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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 26, 2022 14:43:32 GMT -5
I think the funniest part about the 2015 Royal Rumble is the fact that had Roman been the one to win in 2014 (and not done the ridiculous Cena Lite gimmick changes), they could've salvaged Roman's face run way back then by having him eliminate Batista. Instead, it took them five years and a global pandemic to get Roman to place where he's getting appropriate reactions and has truly found a unique character separate from his Shield days. Naw it was always gonna just take a heel turn. No way in hell Bryan wins the title at Mania if Reigns won the Rumble. Reigns is BETTER than Bryan, remember? If we're in a situation where any given person is to be compared to Reigns, Reigns has to be better.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 26, 2022 14:43:59 GMT -5
OK, since it’s come up a couple of times now, let’s say Reigns wins the 2014 Rumble… What do we think actually happens at that point? Gotta remember, people may have been chanting for him not so much for being Reigns but for being “not Batista”. For all intents and purposes, Orton v Reigns is your WrestleMania 30 world title match (so if you thought he wasn’t ready for it in 2015, a whole year earlier doesn’t help), Bryan’s still on the outside looking in, Punk probably still leaves since his situation doesn’t change, and now you’re gonna have people getting antsy about where this leaves Rollins and Ambrose. I think this still ends up a mess. EDIT: Posted this before eJm’s booking of it I think you're right that it was more people cheering for Not Batista to win rather than simply for Roman himself. 2014 Roman was over but not "we want to see you main event Wrestlemania against Randy Orton" level over. It reminds me of 2017. No one was really desperate for Orton to win the Rumble that year but once it came down to him and Roman suddenly he got a massive pop for doing it. Only afterwards did we realize that oh, Orton v Wyatt sounds like a pretty rough match or Orton v Cena for the millionth time wouldn't be much better. People were just so desperate for Roman not to win like they were for Batista in 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 14:48:34 GMT -5
The worst booked Royal Rumble in history. And not because of who won. It was like a Rumble specifically designed to give your babyface winner a terrible reaction.
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Post by chronocross on Jan 26, 2022 14:53:17 GMT -5
It barely beats out the one the year before as the worst rumble I’ll maintain that 2014 was actually a pretty solid Rumble before it hits #30 and the penny drops. I was watching that Rumble the other day and it's not that bad just Batista winning was not the right call, IMO. The 2015 Rumble was just bad all around after Bryan gets dumped, then they try desperately to get Roman over by having Rock come out there and even he couldn't save this trainwreck.
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Post by greyfmdan on Jan 26, 2022 14:54:36 GMT -5
When they last uploaded that match, I unsubscribed from their YouTube and never looked back. Need to stop reminding us this thing happened, guys. Upload, like, 1990 or something. So crowd sweetening or not? I didn’t see the need to subject myself to that whole thing, but I did forward to near the end out of curiosity. At least on the portion I listened to, it sounded like the boo birds were still there as much as ever.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 26, 2022 15:01:58 GMT -5
As someone else said, a lot of the time when WWE screws up it feels like ignorance or incompetence. Like their way of thinking is so out of step with most of the fans that they THINK they’re doing it right and it doesn’t occur to them why many fans wouldn’t like it.
This, on the other hand, felt like a deliberate slap in the face to fans. This felt like Vince basically going to the fans “I don’t give a crap what you want. This is what you’re getting because I’m Vince McMahon. I’m in charge, I do what I want, and this is what I say should happen.”
It was such a brain dead display of ego and stubbornness.
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Post by J is Justice on Jan 26, 2022 15:04:46 GMT -5
I love this Rumble. It's just so bad it's good. It's like The Room of Rumble matches.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 26, 2022 15:11:06 GMT -5
I just remember that one being a miserable experience. It’s that one and the year before. The only reason 2015 tops 2014 is that Bryan did eventually win the World title at Mania, probably because they were dragged kicking and screaming by the fans who demanded Bryan. They weren’t gonna do that a second time. Plus, they had Roman beat Bryan on the next PPV I believe. So that was another middle finger to the fans.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 26, 2022 15:11:10 GMT -5
I’m glad the Rumble has since rebounded cause there was a two year period there where the company seemingly lost all sense in terms of pacing this kind of match. I honestly think one more bad rumble in succession would have permanently damaged it. It'll probably never be as good as when Pat Patterson booked it but there's no way it should be that difficult to make it meaningful and entertaining. One of the worst things about this one was it removed the smaller stories too, it didn't spark fueds for wm or give a low carder a surprise elimination/performance or anything similar, just big stars being unceremoniously dumped out.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 26, 2022 15:12:41 GMT -5
I always thought the Roman hate started in 2014. So THIS seems to be where it originated from if the posts here are accuarate. The funny thing was, he was in the final two of the 2014 Rumble, and got cheered because they didn’t want Batista winning. The fans were so angry Bryan wasn’t even in it and just knew Batista was winning, that they’d take Roman over Batista, and I think Roman was a heel at the time.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jan 26, 2022 15:17:00 GMT -5
There was a 3 year span in 2014-2016 where the rumble was AWFUL and proved that even WWE can drop the ball on something that should be a sure fire hit like the Royal Rumble. 2014 and 16 had the same problem of the end being crap. Everyone wanted Bryan in 14 and having it be Rey took the wind out of the sails. Not to mention they were really going to book Batista vs Orton for mania, and NO ONE wanted that. It felt like Christmas was ruined.
2016 was not bad but as soon as I heard the HHH theme guitar riff at 31, I instantly shut it off because I knew what they were going to do and wanted no part in seeing it. HHH's "go cry about it on Twitter promo" the Raw after did not help either.
15 However is the most aggravating one because it showed they learned nothing from the year before and it's just one "oh f*** off!" moment after another. My jaw was on the floor not because of the event, but because of how much it was WWE going "HaHa screw you" at its fans.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 26, 2022 15:19:33 GMT -5
The booking was dog shit. Reigns could have still won and I think people would have accepted it if Bryan wasn’t dumped out unceremoniously after a short stint, and Kane/Big Show dominating.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 26, 2022 16:31:20 GMT -5
Looking back they should've kept babyface Shield together longer. Probably another year. They could've still given Roman the big babyface singles push with Ambrose and Rollins being the top tag team at the same time. However for some reason they feel if you're in a tag team or a group you can't challenge for single titles at the same time.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 26, 2022 16:49:52 GMT -5
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jan 26, 2022 17:52:46 GMT -5
I always found it strange that you had this historically bad Rumble match, a mind-bendingly horrible build to Wrestlemania (remember Roman and Brock playing tug of war with the belt)…and it ended with a really entertaining match at Mania with a classic ending.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 26, 2022 18:05:01 GMT -5
I haven't seen a Rumble since, but I'm pretty confident in saying they couldn't book another one worse than this. It might be the most counterproductively booked match WWE has ever presented, in that it didn't just ruin the momentum of one guy, but actively hurt multiple potential stars in the process.
I had tickets to Mania that year too, so I was pretty invested in the result. I don't remember if I expected Bryan to win, but man did I ever hope for it. It's any wonder that Mania ended up being as fun as it was in spite of all the dog shit booking that led into it.
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Post by john84 on Jan 26, 2022 18:05:52 GMT -5
Looking back they should've kept babyface Shield together longer. Probably another year. They could've still given Roman the big babyface singles push with Ambrose and Rollins being the top tag team at the same time. However for some reason they feel if you're in a tag team or a group you can't challenge for single titles at the same time. Or, if they HAD to break SHIELD up to start Roman's push, maybe have him be the one that turned on SHIELD instead of Seth? Wouldn't have happened but a part of me wonders if his initial push might've gone better for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 18:12:17 GMT -5
Cause WWE shat on the fans that night.
It's that simple.
There's one thing you should always do and that's give the fans what they want. That's how money is made. That's how the business gets popular. By ignoring that, you're pissing away everything and turning customers away. Imagine Austin didn't get the push in 98? Imagine Rock didn't get the push?
I always liked Roman but WWE shoving him down the fans throats and saying "THIS IS YOUR GUY, ACCEPT IT!" was the completely wrong way to push him.
Someone else should've won this Rumble. Ambrose maybe. Bryan was riddled with injuries around this point so it was probably a good move not having him win but let him make it to the final 4 at least, goddamn it.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 26, 2022 18:19:49 GMT -5
My prevailing memory of the night is Reigns’ taken aback expression as The Rock hoists up his arms in victory and Philadelphia just showers them both with venom like they both signed up everyone’s grandmas to shady timeshares. Reigns legit looks like he’s just been told ‘here’s the keys to the kingdom, kid. Also the kingdom is on fire.´
Also, let’s not even start of that bizarre blue eye-contacts phase with Reigns. Odd doesn’t even start to cover it.
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Post by john84 on Jan 26, 2022 18:29:28 GMT -5
My prevailing memory of the night is Reigns’ taken aback expression as The Rock hoists up his arms in victory and Philadelphia just showers them both with venom like they both signed up everyone’s grandmas to shady timeshares. Reigns legit looks like he’s just been told ‘here’s the keys to the kingdom, kid. Also the kingdom is on fire.´ Also, let’s not even start of that bizarre blue eye-contacts phase with Reigns. Odd doesn’t even start to cover it. Still makes me laugh the look on The Rock's face when they're booing him
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