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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Nov 28, 2022 16:01:15 GMT -5
Oh my god of course she did dude, you can't write anything funnier than real life LMAO {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Though honestly I kinda wonder if Ronda's still even on the conspiracy wave after having a kid and just years of shit happening to her in general. I don't keep up with Ronda Rousey news and interviews but wearing a bright orange Every Child Matters shirt in Canada a few months ago (she was also the only person on the show that did this) was a FAR cry from batshit early aughts Ronda and a very far cry from denying Sandy Hook ever happened considering that people denying Residential Schools ever killed anyone is unfortunately very much a thing. I genuinely do wonder where she's at in regards to Thi Shit in 2022. I agree that Ronda being the one who specifically requested Kendrick is absolutely hilarious, but to be serious for a second... It honestly seems likely that, at 35 and 43 respectively, both Ronda and Kendrick have toned down their conspiracy theory nonsense considerably. After Kendrick's past nonsense resurfacing cost him his shot with AEW he seemed genuinely contrite to me. It's just...the stuff they spouted was so outrageous and disgusting that it presents one of those instances where it's fair to wonder if they could/should ever be forgiven.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Nov 28, 2022 16:08:21 GMT -5
Oh my god of course she did dude, you can't write anything funnier than real life LMAO {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Though honestly I kinda wonder if Ronda's still even on the conspiracy wave after having a kid and just years of shit happening to her in general. I don't keep up with Ronda Rousey news and interviews but wearing a bright orange Every Child Matters shirt in Canada a few months ago (she was also the only person on the show that did this) was a FAR cry from batshit early aughts Ronda and a very far cry from denying Sandy Hook ever happened considering that people denying Residential Schools ever killed anyone is unfortunately very much a thing. I genuinely do wonder where she's at in regards to Thi Shit in 2022. I agree that Ronda being the one who specifically requested Kendrick is absolutely hilarious, but to be serious for a second... It honestly seems likely that, at 35 and 43 respectively, both Ronda and Kendrick have toned down their conspiracy theory nonsense considerably. After Kendrick's past nonsense resurfacing cost him his shot with AEW he seemed genuinely contrite to me. It's just...the stuff they spouted was so outrageous and disgusting that it presents one of those instances where it's fair to wonder if they could/should ever be forgiven. I have much less optimism about Kendrick because he was like that for *ages* to a much more serious extent and was incredibly deep in to it to the point where he could just namedrop conspiracy dudes and lectures by them that he had been at like it was nothing. Dude had whole DVDs about this shit that you could still grab on Highspots up to this year. Also, as others have already mentioned, it was bad enough to destroy his ride or die level friendship with Paul London.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 16:19:32 GMT -5
I agree that Ronda being the one who specifically requested Kendrick is absolutely hilarious, but to be serious for a second... It honestly seems likely that, at 35 and 43 respectively, both Ronda and Kendrick have toned down their conspiracy theory nonsense considerably. After Kendrick's past nonsense resurfacing cost him his shot with AEW he seemed genuinely contrite to me. It's just...the stuff they spouted was so outrageous and disgusting that it presents one of those instances where it's fair to wonder if they could/should ever be forgiven. I have much less optimism about Kendrick because he was like that for *ages* to a much more serious extent and was incredibly deep in to it to the point where he could just namedrop conspiracy dudes and lectures by them that he had been at like it was nothing. Dude had whole DVDs about this shit that you could still grab on Highspots up to this year. Also, as others have already mentioned, it was bad enough to destroy his ride or die level friendship with Paul London. Brian Kendrick is the only reason I think there might be some merit to the dangers of weed.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 28, 2022 17:08:24 GMT -5
The problem with believing in conspiracies (other than you being an imbecile) is that there's no end to what 'could' be true in your mind.
I mean, it could be true that mayonnaise doesn't actually exist.
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Post by XIII on Nov 28, 2022 17:11:43 GMT -5
I have much less optimism about Kendrick because he was like that for *ages* to a much more serious extent and was incredibly deep in to it to the point where he could just namedrop conspiracy dudes and lectures by them that he had been at like it was nothing. Dude had whole DVDs about this shit that you could still grab on Highspots up to this year. Also, as others have already mentioned, it was bad enough to destroy his ride or die level friendship with Paul London. Brian Kendrick is the only reason I think there might be some merit to the dangers of weed. Kendrick was 100% doing more than just weed. That dude was out there on Pluto somewhere for a while.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 28, 2022 17:50:52 GMT -5
f*** Brian Kendrick and no you don't have to forgive anyone, especially someone who hasn't really shown any remorse except to themselves because it cost them a career opportunity, and I find it humorous that old Sandy Hook was fake Ronda and Iron Cross and Skulls Paul are the arbitutors of Kendrick's outlook. But then again, old 3% Sarah Logan is drawing a paycheck, so maybe Trips learned the lesson that big daddy Vince learned, that none of this really matters because it's pro wrestling and nobody pays attention.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Nov 28, 2022 19:34:24 GMT -5
Dude said something extremely ill informed and stupid. He's since apologized for it several times. Should he never be allowed to work again? I think TBK has a good wrestling mind, and believe he would be a net positive as far as an agent. No, he should never be allowed to work in this industry again. And his apology was followed by his former best friend explaining why he apology was bullshit and how full of lies it was. He's a net negative, especially after that match last night. You don't get nets more negative than that. He can work anywhere else, but in an industry that's already finally dealing with massive upheaval and changing of toxicity, no he shouldn't have a place in it. The second paragraph, any more detail on that?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 28, 2022 19:36:28 GMT -5
No, he should never be allowed to work in this industry again. And his apology was followed by his former best friend explaining why he apology was bullshit and how full of lies it was. He's a net negative, especially after that match last night. You don't get nets more negative than that. He can work anywhere else, but in an industry that's already finally dealing with massive upheaval and changing of toxicity, no he shouldn't have a place in it. The second paragraph, any more detail on that? Kendrick said he never actually believed in those conspiracies but Paul London went on record and said he definitely did including an incident where he was thrown out of a friend's place in the Netherlands because he wouldn't stop talking about his Holocaust denial. I want to believe he's contrite but when he seemingly lies about how closely held these beliefs were, it's hard to buy it.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 28, 2022 19:44:49 GMT -5
It’s important to remember with some of the people he’s brought back recently that Triple H being a better person/promoter than Vince is like the lowest bar possible to clear. It doesn’t mean Triple H is actually a good person either.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Nov 28, 2022 21:29:42 GMT -5
Devil’s Advocate question, and allow me to say f*** Kendrick in advance… If he made a sincere apology and appeared to be a changed person, is there still no coming back from that? Again, just devils advocate and again, f*** Brian Kendrick So I posted somewhere back in this thread, but I'm Jewish myself. I'd be fine with him returning if he made a sincere apology and was changed. People overcoming their idiot views is very helpful. They can communicate with people who still have delusional beliefs more effectively than us who have never had crazy thoughts. Unless he made a new apology, his old one sucked. He didn't seem sorry, couldn't tell if he moved away from crazy conspiracies or not. It's mind boggling that a global company can't find non racist, sexist, homophobic, anti semetic employees. There's enough agents in the world that they shouldn't have to resort to hiring insane conspiracy theorists. Thanks for your answer. And I haven’t seen any apology, so I actually didn’t know he made one. In general, I do think think people have to be given a chance to redeem themselves, though they need to put in the work. Without that chance, people may resist changing, because what difference would it make? But again, they need to put in the work to get to that redemption. That said, I also think there are things you can’t come back from. Benoit (had he lived) being an extreme example. Bill Cosby as well.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Nov 28, 2022 21:32:13 GMT -5
I do wonder where all the drama and backlash was for this in 2010 when the shoot first came out. Highspots is still even selling it on their website. In fact, at the time the only drama from the interview was their Benoit takes. Guys an idiot if they're his actual views, and surprisingly a bigger idiot if his "whacky character to sell shoot interview dvds" story is true. Is that the “Boner’s dead?” shoot? That was a clusterf***.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Nov 28, 2022 21:35:27 GMT -5
Probably more that he trained her. You know, sometimes, you don't have to defend, justify or explain everything shitty in WWE. He didn’t. He was just stating another reason Rousey may have requested Kendrick.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Nov 28, 2022 21:42:15 GMT -5
Truthfully, a lot of stuff that was said in earlier years in shoot interviews has flown under the radar for a variety of reasons. The Cornette and Kevin Nash ones tend to be exceptions where they got reposted to hell and back and became big talking point opinions for a long time, I think I know the Cornett one (him dropping the n-word, right?), but what’s the Kevin Nash one?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 28, 2022 21:57:17 GMT -5
Truthfully, a lot of stuff that was said in earlier years in shoot interviews has flown under the radar for a variety of reasons. The Cornette and Kevin Nash ones tend to be exceptions where they got reposted to hell and back and became big talking point opinions for a long time, I think I know the Cornett one (him dropping the n-word, right?), but what’s the Kevin Nash one? Oh sorry no I didn't mean any like bad things said in interviews, I just mean the interviews at all. Kevin Nash and Jim Cornette's shoots were reposted and everywhere in those days, and they got lots of Youtube traffic. The only other shoot interview content you could find widespread attention for would typically be compliations of "wrestlers shoot on X" or people being asked how big Batista's dick was. Nobody else's really came close to that level of notoriety, so if you weren't Nash or Cornette, you could say whatever the f*** you wanted and there was a good chance people wouldn't notice.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Nov 28, 2022 23:19:09 GMT -5
I think I know the Cornett one (him dropping the n-word, right?), but what’s the Kevin Nash one? Oh sorry no I didn't mean any like bad things said in interviews, I just mean the interviews at all. Kevin Nash and Jim Cornette's shoots were reposted and everywhere in those days, and they got lots of Youtube traffic. The only other shoot interview content you could find widespread attention for would typically be compliations of "wrestlers shoot on X" or people being asked how big Batista's dick was. Nobody else's really came close to that level of notoriety, so if you weren't Nash or Cornette, you could say whatever the f*** you wanted and there was a good chance people wouldn't notice. Ahhhhh. Gotcha.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Nov 29, 2022 10:02:59 GMT -5
I think I know the Cornett one (him dropping the n-word, right?), but what’s the Kevin Nash one? Oh sorry no I didn't mean any like bad things said in interviews, I just mean the interviews at all. Kevin Nash and Jim Cornette's shoots were reposted and everywhere in those days, and they got lots of Youtube traffic. The only other shoot interview content you could find widespread attention for would typically be compliations of "wrestlers shoot on X" or people being asked how big Batista's dick was. Nobody else's really came close to that level of notoriety, so if you weren't Nash or Cornette, you could say whatever the f*** you wanted and there was a good chance people wouldn't notice. I honestly think part of it, too, is that a lot of these shoots were done between 2000-2010 which, while it really doesn't feel like it should be, was a long time ago. A lot of things that were socially accepted (I wouldn't necessarily say acceptable, but accepted) in, say, 2005 would ruin someone's career today. So a lot of those shoots that contain extremely controversial/outrageous stuff by today's standards didn't cause a stir at the time and, now, 10+ years removed, they're out of everyone's collective consciousness unless someone specifically brings them up. It's like how Excalibur had to deal with controversy a year or so back because of his old racist angle with Human Tornado.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 29, 2022 10:18:51 GMT -5
So I posted somewhere back in this thread, but I'm Jewish myself. I'd be fine with him returning if he made a sincere apology and was changed. People overcoming their idiot views is very helpful. They can communicate with people who still have delusional beliefs more effectively than us who have never had crazy thoughts. Unless he made a new apology, his old one sucked. He didn't seem sorry, couldn't tell if he moved away from crazy conspiracies or not. It's mind boggling that a global company can't find non racist, sexist, homophobic, anti semetic employees. There's enough agents in the world that they shouldn't have to resort to hiring insane conspiracy theorists. Thanks for your answer. And I haven’t seen any apology, so I actually didn’t know he made one. In general, I do think think people have to be given a chance to redeem themselves, though they need to put in the work. Without that chance, people may resist changing, because what difference would it make? But again, they need to put in the work to get to that redemption. That said, I also think there are things you can’t come back from. Benoit (had he lived) being an extreme example. Bill Cosby as well. Kendrick only apologized when it cost him a job. He may have lied in said apology to make it out to be no big deal. That to me says even if he doesnt actually believe those things anymore he doesnt really care.
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Post by mistery on Nov 29, 2022 12:55:17 GMT -5
Meltzer said this on the Observer Board - "It was a one time thing because Ronda requested it. Could he be back? Yes, but that's what the deal was for yesterday." It reflects super badly on Ronda, who already has dipped into the "Conspiracies that reflect very badly on you as a person" well with the whole Sandy Hook shit, that she requested it, let alone that WWE approved it knowing it would get them negative press If it were me I would have said "No Ronda, I will not bring in the Holocaust denier as a favor to you", I don't care how mad it would make her, I don't care if it'd make her walk, shit ain't worth it. I mean Ronda has been pretty vocal about her beliefs, and to the shock of almost no one here, her incredibly awful views. Between her conspiracy theories and transphobia, it's amazing she's still around considering she is no longer a draw. She gets audiences into it, but I doubt anyone is like "oh hot dang I gotta buy a ticket to see Ronda now!!!!" No UFC fan gives a damn about her anymore and will tune in to watch her wrestle. Especially since the tail end of her UFC career was an absolute embarrassment.
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Post by karl100589 on Nov 29, 2022 13:35:42 GMT -5
It reflects super badly on Ronda, who already has dipped into the "Conspiracies that reflect very badly on you as a person" well with the whole Sandy Hook shit, that she requested it, let alone that WWE approved it knowing it would get them negative press If it were me I would have said "No Ronda, I will not bring in the Holocaust denier as a favor to you", I don't care how mad it would make her, I don't care if it'd make her walk, shit ain't worth it. I mean Ronda has been pretty vocal about her beliefs, and to the shock of almost no one here, her incredibly awful views. Between her conspiracy theories and transphobia, it's amazing she's still around considering she is no longer a draw. She gets audiences into it, but I doubt anyone is like "oh hot dang I gotta buy a ticket to see Ronda now!!!!" No UFC fan gives a damn about her anymore and will tune in to watch her wrestle. Especially since the tail end of her UFC career was an absolute embarrassment.
I guarantee a Ronda comeback fight in the UFC still does 700,000 buys.
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Post by tenshi on Nov 29, 2022 14:15:29 GMT -5
I mean Ronda has been pretty vocal about her beliefs, and to the shock of almost no one here, her incredibly awful views. Between her conspiracy theories and transphobia, it's amazing she's still around considering she is no longer a draw. She gets audiences into it, but I doubt anyone is like "oh hot dang I gotta buy a ticket to see Ronda now!!!!" No UFC fan gives a damn about her anymore and will tune in to watch her wrestle. Especially since the tail end of her UFC career was an absolute embarrassment. I guarantee a Ronda comeback fight in the UFC still does 700,000 buys.
If she comes back,she might be more of a featured bout instead of a headliner and you might have to match her up with someone she can have a good fight with. Miesha Tate is still around but that might be a sad affair...
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