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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 9:52:47 GMT -5
Damn. I wouldn’t have immediately assumed he’d be AEW bound one day but that tweet does give me hope. I just want to make a joke about him being All Alite. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 4, 2022 5:30:11 GMT -5
Hopefully it won't be the case, but dude could be looking at a long time being iced.
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Post by mrtuesday on Feb 4, 2022 8:24:33 GMT -5
Hopefully it won't be the case, but dude could be looking at a long time being iced.
And like Pac and Brodie Lee before him, he will be treated like a martyr during and after this. Pac is doing well for himself being a featured player in AEW and wherever else he works. And if it wasn't for Brodie's unfortunate passing, he would be just as well off as Pac. The longer WWE takes with the release, the more in demand Ali is going to be when the time comes. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 4, 2022 8:45:16 GMT -5
Hopefully it won't be the case, but dude could be looking at a long time being iced.
And like Pac and Brodie Lee before him, he will be treated like a martyr during and after this. Pac is doing well for himself being a featured player in AEW and wherever else he works. And if it wasn't for Brodie's unfortunate passing, he would be just as well off as Pac. The longer WWE takes with the release, the more in demand Ali is going to be when the time comes. It’s what I find crazy about the whole thing. Instead of improving things so then people aren’t asking for their release at the rate they have been, they still pay people the minimum they’re owed for them to have the ability to sit at home and not gain any extra dates. Now that they fire people on such a regular basis, even people who were only there for a cup of coffee like Allison Danger, it’s such a weird mentality to have. Because along with the whole “keeping people who clearly don’t want to be there” and “making them look like hostages that should be freed” mentalities, it’s “why were these people expendable, people who were in better positions then Mustafa Ali on the card, and the guy who can barely get on Main Event these days considered important?” |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 4, 2022 10:00:52 GMT -5
Hopefully it won't be the case, but dude could be looking at a long time being iced.
And like Pac and Brodie Lee before him, he will be treated like a martyr during and after this. Pac is doing well for himself being a featured player in AEW and wherever else he works. And if it wasn't for Brodie's unfortunate passing, he would be just as well off as Pac. The longer WWE takes with the release, the more in demand Ali is going to be when the time comes. But he's lost a year of his limited time as a peak performer to sitting at home, time he'll never get back or spend making money for someone else. His main value now is to serve as an example of what happens if you fight booking or try to leave before Vince is done with you, like a petty criminal or critic of the king, hung in a gibbet as an example to the other serfs. Also, in their minds, if they let Ali go, next time it could be someone they want to keep. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 4, 2022 10:09:02 GMT -5
And like Pac and Brodie Lee before him, he will be treated like a martyr during and after this. Pac is doing well for himself being a featured player in AEW and wherever else he works. And if it wasn't for Brodie's unfortunate passing, he would be just as well off as Pac. The longer WWE takes with the release, the more in demand Ali is going to be when the time comes. But he's lost a year of his limited time as a peak performer to sitting at home, time he'll never get back or spend making money for someone else. His main value now is to serve as an example of what happens if you fight booking or try to leave before Vince is done with you, like a petty criminal or critic of the king, hung in a gibbet as an example to the other serfs. Also, in their minds, if they let Ali go, next time it could be someone they want to keep. Which I’d “get” if it were 2019 and AEW were starting and they needed high profile free agents but…they’ve fired actual, marketable stars in the past couple of years. Bray Wyatt is even now still making the company money in merch sales from Funkos and other stuff that was set to be out now and he’s unlikely to be going back into wrestling soon, never mind WWE. So keeping Ali as punishment when you’ve spent 95% of the past couple of years making everyone else who is actually on TV and had plans and everything basically seem expendable just…there’s no logic to it. Let the guy go, have the line go up and make shareholders happier. They can’t have it both ways anymore. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 4, 2022 10:50:59 GMT -5
Looking at this through the lens of what this might do to help Ali or help other companies is the wrong approach, because Vince here isn't being a rational actor in that way. A control freak doesn't care about what someone can do outside of their reach, they only care about how their authority is being challenged, and by holding him down, Vince's authority remains absolute. You know that casting call for Blade he was trying to get attention for? If he's under WWE contract, he needs company permission for that, so if he wants so bad to be in a movie, he's going to have to come back, put on the turban, and play the terrorist Vince wanted him to play, or he's going to lose out on opportunities.
Trying to piece together the rational actions of someone whose behavior is consistent doesn't map to how Vince operates and hasn't for years now. We see that. His weirdest qualities are getting cranked up and his indecision and arbitrary mind-changes are happening constantly. It just takes one person too many who goes "no, I want out" over an idea Vince had to bruise his ego enough that he decides he's digging his heels in and punishing somebody. Releases happen on WWE's call and on Vince's decision, and he's done with this clown show where people get to call their own shots and have any control over their destiny; he's doing this now to make sure nobody thinks they can do that again. Vince decides when he's done with people and not the people themselves.
Yes it makes no sense, yes it contradicts the ways they've been acting, yes it's someone trying to have his cake and eat it too. There's a reason morale is at an all time low.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 4, 2022 12:47:01 GMT -5
I do wonder what else is going on here given the complete shift in direction from the Toni Storm situation. Do they regret releasing her? Was there more to her individual situation? It seems odd to release her and not Ali. Ali is great and will be successful elsewhere but there is a strong demand for female TV ready/solid workers and Toni fits that bill very well. If it's about the competition, this seems backwards to me.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 4, 2022 13:06:40 GMT -5
I do wonder what else is going on here given the complete shift in direction from the Toni Storm situation. Do they regret releasing her? Was there more to her individual situation? It seems odd to release her and not Ali. Ali is great and will be successful elsewhere but there is a strong demand for female TV ready/solid workers and Toni fits that bill very well. If it's about the competition, this seems backwards to me. And if anything, they could have easily had her get a rematch for Charlotte. Yes, considering the story they told it wouldn’t have made a lick of sense but this is WWE we’re talking about. Kevin Owens somehow got 50 rematches despite losing all of them. |
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 4, 2022 13:44:05 GMT -5
The longer this goes on and the more wrestlers that WWE pulls these petty stunts and burials with, the more likely the company is to invite unprofessional behaviour in the ring. Nothing like potatoes, but a lot of botched finishes, promos/segments/matches going over time or coming up short, general mayhem throughout live broadcasts. The kind of stuff that, prior to all this, would have been career- and reputation-killing but, in the light of these times, could be justified by fans.
Not that I would necessarily want to see it happen (or the wrestlers to suffer consequences for it), but watching the roster turn Raw or Smackdown into shindy Amateur Hour would at least be entertaining from a crash-TV point of view.
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 4, 2022 13:47:54 GMT -5
The longer this goes on and the more wrestlers that WWE pulls these petty stunts and burials with, the more likely the company is to invite unprofessional behaviour in the ring. Nothing like potatoes, but a lot of botched finishes, promos/segments/matches going over time or coming up short, general mayhem throughout live broadcasts. The kind of stuff that, prior to all this, would have been career- and reputation-killing but, in the light of these times, could be justified by fans. I doubt that. Those boys and girls are going to want to at least try to give fans their moneys worth and make lemonade out of lemons, and botching stuff on purpose goes against that. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 4, 2022 13:49:53 GMT -5
The longer this goes on and the more wrestlers that WWE pulls these petty stunts and burials with, the more likely the company is to invite unprofessional behaviour in the ring. Nothing like potatoes, but a lot of botched finishes, promos/segments/matches going over time or coming up short, general mayhem throughout live broadcasts. The kind of stuff that, prior to all this, would have been career- and reputation-killing but, in the light of these times, could be justified by fans. I doubt that. Those boys and girls are going to want to at least try to give fans their moneys worth and make lemonade out of lemons, and botching stuff on purpose goes against that. Also, wouldn’t look great if they did get released and got on the market if they were botching and half assing stuff, more so than anything else. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 13:51:14 GMT -5
The longer this goes on and the more wrestlers that WWE pulls these petty stunts and burials with, the more likely the company is to invite unprofessional behaviour in the ring. Nothing like potatoes, but a lot of botched finishes, promos/segments/matches going over time or coming up short, general mayhem throughout live broadcasts. The kind of stuff that, prior to all this, would have been career- and reputation-killing but, in the light of these times, could be justified by fans. Not that I would necessarily want to see it happen (or the wrestlers to suffer consequences for it), but watching the roster turn Raw or Smackdown into shindy Amateur Hour would at least be entertaining from a crash-TV point of view. Yea WWE is inviting some serious "I WANT OUT" body language and possibly more incoming. Probably gonna start seeing alot more talent that want out making it really known...and either they get pulled from tv which pretty much means free vacation but still getting paid, they get let out of their contracts or stay on tv and keep just putting in give no f***s performances untill their deal runs out. Killing talent morale never ends well. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 4, 2022 17:24:13 GMT -5
Yes it makes no sense, yes it contradicts the ways they've been acting, yes it's someone trying to have his cake and eat it too. There's a reason morale is at an all time low. The other thing is, dude has no attention span. When he's mad at Ali and refusing to release him, he probably doesn't even remember that he fires lots of people now, too. Which means that it's absolutely possible Ali will be in an upcoming round of budget cuts, because Vince will have forgotten he was punishing him by refusing to fire him. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 4, 2022 17:28:09 GMT -5
Yes it makes no sense, yes it contradicts the ways they've been acting, yes it's someone trying to have his cake and eat it too. There's a reason morale is at an all time low. The other thing is, dude has no attention span. When he's mad at Ali and refusing to release him, he probably doesn't even remember that he fires lots of people now, too. Which means that it's absolutely possible Ali will be in an upcoming round of budget cuts, because Vince will have forgotten he was punishing him by refusing to fire him. I bet Nick Khan or someone else budget-minded who thinks it's dumb to keep him at home and locked down is going to sneak him into a list of releases and Vince won't even blink about accepting them without any real thought to it. Vince isn't really there anymore. |
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Post by Mecca on Feb 4, 2022 17:30:59 GMT -5
The other thing is, dude has no attention span. When he's mad at Ali and refusing to release him, he probably doesn't even remember that he fires lots of people now, too. Which means that it's absolutely possible Ali will be in an upcoming round of budget cuts, because Vince will have forgotten he was punishing him by refusing to fire him. I bet Nick Khan or someone else budget-minded who thinks it's dumb to keep him at home and locked down is going to sneak him into a list of releases and Vince won't even blink about accepting them without any real thought to it. Vince isn't really there anymore. He'll get thrown on a list with like Alexander, Benjamin, Elias, Tozawa, TBar, Mace and like Angel and Humberto. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 4, 2022 17:39:30 GMT -5
I bet Nick Khan or someone else budget-minded who thinks it's dumb to keep him at home and locked down is going to sneak him into a list of releases and Vince won't even blink about accepting them without any real thought to it. Vince isn't really there anymore. He'll get thrown on a list with like Alexander, Benjamin, Elias, Tozawa, TBar, Mace and like Angel and Humberto. Nah, Cedric is going to somehow dodge the next set of cuts despite doing everything to say he wants to leave without asking for his release just like he’s been doing for the past two years. |
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Feb 12, 2022 13:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 12, 2022 13:56:03 GMT -5
I’d say he’d likely be let go for being a disruption on social media and how it might look from a PR perspective but a) WWE doesn’t have a social media policy (besides tweet “WWE Changing the World” at promotion for a blood money show) so he wouldn’t be punished for it anyway under that and b) WWE’s PR department looked at the words “WWE Elimination Chamber in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia” and went “That sounds fine” so you know… |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 12, 2022 14:05:13 GMT -5
I’d say he’d likely be let go for being a disruption on social media and how it might look from a PR perspective but a) WWE doesn’t have a social media policy (besides tweet “WWE Changing the World” at promotion for a blood money show) so he wouldn’t be punished for it anyway under that and b) WWE’s PR department looked at the words “WWE Elimination Chamber in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia” and went “That sounds fine” so you know… His best bet is probably just getting dumped the next time they have a lot of releases, possibly post-those tryouts they're doing. At least, I don't expect they're likely to release anyone until at least after the Jeddah show since I imagine they do not want a repeat of the Rumble, so they'll want backups on tap. After that, pruning becomes more tempting, likely, in which case I feel like even with the spite, he also becomes a convenient tool during that, with remaining talent being relieved Ali's release kept some of them off of the chopping block. Is that how it'd actually work in practice? Likely not, but it's the most useful role Ali's got left to WWE. If they release others but not him, it turns all of this into more of a distraction than necessary. #FreeAli would get an enormous boost, and while WWE doesn't give a shit about their PR at this point*, they still don't like the trending tab being dominated by things other than the stuff they're trying to sell/get over. *The one exception I can really think about is that Vince did apparently get embarrassed/shamed over WWE's exceptionally shit treatment of Zelina on the 9/11 show, with him personally apologizing to her, and her conspicuously getting the Queen of the Ring and tag titles like damn near immediately after. Vince's limits are lower by the day, but not entirely gone. |
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