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Post by MrElijah on Jan 16, 2022 19:37:07 GMT -5
Ali wasn't even remotely as over as Hacksaw Jim Duggan or most mid card talent. If they had just aired the shit he was doing on social media and let him role with his stuff, he'd have been over... Oh yes forgot WWE doesn't like creative wrestlers. Zack Ryder wasn't best in the world, he wasn't Punk, Cena, Bryan or Taker but fans cared and bought his gear. Got cheered in MSG.Then he gets buried because how dare he get over.
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Post by eJm on Jan 16, 2022 19:37:18 GMT -5
I mean, Hacksaw isn’t a great example because he was coming in from a territory where he was over so they kept him doing what he was doing and it worked. Most of the talent in 80s WWF was basically them in the territories but for kids. Crash came in as Hardcore Holly’s cousin and nobody gave a single shit. They brawled all the time and the crowd wasn’t able to get invested because it was dumb. Then they tried something new, made him the Hardcore Houdini and boom, over like rover and people still talk about his segments to this day. They don’t give most of their talents anywhere near the chances they gave someone like Kurrgan or The Godfather or anyone who started out as duds. Shit, look at the Honky Tonk Man. Was a face, fans hated his guts, turned him heel and got so much heat, he was the longest reigning Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion in history. Was he the best wrestler? No, but they let do what he do best. When I heard that whole thing in the video Brian Zane did, it blew my mind. HTM is just so much recognizable as a heel that the fact he debuted as Hogan’s friend and not only did that not get over, they changed course and made him a heel is just…it’s such a weird thing to find out.
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Post by hbkid718 on Jan 16, 2022 19:38:05 GMT -5
Isn't main event primarly an international show and doesn't actually air stateaide? could be wrong but I remembering that so maybe that is why they don't advertise it. It airs live on the WWE Network in the US. No, it premieres on Hulu on Thursday as well as internationally & then goes on the Network 3 weeks later.
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Post by eJm on Jan 16, 2022 19:39:16 GMT -5
It airs live on the WWE Network in the US. No, it premieres on Hulu on Thursday as well as internationally & then goes on the Network 3 weeks later. See, I knew I was getting that mixed up with something so thanks for the correction. Wider point is; it does air in the US and they should promote that it does.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 16, 2022 19:39:51 GMT -5
I mean, the idea that he had to be a main eventer isn’t really the point? Like, this stuff comes up and it sort of says a lot about the culture of WWE and what the fans take from it that we expect the person we want to be a main eventer or they might as well be nothing which goes against how someone like Hacksaw Jim Duggan or Crash Holly or the freakin Oddities were as over as they were despite being nowhere near the main event scene. Especially since the end of the Monday Night Wars, WWE did everything in their power to erode that and frankly, that’s sad. Ali wasn't even remotely as over as Hacksaw Jim Duggan or most mid card talent. And they didn't put a fraction of the effort into Ali that they put into Hacksaw. Or into anyone else they see as a midcarder. That's sort of the whole point.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 16, 2022 19:42:20 GMT -5
I think the fact that a bunch of people on a wrestling board have zero clue when and how Main Event airs should probably demonstrate plainly how little Main Event actually matters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 19:49:27 GMT -5
Ali wasn't even remotely as over as Hacksaw Jim Duggan or most mid card talent. And they didn't put a fraction of the effort into Ali that they put into Hacksaw. Or into anyone else they see as a midcarder. That's sort of the whole point. Hell, just a couple years ago they had Otis getting great reactions every week with everyone saying he was on his way to becoming the Hacksaw of this generation, then they pointlessly turned him heel. He is a champion now so things aren't all that bad, but he's still not even getting a quarter of the reactions he was getting then.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 16, 2022 19:54:27 GMT -5
still going to need more solid evidence that Main Event is a real show
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 19:58:22 GMT -5
still going to need more solid evidence that Main Event is a real show
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 16, 2022 20:20:42 GMT -5
still going to need more solid evidence that Main Event is a real show There have been nearly 200 more episodes of it than there were of WCW Nitro.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 16, 2022 20:22:06 GMT -5
Not everyone has to be a "main event talent," but jesus christ, imagine not thinking Mustafa Ali is a main event-level talent. Great promo whether heel or face, gets the fans invested (even at house shows when people were less likely to know who he is), amazing in-ring by any and all evaluations, genuine star quality, and has a head on stronger than most when it comes to carrying himself outside the ring.
That's a guy who you can and should build a company around. Checks absolutely every box.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 20:23:45 GMT -5
At this point they just need to have a sit down meeting all talent and say if anyone doesn’t want to be here the door is open. Maybe that’s what they should have done in early 2021.
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Post by J is Thunder Justice on Jan 16, 2022 20:28:21 GMT -5
still going to need more solid evidence that Main Event is a real show There have been nearly 200 more episodes of it than there were of WCW Nitro.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 16, 2022 20:32:01 GMT -5
At this point they just need to have a sit down meeting all talent and say if anyone doesn’t want to be here the door is open. Maybe that’s what they should have done in early 2021. and then air it on tv.... and then not let people actually quit... >_> I mean if they want to go full LOL TNA >_>
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Post by eJm on Jan 16, 2022 20:34:39 GMT -5
At this point they just need to have a sit down meeting all talent and say if anyone doesn’t want to be here the door is open. Maybe that’s what they should have done in early 2021. In theory, that makes sense. You get rid of the people who don’t want to be there and keep the people who do and focus on them. The problem, really, is that there still needs to be talent on the roster. What if the amount of people who want to go leaves them with not enough people for a rotating roster? Do you try and negotiate with the ones who want to go that you want to keep to try and get them to stay? Do you just let them go and recruit more for NXT and hope for the best? The easier solution is to look at what you have and see what you can do to have them have a use or a point in the shows themselves but that doesn’t seem like a likely outcome either.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 16, 2022 20:37:40 GMT -5
The most WWE has ever plugged Main Event was when they accidentally used their graphics package on RAW once.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 16, 2022 21:09:09 GMT -5
Dude has talent, should’ve been a perennial US/IC title dude and fringe main eventer. I wish the best for his future, he was severely under-utilised
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 16, 2022 21:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on Jan 16, 2022 22:14:47 GMT -5
If they had just aired the shit he was doing on social media and let him role with his stuff, he'd have been over... Oh yes forgot WWE doesn't like creative wrestlers. Zack Ryder wasn't best in the world, he wasn't Punk, Cena, Bryan or Taker but fans cared and bought his gear. Got cheered in MSG.Then he gets buried because how dare he get over. Ryder, the way they undercut Chad Gable to the audience with Shorty G, Breezango, etc. Bad News Barrett. And their best midcard act of the last 10 years (New Day) did so by doing the opposite of what Vince told them to do. They ROUTINELY torpedo their own talent to their own audience. Or just cover their ears to the responses they don't want (Cesaro). Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 16, 2022 22:18:21 GMT -5
The only thing from Main Event I remember is the first episode when they did Punk vs Sheamus champ vs champ.
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