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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 21, 2022 19:14:28 GMT -5
One day someone is going to get a good lawyer to challenge WWE's contracts, and the more they pull crap like this, the sooner that day will come. The Raven/Kanyon suit failed because of the statute of limitations had expired, a current wrestler won't have that issue, and let's not forget there are sport/entertainment lawyers out there gunning for the WWE.
If Ali lawyers up, he'll be released within the week, with a slightly longer noncompete so the WWE legal team can sell it to Vince as a win.
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Post by Legion on Jan 21, 2022 19:31:31 GMT -5
One day someone is going to get a good lawyer to challenge WWE's contracts, and the more they pull crap like this, the sooner that day will come. The Raven/Kanyon suit failed because of the statute of limitations had expired, a current wrestler won't have that issue, and let's not forget there are sport/entertainment lawyers out there gunning for the WWE. If Ali lawyers up, he'll be released within the week, with a slightly longer noncompete so the WWE legal team can sell it to Vince as a win. I'd love to see it. But I don't see it happening soon. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 21, 2022 19:46:28 GMT -5
Do not agree to a contract with WWE (unless it's them or the indies) should be the lesson learned here. I think the lesson nowadays is "don't go to WWE." Full stop. Pains me to say it but WWE will always look good on any resume. There's plenty to learn about TV production, working in a huge Wrestlemania environment and other things that can add value to a wrestler's stock in spite of the dirty politics |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 21, 2022 19:47:20 GMT -5
One day someone is going to get a good lawyer to challenge WWE's contracts, and the more they pull crap like this, the sooner that day will come. The Raven/Kanyon suit failed because of the statute of limitations had expired, a current wrestler won't have that issue, and let's not forget there are sport/entertainment lawyers out there gunning for the WWE. If Ali lawyers up, he'll be released within the week, with a slightly longer noncompete so the WWE legal team can sell it to Vince as a win. The best chance of that was when Brock Lesnar challenged his no compete. WWE settled just to avoid having their contracts examined. The problems with wrestlers is that they buy into that independent stuff. A wrestler will take a settlement rather than go to court even if that would benefit everyone else long term. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 21, 2022 19:53:31 GMT -5
Do not agree to a contract with WWE (unless it's them or the indies) should be the lesson learned here. I think the lesson nowadays is "don't go to WWE." Full stop. Seriously, the Indies are just way more appealing as a whole, especially with the freedom of the Forbidden Door. |
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Post by Woo on Jan 21, 2022 20:06:06 GMT -5
Can't he just write his 4 week resignation and hand it to them?
If they then pull the "independent contractor" crap then just get a booking elsewhere and see what they do.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 21, 2022 20:30:41 GMT -5
There was that report a few months ago about how the royalties had fallen a lot, and people were really only making what their contracts said they would make. No merch bonuses, no PPV bonuses, none of that. So it seems like they're kinda giving people the shaft on the extras that were once making things far more lucrative, and I wouldn't be surprised if video game royalties were also vanishing into the ether I believe the switch has been to higher guaranteed base salary and lower numbers elsewhere. The report was saying a higher base salary but maybe not higher money overall, but the part that got me was "In most cases, the only guarantee that the talent have is whatever salary they were promised when they signed. So if they signed for $450,000 a year, that’s how much they make. In earlier times, if a wrestler signed up for that amount, that could still make upwards of $2 million or so based on merchandise sales, working on top at house shows or PPV bonuses if they “got hot.” Now, the bonuses seem to be a thing of the past. Even if the wrestler works 100 house shows or 200, no PPVs or every PPV, they will make what they are signed to make." Which definitely addresses the bit about working more shows or what happens when your contracted dates are out, if nothing else. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 21, 2022 20:31:45 GMT -5
I think the lesson nowadays is "don't go to WWE." Full stop. Seriously, the Indies are just way more appealing as a whole, especially with the freedom of the Forbidden Door. WWE still gives talent a chance at big-time exposure, which then makes their stock go up for the future post-WWE. And they also are high-paying jobs. |
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 21, 2022 20:38:53 GMT -5
Seriously, the Indies are just way more appealing as a whole, especially with the freedom of the Forbidden Door. WWE still gives talent a chance at big-time exposure, which then makes their stock go up for the future post-WWE. And they also are high-paying jobs. I get there are upsides, but when you outright see and hear shit happening to talent, knowing full well it can also happen to you? I can see it being a big deterrant. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 21, 2022 21:11:32 GMT -5
WWE still gives talent a chance at big-time exposure, which then makes their stock go up for the future post-WWE. And they also are high-paying jobs. I get there are upsides, but when you outright see and hear shit happening to talent, knowing full well it can also happen to you? I can see it being a big deterrant. For talent of a certain level, I’m sure it is. |
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Post by Richard on Jan 21, 2022 21:47:48 GMT -5
I think the lesson nowadays is "don't go to WWE." Full stop. Seriously, the Indies are just way more appealing as a whole, especially with the freedom of the Forbidden Door. Remember though, for as many want to be pro wrestlers, their is a whole generation that has only seen WWE. NJPW was not really an option, AEW didn't exist and, the others weren't much, if at all, an option if you really wanted to make a living. If you wanted to be a wrestler, you most likely wanted to be in WWE. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 21, 2022 23:02:48 GMT -5
Yep, so the game plan here is to kill all of the momentum from this, and for him, then release him. Such a perceivably evil thing to do that it's almost impressive. The sad thing is, Neville/PAC proved this really doesn't work, yet they are trying it again. If anything, he's likely to be an even bigger commodity because he's essentially a martyr now. Didn't work for Brodie Lee either... |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 21, 2022 23:11:21 GMT -5
Yep, so the game plan here is to kill all of the momentum from this, and for him, then release him. Such a perceivably evil thing to do that it's almost impressive. The sad thing is, Neville/PAC proved this really doesn't work, yet they are trying it again. If anything, he's likely to be an even bigger commodity because he's essentially a martyr now. I for one am amazed that WWE would keep banging away at something that's proven again and again that it does not work solely out of a petty, stubborn refusal to change their game plan up. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 21, 2022 23:16:29 GMT -5
On the "someone will challenge their Independent Contractor thing soon" ... yeah...
as I've said if that happens expect WWE to get a shitload of money from other companies to fight that, cause WWE aren't the only or worst offenders when it comes to abusing the IC Status.
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Jan 21, 2022 23:17:13 GMT -5
Has there been any word on how long Ali's got left on his deal? Assuming they do the usual three-year blocks of them, and with him having signed in 2016 (and assumingly having re-signed for a deal that started in 2019), give or take some injury time... There'd have to be at least another year left.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 21, 2022 23:51:34 GMT -5
Guy wants out so let him. If you saw value in him, you use the guy. So instead you just sit him on the shelf. Its like holding someone hostage and make them be there on paper against there will. He likely went home regardless.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jan 22, 2022 11:11:00 GMT -5
Maybe they want him on the Saudi show first.....then they could POSSIBLY release him
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Post by Richard on Jan 22, 2022 12:34:58 GMT -5
Has there been any word on how long Ali's got left on his deal? Assuming they do the usual three-year blocks of them, and with him having signed in 2016 (and assumingly having re-signed for a deal that started in 2019), give or take some injury time... There'd have to be at least another year left. I think a lot would depend on if the original 205 deals were created like NXT or main roster deals first and top of that they do three and five year deals. According to TJP they all started with NXT deals and those are scraped on call up to the main roster. He was moved off 205 and to the main roster in 2018. So that would put his deal being up in 2021 or 2023, with reports being WWE reworked deals to eliminate most bonus money last year and the report saying they had him locked in for years, he probably re-signed a reworked deal last year which makes 2024-2026 sound likely based on all those rumors and what not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 12:41:47 GMT -5
What I find fascinating is that, and this is just me talking about of my own rear end, but plenty of the people that were fired due to "budgetary reasons" haven't exactly been able to light the world on fire or have decided to just take a break from wrestling due to the pandemic or a lack of available spots. Yet, whenever somebody wants to leave the company and WWE says "nope", that only amplifies their status and makes them more of a desired commodity once they leave.
I know I'm either not properly connecting the dots or am looking for patterns where there aren't any, but it feels like WWE could just save themselves the headache time and time again by simply letting someone walk that they know they aren't using and have no inclination to use, as refusing to do so makes them a bigger story than if you had. Especially as we have had past evidence that confirms already that these tactics backfire.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 22, 2022 12:44:37 GMT -5
With the "independent contactor" contract, I can't imagine there's much preventing Ali from pulling a CM Punk and just not coming back. What could they possibly do? Yeah honestly if they try to sue him that is all the ammo needed to get the "independent contractor" designation killed once and for all lol |
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