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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 22, 2022 12:51:19 GMT -5
I think the lesson nowadays is "don't go to WWE." Full stop. Pains me to say it but WWE will always look good on any resume. There's plenty to learn about TV production, working in a huge Wrestlemania environment and other things that can add value to a wrestler's stock in spite of the dirty politics Right. There are a lot of reasons a wrestler would roll the dice. Even Okada, with how misused he was by TNA, cited it as a valuable experience, learning to work on television and making some important contacts like the Young Bucks. WWE's much the same. Even with how ass-backwards a lot of their business is handled, it's still undeniably a place to get experience and make contacts. If I had a name I'd have built any cache with, granted, I would NOT want to sign it over to them, but barring that, it makes sense that people try and hope for the best. You also get people like Owens and Sami, who are in a better position than most. They know if they got budget cut, they could work virtually anywhere when their no compete ran out, and don't have to uproot their whole lives. If you're someone having to move to Florida, it's scarier, since they can (And have!) shitcanned people with zero regard for making them throw away their lives elsewhere. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 22, 2022 13:03:11 GMT -5
If I’m Ali, I just don’t show up. At all. Either they fire him for it, or he gets paid to just sit home like guys in WCW did during their dying days.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 22, 2022 15:08:54 GMT -5
If I’m Ali, I just don’t show up. At all. Either they fire him for it, or he gets paid to just sit home like guys in WCW did during their dying days. That would be a breach of contract, and they could suspend him without pay. It couldn’t be indefinitely, I’d be shocked if it lasted 6 months, but they could absolutely say he was in breach of contract and stop paying him while they negotiate either a return to work or a full release. Personally, I’d much rather be unhappy with a weekly paycheque then unhappy and behind on my mortgage and facing a potential lengthy legal battle. CM Punk got away with it because he had legitimately fulfilled his contractually required dates. He wasn’t legally required to make anymore appearances, but legally couldn’t appear elsewhere until his contract would have run out in July. WWE f***ed up by firing him and trying to enforce an insanely broad and strict non-compete (where basically any public performance was considered “competing” against WWE, including TV and movie roles). They would’ve saved themselves a world of trouble by just letting him go home for 6 months until his contract lapsed |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 22, 2022 15:32:37 GMT -5
With the "independent contactor" contract, I can't imagine there's much preventing Ali from pulling a CM Punk and just not coming back. What could they possibly do? Yeah honestly if they try to sue him that is all the ammo needed to get the "independent contractor" designation killed once and for all lol Punk left after all he finished all of his contractually required dates. If Ali still has dates he's required to work he can't just walk out, he'd be in breach of contract and they can legally stop paying him. and as I said if the Independent Contractor thing ever comes up in a court case a lot of businesses are likely going to support the WWE. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 23, 2022 3:44:19 GMT -5
Has there been any word on how long Ali's got left on his deal? Assuming they do the usual three-year blocks of them, and with him having signed in 2016 (and assumingly having re-signed for a deal that started in 2019), give or take some injury time... There'd have to be at least another year left. I think a lot would depend on if the original 205 deals were created like NXT or main roster deals first and top of that they do three and five year deals. According to TJP they all started with NXT deals and those are scraped on call up to the main roster. He was moved off 205 and to the main roster in 2018. So that would put his deal being up in 2021 or 2023, with reports being WWE reworked deals to eliminate most bonus money last year and the report saying they had him locked in for years, he probably re-signed a reworked deal last year which makes 2024-2026 sound likely based on all those rumors and what not. I believe Ariya Daivari claimed that almost everyone on 205 Live were given main roster contracts pretty early on in the show's run, since they were working Raw and Smackdown (well, immediately after Smackdown to be exact) every week. This is why guys like Nese, Daivari, Oney, etc. had 90 day no compete clauses despite the fact that they were never Raw or Smackdown branded talents, despite being NXT talents for all intents and purposes when they were let go. This would mean Mustafa Ali's contract would not have changed in late 2018 or early 2019, because he was considered to be on the main roster for virtually his entire WWE run. |
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 23, 2022 7:08:45 GMT -5
It would make sense for Ali to request his release from a position of strength (i.e. actually having completed all his dates.) It's my understanding that you're getting your upside if you're asked to come to the arena even if you're not used.
It also makes sense to intersperse one's dates with the downtime to pad out the contract period so that, when the contract period is up, one isn't sitting on one's hands getting ring rust while the world forgets about you. Of course, this depends on how they're using you. If you're at or near the top of the card and Vince intends to keep you there, then it works out fairly well: you're not overexposed while, at the same time, you may be pressed to work more dates than usual because you're seen as a draw. If you're meant to be counting lights most of the time, the time off can be used, at least, to work on some side projects you have no intention of sharing with the company and to plan your next steps (for once you're out of the company.)
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Post by edgestar on Jan 23, 2022 14:01:16 GMT -5
Just do Q&A twitch streams...do cameo, post on Twitter how you feel about the Saudi stuff.. If they wanna be petty, be petty back, talk about unions, there are easy ways to push back hard. Hell he can just publicly say the angle that Vince proposed that set it all off. Going off what I've seen on his posts, etc. He'd have a lot of people backing him too. What was that? |
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 23, 2022 16:59:32 GMT -5
Sell some bootleg WWE t-shirts, man.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 23, 2022 17:06:46 GMT -5
Hell he can just publicly say the angle that Vince proposed that set it all off. Going off what I've seen on his posts, etc. He'd have a lot of people backing him too. What was that? Rumors say Hassan 2.0. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 23, 2022 17:33:30 GMT -5
People seem to forget that WWE contracts are also about having exclusive rights to the performer in a wrestling capacity. So it's not just a matter of "he has to fulfill his responsibilities" since WWE can say "Well our contract is also about intellectual property and he can't revoke that unilaterally"
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Post by edgestar on Jan 23, 2022 18:41:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that was an awful idea, and Ali seems like a genuinely sweet guy. He got done dirty. |
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Post by cjh on Jan 23, 2022 18:53:28 GMT -5
Yeah honestly if they try to sue him that is all the ammo needed to get the "independent contractor" designation killed once and for all lol Punk left after all he finished all of his contractually required dates. If Ali still has dates he's required to work he can't just walk out, he'd be in breach of contract and they can legally stop paying him. and as I said if the Independent Contractor thing ever comes up in a court case a lot of businesses are likely going to support the WWE. If it's like WCW, then top guys can get it put in their contract that the company can't book them more than _____ days a year, but the other guys don't have that. The 2000 WCW racism lawsuit resulted in contract details being publicly released, and a lot of the non-ME guys had contracts that said WCW had the right to book them 365 days a year if needed. |
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Jan 23, 2022 23:44:54 GMT -5
Something maybe small but it does show a little bit of rebellion by Ali.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 24, 2022 0:18:45 GMT -5
Something maybe small but it does show a little bit of rebellion by Ali. some Retribution perhaps |
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Post by ARI WOW WOW on Jan 24, 2022 0:20:14 GMT -5
Imagine that (inEvITabLE) pop!
Whatever they now do is gonna make people love him more and make him a bigger star.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 24, 2022 0:32:59 GMT -5
Something maybe small but it does show a little bit of rebellion by Ali. King shit. |
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Post by Abadebe on Jan 24, 2022 0:40:28 GMT -5
Ali is going full scorched earth and I am loving it.
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Post by Ringmaster on Jan 24, 2022 2:38:04 GMT -5
#FreeAli is moderately trending.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 24, 2022 2:51:53 GMT -5
Has there been any word on how long Ali's got left on his deal? Assuming they do the usual three-year blocks of them, and with him having signed in 2016 (and assumingly having re-signed for a deal that started in 2019), give or take some injury time... There'd have to be at least another year left. WWE started offering long deals in 2019 when AEW was coming onto the scene. So they could have extended it then. |
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 24, 2022 2:54:25 GMT -5
Yeah, that was an awful idea, and Ali seems like a genuinely sweet guy. He got done dirty. So the going rumour is that they asked him to play a character that he has been open about refusing to ever play because of the harm it can cause. Since he's so open about not wanting to play a straight up Muslim heel then it's putting two and two together. |
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