing... AEW isn't trying to directly market to WWE's audience directly; they're trying to cater to a section of wrestling fans who feel disillusioned by the offerings that WWE presents on a regular basis, and if they can somehow spin that and grow new fans out of it, then that's gravy because I'm certain some people have to be aware that the glory days aren't coming back. I get what WWE is trying to say as they are still the "face" of professional wrestling to the casual viewer and those who don't give a shit about the product, but it's coming off more like the stale corporate enterprise sending out a press release citing that these alternatives are damaging to the bottom line and should not be engaged, while WWE offers clean, safe, wholesome content that the family will love. Which is actually is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 12:35:54 GMT -5
Interesting to note from Meltzer is this is aimed at scaring advertisers off AEW. Note that dominoes never came back after the Gage thing. So whilst the fanbase might roll their eyes it could put off potential advertisers. Bare in mind that AEW has moved to TBS because whilst they're happy with the rating they're not necessarily pulling in the advertising rates that the NHL does, despite better ratings. I can definitely believe this. But Vince isn’t the only one who can play this game. And WWE is engaged in enough stuff even now that might raise some advertisers’ eyebrows if brought into a more public light. And we're talking about stuff right now, like their involvement with Saudi Arabia, the rampant firing of employees as well as wrestlers who are "independent contractors" but cannot work elsewhere despite the labeling in a time of pandemic, how their side gigs are part of their downside instead of extra income, and the re-introduction of controversial figures like Johnny Ace to positions of power. Vince likes to be petty, but he's only petty when he can get away with it. If he's wounded, he'll suddenly cry about how people are putting his family out of business.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jan 16, 2022 12:39:20 GMT -5
As long as they keep the more violent matches as one-offs or rare they should be fine. As for his self-mutilation line, WWE is also the company that had one man put a screwdriver through another man's ear and try to twist it off. That Randy Orton-Jeff Hardy angle was a little to squeamish for me when it aired and still far worse than the blading I've seen on AEW
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Jan 16, 2022 13:15:15 GMT -5
I choose to believe the Gory Self-Mutilation is a lesser known move of the Guerrero family, like the Gory Special and the Gory Bomb.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 13:28:26 GMT -5
Interesting to note from Meltzer is this is aimed at scaring advertisers off AEW. Note that dominoes never came back after the Gage thing. So whilst the fanbase might roll their eyes it could put off potential advertisers. Bare in mind that AEW has moved to TBS because whilst they're happy with the rating they're not necessarily pulling in the advertising rates that the NHL does, despite better ratings. I don’t believe Dominos left. Just from Meltzer, I couldn't tell you. I don't believe I've seen any domino's advertising since the Gage angle but I wouldn't know either way.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 16, 2022 13:39:42 GMT -5
I choose to believe the Gory Self-Mutilation is a lesser known move of the Guerrero family, like the Gory Special and the Gory Bomb. Gory Bomb transitioned into a Cattle Mutilation? One for Danielson to pick up as another finisher.
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Post by greyfmdan on Jan 16, 2022 13:44:44 GMT -5
I can definitely believe this. But Vince isn’t the only one who can play this game. And WWE is engaged in enough stuff even now that might raise some advertisers’ eyebrows if brought into a more public light. And we're talking about stuff right now, like their involvement with Saudi Arabia, the rampant firing of employees as well as wrestlers who are "independent contractors" but cannot work elsewhere despite the labeling in a time of pandemic, how their side gigs are part of their downside instead of extra income, and the re-introduction of controversial figures like Johnny Ace to positions of power. Vince likes to be petty, but he's only petty when he can get away with it. If he's wounded, he'll suddenly cry about how people are putting his family out of business. Oh I agree. But there’s a difference between fans talking about it on a message board, & someone in a prominent media position ratting it out to advertisers. I also think something closer to the screen is more likely to grab advertiser attention than the behind-the-scenes stuff like mass firings or Johnny Ace—though there’s certainly enough of the former to take WWE to task on, if the right person chooses to take up the cause. And I definitely agree about Vince being petty. As you said, if he gets wounded, probably he’ll whine—and a bloody women’s hardcore match or two will suddenly be performed on WWE programming if he thinks it will help heal said wound.
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Post by eJm on Jan 16, 2022 13:46:43 GMT -5
And I definitely agree about Vince being petty. As you said, if he gets wounded, probably he’ll whine—and a bloody women’s hardcore match or two will suddenly be performed on WWE programming if he thinks it will help heal said wound. I mean, dude was talking about Ted Turner having an advantage over him last year. To Shareholders. Like, he's the only guy who still cares about it because Ted Turner sure as f*** doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 13:56:29 GMT -5
And I definitely agree about Vince being petty. As you said, if he gets wounded, probably he’ll whine—and a bloody women’s hardcore match or two will suddenly be performed on WWE programming if he thinks it will help heal said wound. I mean, dude was talking about Ted Turner having an advantage over him last year. To Shareholders. Like, he's the only guy who still cares about it because Ted Turner sure as f*** doesn't. Ted Turner's most likely has forgotten due to DLB, but he's too busy eating buffalo steaks to even care anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 14:01:40 GMT -5
I choose to believe the Gory Self-Mutilation is a lesser known move of the Guerrero family, like the Gory Special and the Gory Bomb. It a modified Cattle Mutilation
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Post by greyfmdan on Jan 16, 2022 14:06:37 GMT -5
And I definitely agree about Vince being petty. As you said, if he gets wounded, probably he’ll whine—and a bloody women’s hardcore match or two will suddenly be performed on WWE programming if he thinks it will help heal said wound. I mean, dude was talking about Ted Turner having an advantage over him last year. To Shareholders. Like, he's the only guy who still cares about it because Ted Turner sure as f*** doesn't. Yeah, when I first read about that, I was like, “It’s been how many years now since Ted actually had any say in the management of the networks?” Old rivalries die hard, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 14:08:04 GMT -5
Interesting to note from Meltzer is this is aimed at scaring advertisers off AEW. Note that dominoes never came back after the Gage thing. So whilst the fanbase might roll their eyes it could put off potential advertisers. Bare in mind that AEW has moved to TBS because whilst they're happy with the rating they're not necessarily pulling in the advertising rates that the NHL does, despite better ratings. I can definitely believe this. But Vince isn’t the only one who can play this game. And WWE is engaged in enough stuff even now that might raise some advertisers’ eyebrows if brought into a more public light. True. Look at what happened a couple years ago when WWE was trying to pretend that Moolah was a feminist pioneer and was going to name the female Wrestlemania battle royal after her.
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Post by eJm on Jan 16, 2022 14:18:33 GMT -5
I mean, dude was talking about Ted Turner having an advantage over him last year. To Shareholders. Like, he's the only guy who still cares about it because Ted Turner sure as f*** doesn't. Yeah, when I first read about that, I was like, “It’s been how many years now since Ted actually had any say in the management of the networks?” Old rivalries die hard, I guess. Like, he’s the sort of guy who will write after Turner dies “He was a great competitor and took my defeat of him during the Monday Night Wars and my acquisition of WCW with great stride and respect”.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 16, 2022 14:22:16 GMT -5
And I definitely agree about Vince being petty. As you said, if he gets wounded, probably he’ll whine—and a bloody women’s hardcore match or two will suddenly be performed on WWE programming if he thinks it will help heal said wound. I mean, dude was talking about Ted Turner having an advantage over him last year. To Shareholders. Like, he's the only guy who still cares about it because Ted Turner sure as f*** doesn't. Ted Turner made his money in numerous fields and did so enjoying his life, and managed to become a major political figure, revolutionised broadcast news and became a major philanthropist in retirement, he was without a doubt a success in most things he touched and that has to eat at Vince, who'll be remembered as that wrestling guy. He's lived his life and enjoyed the fruits of his labour while Vince will no doubt die on the job, still micromanaging everything and still obsessing about the stars who left before he was done with them, and Ted Turner.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 16, 2022 14:50:36 GMT -5
Ted Turner was married to Jane Fonda at one point and Vince will never be able to top that.
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on Jan 16, 2022 15:06:17 GMT -5
Ted Turner was on Family Guy first and I heard Vince kills a dog every year that looks like Brian
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Post by eJm on Jan 16, 2022 15:48:30 GMT -5
Ted Turner was married to Jane Fonda at one point and Vince will never be able to top that. It’s why he hates Grace and Frankie even though, honestly, it’d be a show right up his ally. He’s absolutely hate Frankie, though.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Jan 16, 2022 16:12:13 GMT -5
As long as they keep the more violent matches as one-offs or rare they should be fine. As for his self-mutilation line, WWE is also the company that had one man put a screwdriver through another man's ear and try to twist it off. That Randy Orton-Jeff Hardy angle was a little to squeamish for me when it aired and still far worse than the blading I've seen on AEW It’s funny how many ppl were turned off by the ear bit. My gf has stretched lobes as well, she can do the same thing that Orton was doing to Hardy. Jeff was never really in any danger.
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