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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 26, 2022 18:33:38 GMT -5
Imagine the MCU, but with Thanos winning.
Now in WWE mindset, that makes perfect sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 19:23:54 GMT -5
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 27, 2022 9:29:01 GMT -5
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 27, 2022 9:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 27, 2022 9:56:21 GMT -5
I honestly don't think there will ever be two back-to-back Rumbles as bad as 2014 and 2015. At least 1999 has the benefit in hindsight of being part of the Attitude Era, it was a product of its time and they tried something different. What's always interesting to me about the dynamic of those two in particular is that in 2014 people were ready to cheer Roman simply because they didn't want Batista, and it's almost like WWE took that as "oh good, they like a guy we can get behind!" when they would have cheered like, me in that role.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 27, 2022 11:06:21 GMT -5
I mean, people had kinda sensed what was coming with Reigns since right at the beginning in terms of “He’s their next ace”, and there was a lot of stuff during the Shield run that backed that up, BUT… Shield Reigns was great. And because it was 2014 and we weren’t so far gone yet to poo-poo literally everything that happens before it happens, we kinda figured they’d keep him like that as a singles guy. But again, the warning signs of change were there early. Like one of the first things he did was spike Vickie Guerrero’s water or something? Anyway, the backlash might’ve happened earlier than it did had he not had to take three months off for a hernia, but it definitely didn’t happen wholesale until that next Rumble. He spiked Stephanie's water. Which, regardless of who it was, isn't exactly a babyface thing to do. The key thing, from what I remember, is that they Diesel'd/Cena'd him. Basically took everything that made the dude cool and sanitized it to make it suitable for families, or whatever. Not having him get his own persona and making it be "Not able to get over The Shield breakup despite not doing anything about it" didn't really help either. As Moxley said, if WWE let Roman be Roman, he would not be getting booed out of the building. They should have just let him be the laid back silent badass, the coolest motherf***er in the building. Funny thing is, at the end of 2015, fans started cheering Roman again. He stopped being the family friendly underdog, and just started wrecking shit. Look at TLC 2015 when he wrecked the shit out of the League of Nations and Triple H, after getting f***ed over again. And then the next night on Raw when he took the title from Sheamus. They should have let him be that cat, instead of trying to be Cena. Hogan was Hogan, Austin was Austin, Rock was Rock, and Cena was Cena. Whenever you try to make a guy something he isn't, fans don't respond as well. Luger as Hogan while over, wasn't as popular as Bret. Diesel losing his edge and no longer being the coolest f***er in wrestling, and being slap hands happy face led to bad business. |
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Post by 4real on Jan 27, 2022 12:30:46 GMT -5
Not really a lot more I can add. Awful Rumble the worst I’ve seen. A massive f*** you to the fans.
You had 3 over baby faces in Ziggler, Bryan & Ambrose who fans wanted to see win but WWE wanted what they wanted. Rusev is also the worst booked Rumble runner up ever.
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Post by john84 on Jan 27, 2022 12:36:24 GMT -5
He spiked Stephanie's water. Which, regardless of who it was, isn't exactly a babyface thing to do. The key thing, from what I remember, is that they Diesel'd/Cena'd him. Basically took everything that made the dude cool and sanitized it to make it suitable for families, or whatever. Not having him get his own persona and making it be "Not able to get over The Shield breakup despite not doing anything about it" didn't really help either. As Moxley said, if WWE let Roman be Roman, he would not be getting booed out of the building. They should have just let him be the laid back silent badass, the coolest motherf***er in the building. Funny thing is, at the end of 2015, fans started cheering Roman again. He stopped being the family friendly underdog, and just started wrecking shit. Look at TLC 2015 when he wrecked the shit out of the League of Nations and Triple H, after getting f***ed over again. And then the next night on Raw when he took the title from Sheamus. They should have let him be that cat, instead of trying to be Cena. Hogan was Hogan, Austin was Austin, Rock was Rock, and Cena was Cena. Whenever you try to make a guy something he isn't, fans don't respond as well. Luger as Hogan while over, wasn't as popular as Bret. Diesel losing his edge and no longer being the coolest f***er in wrestling, and being slap hands happy face led to bad business. Whilst I've never been the biggest Roman fan I agree completely with this post Jed. Roman is at his best when he's just being the silent badass, laid back one if he's a face. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 27, 2022 13:05:26 GMT -5
I was mad because they just acted like R Truth could replace D-Von because he’s also a black guy
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Post by msc on Jan 27, 2022 13:14:49 GMT -5
The Royal Rumble, 2015
#1 The Miz, when he was probably his least over in the last decade. He was overshadowed by Mizdow. He'd also had a failed face run earlier.
#2 R-Truth, who hadn't been relevant in years, rehashing a feud most people had forgotten.
#3 Bubba Ray Dudley, fans happy. Doing his bits with Truth suggests no Dvon.
#4 Luke Harper - Popular midcard heel.
Truth and Miz go out but no one really cares.
#5 Bray Wyatt. Popular upper midcarder. Wyatt Family links.
Luke and Bray work on Bubba, and the entire crowd chant for Dvon. Instead, the Wyatts easily eliminate Bubba like he was no threat. Bubba then f***s off and the crowd realise they aren't getting a Dudleys/Wyatt showdown.
Curtis Axel is taken out by Rowan.
#6 is Rowan. We have a 30 second Wyatt Family reunion then betrayal that the crowd lose their shit for. Then Bray easily eliminates Rowan and Harper (who gets left out of the equation for 2015 because it was BD, Before Daniel, but he got 3 mins in this thing too after being a big fan favourite). Talks some trash on the mic
#7 is The Boogeyman. I guess its sort of a nostalgia pop. He goes in and out in pointless time. Bray talks.
#8 is Sin Cara, who gets crushed. Bray talks and seems to set up the scene for mystery number 9.
#9 is Zack Ryder. I'm pretty sure from Brays mic work before hand he was expecting Bryan here and this was a rib. This was Zack Ryder's big return from injury and the crowd go nuts because they always loved that guy. He gets killed inside a minute and tossed out easily.
For those of you keeping score at home, that's 3 crowd favourites gone within 3 minutes tops so far.
#10 is Daniel Bryan, and even at the time this felt too early a number for someone coming back from so serious an injury. He looks off his game, and has a terrible, terrible haircut, but the fans go nuts because, you know, its Bryan. He and Bray always had good chemistry but we never got Bryan v Bray for the belt until the Fiend. And Bryan never beat Bray Wyatt!
#11 is Fandango. A cult favourite lower midcarder. He's in this till Rusev and actually gets one of the better spots to shine in the entire match. And f*** all of a push for the next 5 years.
#12 is Tyson Kidd. Only just starting his career renaissance in NXT/with Cesaro. Alas, his career ending injury was less than 6 months away. After 90 seconds or so he takes a horrific elimination bump when you consider his future neck issues.
#13 is Stardust, Cody Rhodes in a godawful gimmick no one likes. He looks depressed, he wrestles depressed, its dreadful.
#14 is DDP. Crowd happy to see him. Diamond Cutters for all.
#15 is Rusev.
Out goes DDP, as expected, being a nearly 60 year old legend. Out goes Fandango who lasted longer than expected. And then out goes Bryan. Loud boos. Crowd very angry. Bray tries to play off it but gives up quickly as he reads the room.
#16 is GOldust, and Shattered Dreams showing up on the screen as Bryan sits on the ramp is A+ quality trolling. Crowd angry. Star and Goldust have some contretemps. No one cares.
#17 is Kofi Kingston and no one cares.
#18 is Adam Rose, who is in and out in less time than Gillberg. Kofi crowd surfs the entourage, then gets back in the ring and eliminated immediately. So the crowd went from booing because Kofi was there to booing because Kofi got eliminated. It was almost meta - "Its not personal, Kofi, we're just pissed. Also, now we're also pissed you've been jobbed out, too."
We're now at 5 names the crowd liked who were in and out really quickly and made to look a bit rubbish.
#19 is Roman Reigns. So many boos. He eliminated Goldust and Stardust and no one cares. He then spends most of the next 20 minutes hiding in the corner doing f*** all in the match.
#20 is Big E, before he was popular. No one cares. Crowd still shocked by the Bryan stuff. The in ring action is Rusev and Bray Wyatt taking on Big E, which isn't as exciting as it sounds.
#21 is Mizdow. They tease him not entering, they tease Miz going in, finally Mizdow enters the ring to a HUGE POP, and is thrown out by Rusev immediately. 15 seconds or so in.
We're now at 6 names the crowd liked who were in and out really quickly and made to look a bit rubbish.
#22 is Jack Swagger, and he gets the crowd chanting for USA like he's been possessed by Jim Duggan. Crowd warming up for him against Rusev. Lukewarm but better than 10 minutes ago.
#23 is Ryback who is mega popular. Clotheslines for all. Gets the crowd chanting Feed Me More. You could win this crowd back here. Ryback hits some Ryback type moves. Crowd are happy-ish.
#24 is Kane, to groans.
#25 is Dean Ambrose and the crowd lose their shit. Makes it sound like Ryback got a polite clap. They are alive and 100% behind Mox here.
#26 is Titus. He gets in and is eliminated in 4 seconds by Ambrose and Roman Reigns, who briefly woke up from his nap to do something in this match.
#27 is Bad News Barrett, who gets a sort of "hey, this guy is cool" minor pop. Anytime Ambrose or Ryback do anything, crowd come alive.
#28 is Cesaro, who gets a "yeah, we like you too" pop but considerably cooler than he otherwise got at the time.
#29 is Big Show. Oh boy.
Big Show and Kane immediately team up to eliminate Ryback, because you need to get the 2nd most popular guy in there out quickly.
They then eliminate Jack Swagger. I'm not pretending he was Mr Popular in WWE, but when a crowd is willing to chant with him post-Bryan, its not a crowd you've lost entirely.
#30 is Dolph Ziggler. Crowd love him. He's at his most popular here.
Oh boy.
Ziggler gets rid of Barrett and Cesaro because they are only being used as fodder. Then, fresh as a daisy, he jumps into Big Shows KO punch, and Big Show and Kane drag him out of the ring and he flops to the floor.
We're now at 8 names the crowd liked who were in and out really quickly and made to look a bit rubbish. And I didn't count DDP or Jack Swagger here.
Bray gets the punch, slow pick up, tossed out like a sack of shit elimination.
Then it looks like they will do The Shield v The Authority, but not to worry - Ambrose gets the punch and tossed out like a sack of shit elimination very quickly.
10 names now, btw. 10 crowd favourites in and out of the match like they were rubbish non-entities. ONE THIRD OF THE ENTIRE MATCH.
So its now Authority v Reigns, and they slowly pound Reigns, who is still sleepy, until he falls down. Then Kane and Big Show bicker for no reason and try to eliminate each other, letting Reigns slowly eliminate both.
Then they get back in the ring and slowly beat on Reigns, so The Rock comes out and the crowd go nuclear.
Bad guys go away, The Rock celebrates with Reigns and gets booed.
Rusev is woken up from a big kip on the floor. Crowd treats this anti-US heel like the Saviour. He's immediately squashed and eliminated.
So yeah, 1/3rd of the names in were crowd favourites treated like shit. The whole Bryan thing was an obvious troll. But they made one of the Rumble build up points Zigglers stamina and how the Authority were going to screw him over with an early draw, only for him to get 30 and be defeated super easily. The entire thing is treatise in not giving people what they want.
Also, Reigns is booked as the cowardliest Rumble winner of all time. He sits in a corner, and only occasionally gets involved in the match. They wanted Reigns to be their man but lacked courage in the conviction. If you had him come in around 27 or 28 and just wreck everyone's shit, people would have been less pissed. Annoyed, yes, but at least that's understandable.
It's just a badly structured match from start to finish. Deliberately so.
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Post by DSR on Jan 27, 2022 13:20:00 GMT -5
I honestly don't think there will ever be two back-to-back Rumbles as bad as 2014 and 2015. At least 1999 has the benefit in hindsight of being part of the Attitude Era, it was a product of its time and they tried something different. What's always interesting to me about the dynamic of those two in particular is that in 2014 people were ready to cheer Roman simply because they didn't want Batista, and it's almost like WWE took that as "oh good, they like a guy we can get behind!" when they would have cheered like, me in that role. *You and Batista are the final two in the Rumble* Me, in the crowd: "Nothin' from nowhere, I'm no one at all,
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jan 27, 2022 15:01:06 GMT -5
The old adage of a picture being worth a thousand words never rang more true than seeing the look on The Rock's face when he raised Roman's hand:  |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 27, 2022 15:13:18 GMT -5
He spiked Stephanie's water. Which, regardless of who it was, isn't exactly a babyface thing to do. The key thing, from what I remember, is that they Diesel'd/Cena'd him. Basically took everything that made the dude cool and sanitized it to make it suitable for families, or whatever. Not having him get his own persona and making it be "Not able to get over The Shield breakup despite not doing anything about it" didn't really help either. As Moxley said, if WWE let Roman be Roman, he would not be getting booed out of the building. They should have just let him be the laid back silent badass, the coolest motherf***er in the building. Funny thing is, at the end of 2015, fans started cheering Roman again. He stopped being the family friendly underdog, and just started wrecking shit. Look at TLC 2015 when he wrecked the shit out of the League of Nations and Triple H, after getting f***ed over again. And then the next night on Raw when he took the title from Sheamus. They should have let him be that cat, instead of trying to be Cena. Hogan was Hogan, Austin was Austin, Rock was Rock, and Cena was Cena. Whenever you try to make a guy something he isn't, fans don't respond as well. Luger as Hogan while over, wasn't as popular as Bret. Diesel losing his edge and no longer being the coolest f***er in wrestling, and being slap hands happy face led to bad business. This isn't true with Diesel (he was positioned very explicitly IN OPPOSITION to smiling babyface characters) and it wouldn't have been true with Roman either. He was too obviously Chosen From On High. He would have to go over everyone, ALWAYS be the coolest and strongest and awesomest guy in the room. And Bryan (etc) was always there getting natural underdog sympathy. I know this in part because it's what ALWAYS happens, and also from the fact that it eventually happened to Roman. We finally, finally got the heel we always were asking for, and hey nice people liked it! And then he kept winning. And kept winning. And we stopped liking it. |
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Jan 27, 2022 15:13:45 GMT -5
I was mad because they just acted like R Truth could replace D-Von because he’s also a black guy YEAH WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT ABOUT |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 27, 2022 15:36:01 GMT -5
I watched this live UK time and the cab driver on the way home asked for results and then talked a whole bunch of shit about it
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 27, 2022 15:39:34 GMT -5
#16 is GOldust, and Shattered Dreams showing up on the screen as Bryan sits on the ramp is A+ quality trolling. Thanks for reminding me about this part, Bryan getting tossed and "SHATTERED DREAMS" appearing on the 'tron seconds later was hilarious. |
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Post by john84 on Jan 27, 2022 15:48:25 GMT -5
The old adage of a picture being worth a thousand words never rang more true than seeing the look on The Rock's face when he raised Roman's hand: Never ceases to make me laugh when I see the look of confusion of Rock's face  |
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 27, 2022 17:47:35 GMT -5
That was an hour long f*** you as provided by Vince McMahon.
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 27, 2022 20:46:50 GMT -5
The old adage of a picture being worth a thousand words never rang more true than seeing the look on The Rock's face when he raised Roman's hand: Never ceases to make me laugh when I see the look of confusion of Rock's face To this day I love that all of Dwayne's acting ability in the world couldn't save him in the moment of Vince's finest middle finger to the fans. |
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Post by thehottag on Jan 28, 2022 2:07:06 GMT -5
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