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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2022 10:56:26 GMT -5
Sherlock - once a show about someone solving crime mysteries… later became a show about the detective dealing with personal bullshit. It'd have not been as bad if not for it also having them set up "how did Sherlock survive?", along with stoking the flames by encouraging fans to come up with theories, etc. They then flatly refused to provide any answer, mocked fans on the show as being losers for caring, and seemed to have contempt for the idea that anyone would ever want to know. Vince hates his own fans less than Steven Moffat. |
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Post by thechase on Jan 31, 2022 11:18:43 GMT -5
Sherlock - once a show about someone solving crime mysteries… later became a show about the detective dealing with personal bullshit. It'd have not been as bad if not for it also having them set up "how did Sherlock survive?", along with stoking the flames by encouraging fans to come up with theories, etc. They then flatly refused to provide any answer, mocked fans on the show as being losers for caring, and seemed to have contempt for the idea that anyone would ever want to know. Vince hates his own fans less than Steven Moffat. Sherlock seasons one and two are classics Sherlock seasons three and four are post-Rob Grant Red Dwarf. |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 31, 2022 11:41:08 GMT -5
Sherlock - once a show about someone solving crime mysteries… later became a show about the detective dealing with personal bullshit. It'd have not been as bad if not for it also having them set up "how did Sherlock survive?", along with stoking the flames by encouraging fans to come up with theories, etc. They then flatly refused to provide any answer, mocked fans on the show as being losers for caring, and seemed to have contempt for the idea that anyone would ever want to know. Vince hates his own fans less than Steven Moffat. And that was still somehow better than "Sherlock deals with his sister who has actual f***ing superpowers" |
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Post by Flo360 on Jan 31, 2022 11:52:27 GMT -5
The prototypical example of this has to be the middle of Twin Peaks S2, no? Where the show stops being an occult murder mystery and becomes about a remedial superwoman and a motherf***er dressed up as a Llama, shedding about ten million viewers in the process See...That is where you might be wrong. I always felt the occult murder mystery was a front for Lynch, to get all this other beautiful weirdness on TV. It still fascinates me, that he sold that thing to a station in the USA. A country with famously shallow viewership. That wonderful bastard. |
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Post by peaches1 on Jan 31, 2022 11:55:10 GMT -5
SVU started as the darker & edgier version of Law & Order. After a few seasons the show started a deep dive into batshit insane melodrama that seems to have made it exponentially more popular than it's predecessor ever was. I watched the original every air date and only watch the new seasons on reruns years later due to work but I like the last 5+ years better than the first 10+. The original episodes were pretty sick with the storylines and Meloni and Pino's characters doing the police brutality gimmick got old fast. With the newer seasons it can get a bit dramatic and very much tends to the liberal side which is funny because the creator is not...but I like it being more towards real life stories and situations. It's definitely more towards being "ripped from the headlines" the last few years. I personally like the more new actors like Kellie Giddish and Peter Scanavino than Mariska. Ice T I like because he's not forced down our throats like Mariska. It's a cast show, not the Marsika Hargitay show but most episodes I see they are always putting her in the mix of the situations. The original series was so different from the first year to the last few, it was like it wasn't the same show. After 10 or more years it almost existed simply to break the record for longest show. I do think SVU has far surpassed the original so the actors and writers should be proud of that. I'm a casual viewer who only catches episodes when my mother has it on but even I can see how the later episodes make more of an effort to deal with not only the victim's dealing with trauma but the struggles the cops have as well with investigating the kind of crimes they do. It's a lot less glib and exploitive than the earlier seasons. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2022 12:14:40 GMT -5
Yu Yu Hakusho is a show about a delinquent who investigates paranormal stuff. Until it just kind of turns into a tournament fighter show and it becomes barely relevant why.
Bleach had a pretty similar path, really. Teen combats evil spirits, but then gets pulled into a tournament in all but name, with Tite Kubo introducing literal dozens of characters and just completely getting in over his head. It was like he had been diagnosed with some kind of illness and was trying to introduce every character he could possibly think of in case he wouldn't live to show them all to us. Surprisingly, this destroyed the pacing to legendary degrees.
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Post by thechase on Jan 31, 2022 12:25:07 GMT -5
TMNT 2003 starts out as a semi-faithful interpretation of the comics, even when they finished "Return to New York" and it became it's own unique animal in parts, it still kept adapting stories from the classic volumes and weaving it well into their own story.
Then Fast Forward happened, and it became full-on light'n'quippy, and very toyetic, Saturday morning fare. It only lasted one further season and an anniversary crossover movie (and the crossover movie is the only thing people remember about the last season) before the axe fell.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 31, 2022 12:30:28 GMT -5
Might be misremembering it but Family Matters went from an ensemble cast family themed show spotlighting Urkel to Zany: The Urkel Show. Basically. It wasn't necessarily a bad thing, though. Urkel was overplayed, but he was still a unique gimmick. Without it, it's mostly just Carl Winslow doing a Jackie Gleason impression. I guess it'd be interesting to see how it'd have evolved without the show leaning so heavily on Steve, though. Similarly, Happy Days was meant to be about the Cunninghams and be a true 50s throwback. Then it became all about the possibly-metahuman Arthur Fonzarelli and...really didn't stick to its time period. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 31, 2022 12:51:02 GMT -5
Star Trek Voyager after one episode. It was supposed to be about a ship struggling on the other side of the galaxy with no support and two different crews of Starfleet officers and Maquis terrorists at odds with each other. It never happened.
seaQuest DSV degenerated from a science based show in the first season to utter crap which alienated Roy Schieder and had massive cast changes.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 31, 2022 13:06:31 GMT -5
Classic example: The Patty Duke Show very quickly ran out of things to do with the whole identical cousins thing, and so it just became a typical family sit-com where two of the characters happen to be played by the same actress.
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Jan 31, 2022 13:21:43 GMT -5
Might be misremembering it but Family Matters went from an ensemble cast family themed show spotlighting Urkel to Zany: The Urkel Show. Basically. It wasn't necessarily a bad thing, though. Urkel was overplayed, but he was still a unique gimmick. Without it, it's mostly just Carl Winslow doing a Jackie Gleason impression. I guess it'd be interesting to see how it'd have evolved without the show leaning so heavily on Steve, though. Language Warning |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2022 15:11:35 GMT -5
Classic example: The Patty Duke Show very quickly ran out of things to do with the whole identical cousins thing, and so it just became a typical family sit-com where two of the characters happen to be played by the same actress. Similarly, Harry and the Hendersons just did typical sitcom shit after a while, seemingly deciding they'd exhausted "Bigfoot lives with them" as a premise.. Yes, there was a Harry and the Hendersons TV sitcom. It had 3 seasons, somehow. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 31, 2022 17:02:12 GMT -5
The Goldberg. Considering it was the Real Adam Goldber’s memories about his quirky family has become the wacky adventures of Barry and Mrs. Goldberg. Or that Parody show That can be attributed to the fact that the Network basically froze out Adam F Goldberg. He said something about a year or so ago about how they mo longer take his input for storylines and went their own way |
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 31, 2022 17:24:16 GMT -5
It'd have not been as bad if not for it also having them set up "how did Sherlock survive?", along with stoking the flames by encouraging fans to come up with theories, etc. They then flatly refused to provide any answer, mocked fans on the show as being losers for caring, and seemed to have contempt for the idea that anyone would ever want to know. Vince hates his own fans less than Steven Moffat. Sherlock seasons one and two are classics Sherlock seasons three and four are post-Rob Grant Red Dwarf. Worse, it's post-Red Dwarf Rob Grant. |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 31, 2022 18:20:24 GMT -5
It'd have not been as bad if not for it also having them set up "how did Sherlock survive?", along with stoking the flames by encouraging fans to come up with theories, etc. They then flatly refused to provide any answer, mocked fans on the show as being losers for caring, and seemed to have contempt for the idea that anyone would ever want to know. Vince hates his own fans less than Steven Moffat. Sherlock seasons one and two are classics Sherlock seasons three and four are post-Rob Grant Red Dwarf. Being a huge Sherlock Holmes fan, I fell in love with this series at first, but upon repeat viewings it really started to fall apart. I will say my favorite episode is probably His Last Vow, I genuinely enjoyed the twists and turns. |
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jan 31, 2022 23:33:00 GMT -5
Schitt's Creek moved on from the Rose's trying to sell the town and get rich again by season 2 at the latest. Not really... they weren't able to sell the town, but the end goal was always the same. The way to get there just changed for the family. And the show overall was more about the family growing together than just getting rich again. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 31, 2022 23:38:06 GMT -5
Angel went from supernatural noir detective show to running an evil law firm that has a luchadore as a mail courier. And that ended up being the best season of the show by far. Amazing.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 31, 2022 23:40:54 GMT -5
Twin Peaks went from trying to solve a teen girl's murder to...something else entirely.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 1, 2022 5:30:02 GMT -5
Sherlock seasons one and two are classics Sherlock seasons three and four are post-Rob Grant Red Dwarf. Worse, it's post-Red Dwarf Rob Grant. Dude left Red Dwarf saying "I want more than just Red Dwarf on my tombstone." I'd say having Dark Ages, The Strangerers, and Quanderhorn on his tombstone makes the Red Dwarf part significantly less impressive. |
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Post by thechase on Feb 1, 2022 6:27:44 GMT -5
Why Don't You? (albeit very briefly), largely an edutainment show shown in the summer holidays on CBBC where the kid presenters would show you how to make and bake things. At some point, it became a drama where the kids battled an evil supercomputer.
The editor of the show at the time was some welsh toff called Russel T. Davies.
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