🧨 Dynamite Thread 2/2/22 - Danhausen Without a Planhausen

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Feb 2, 2022 22:36:05 GMT -5 petef3 said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:32:41 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

Yeah, that match was terrible and weird in my opinion. The whiffed no future was just…strange. I couldn’t tell if it was intentional or a botch cover up.

This is the type of thing I was talking about when I dared to say Ruby wasn't really that good earlier in the thread that had so many people up in arms. That spot was embarrassing.

Just a thought here...the false finish early in the Punk-MJF planted a seed, and we were all kind of surprised to see MJF come out at 9:13. What if that *had* been the finish? Should AEW do something like that at some point just to change things up? Tonight's match was fantastic, but I wonder if the drama would increase somewhat if a "main event" actually ended at 10:35 pm. Like, how many of us would really have felt cheated if MJF-Punk ended for real the first time? It would add some drama into the early minutes of matches and keep viewers on their toes instead of getting up to throw in some laundry or take the dog outside knowing they won't really miss anything until 10:55. 

I do NOT want AEW routinely booking matches on the fly like WWE does every week, but an occasional shock finish and a "standby match" I feel wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Yeah, I’ll go on record as saying that I actually tend to agree with you on the Ruby point. I’ve found her AEW run thusfar to be super underwhelming, particularly against the backdrop of all the hype she came in with.

There’s tons of girls who routinely wrestle on Dark, like Kiera Hogan, Reka Tehaka, and KiLynn King, whose matches I generally enjoy more than Ruby’s.

But, Ruby’s got star quality, so I’m hoping she finds her stride soon.

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Feb 2, 2022 22:42:58 GMT -5 asuka007 said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:13:08 GMT -5 RKTaker said:

this is what AEW does though remember when people thought page was never gonna beat onega?

Now every story needs to be dragged out super long. When you do it too much, it loses it’s effect. And one of my critiques about AEW is that they try and drag too much stuff out for too long coughBrittBakeraschampioncough.

Just saying “it’s what they do” doesn’t mean it HAS to be that way.

They have done the “slow burn” here, now time to pay it off imo.

Well lucky for us, we have a PPV coming up where these types of storylines are supposed to be paid off. Lol

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 2, 2022 22:42:58 GMT -5 asuka007 said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:13:08 GMT -5 RKTaker said:

this is what AEW does though remember when people thought page was never gonna beat onega?

Now every story needs to be dragged out super long. When you do it too much, it loses it’s effect. And one of my critiques about AEW is that they try and drag too much stuff out for too long coughBrittBakeraschampioncough.

Just saying “it’s what they do” doesn’t mean it HAS to be that way.

They have done the “slow burn” here, now time to pay it off imo.

There were two long term feuds set up from almost the beginning of the company, Hangman/Omega, and Wardlow/MJF, one has paid off, the other is heading to the payoff after starting to escalate

The notion that they do this for every feud is really stretching it. In terms of stretching out feuds, they dont let everything play out this long, especially as long as those two particularly have, hence why people cared so much

And I get people hate Britt Baker now... but I still stand pat she's losing the belt soon too, they just need to get to building for it, I assume after Rosa/Martinez it's going to happen

[Mecca]

Feb 2, 2022 22:43:58 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:36:05 GMT -5 petef3 said:

This is the type of thing I was talking about when I dared to say Ruby wasn't really that good earlier in the thread that had so many people up in arms. That spot was embarrassing.

Just a thought here...the false finish early in the Punk-MJF planted a seed, and we were all kind of surprised to see MJF come out at 9:13. What if that *had* been the finish? Should AEW do something like that at some point just to change things up? Tonight's match was fantastic, but I wonder if the drama would increase somewhat if a "main event" actually ended at 10:35 pm. Like, how many of us would really have felt cheated if MJF-Punk ended for real the first time? It would add some drama into the early minutes of matches and keep viewers on their toes instead of getting up to throw in some laundry or take the dog outside knowing they won't really miss anything until 10:55. 

I do NOT want AEW routinely booking matches on the fly like WWE does every week, but an occasional shock finish and a "standby match" I feel wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Yeah, I’ll go on record as saying that I actually tend to agree with you on the Ruby point. I’ve found her AEW run thusfar to be super underwhelming, particularly against the backdrop of all the hype she came in with.

There’s tons of girls who routinely wrestle on Dark, like Kiera Hogan, Reka Tehaka, and KiLynn King, whose matches I generally enjoy more than Ruby’s.

But, Ruby’s got star quality, so I’m hoping she finds her stride soon.

Ruby's been hurt a lot too, I dunno she may be one of those workers that never really hits what they should have because shoulder surgery etc.

[asuka007]

It better happen there. That’s my point.

Also people keep bringing up Omega vs. Page and for me that isn’t much of a defense. I never got bored with that story.

I am starting to get bored with this one. If Wardlow is still being a b***h and taking MJF’s crap post-Revolution, there’s a problem.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 2, 2022 22:36:05 GMT -5 petef3 said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:32:41 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

Yeah, that match was terrible and weird in my opinion. The whiffed no future was just…strange. I couldn’t tell if it was intentional or a botch cover up.

This is the type of thing I was talking about when I dared to say Ruby wasn't really that good earlier in the thread that had so many people up in arms. That spot was embarrassing.

It was a planned spot and was clearly set up for Nyla to hit her moves and win, and people deservedly got up in arms for it, because your opinion of Ruby being shit is eye rollingly obnoxious tbh, she's had several great matches in the company already. 

[asuka007]

Feb 2, 2022 22:46:32 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:42:58 GMT -5 asuka007 said:

Now every story needs to be dragged out super long. When you do it too much, it loses it’s effect. And one of my critiques about AEW is that they try and drag too much stuff out for too long coughBrittBakeraschampioncough.

Just saying “it’s what they do” doesn’t mean it HAS to be that way.

They have done the “slow burn” here, now time to pay it off imo.

There were two long term feuds set up from almost the beginning of the company, Hangman/Omega, and Wardlow/MJF, one has paid off, the other is heading to the payoff after starting to escalate

The notion that they do this for every feud is really stretching it. In terms of stretching out feuds, they dont let everything play out this long, especially as long as those two particularly have, hence why people cared so much

And I get people hate Britt Baker now... but I still stand pat she's losing the belt soon too, they just need to get to building for it, I assume after Rosa/Martinez it's going to happen

Just last year they stretched out a bunch of midcard feuds. BF vs. HFO went on for ages. Cole vs. OC went on too long, TayJay vs. Ford and Bunny as well, etc.

And they have four weeks or so until the PPV, they NEED to get that Britt vs. Rosa stuff going then.

[RKTaker]

Feb 2, 2022 22:48:05 GMT -5 asuka007 said:

It better happen there. That’s my point.

Also people keep bringing up Omega vs. Page and for me that isn’t much of a defense. I never got bored with that story.

I am starting to get bored with this one. If Wardlow is still being a b***h and taking MJF’s crap post-Revolution, there’s a problem.

you never got bored with omega constantly beating down page and page keeping on losing his #1 contendership?

[petef3]

Feb 2, 2022 22:48:55 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:36:05 GMT -5 petef3 said:

This is the type of thing I was talking about when I dared to say Ruby wasn't really that good earlier in the thread that had so many people up in arms. That spot was embarrassing.

It was a planned spot and was clearly set up for Nyla to hit her moves and win, and people deservedly got up in arms for it, because your opinion of Ruby being shit is eye rollingly obnoxious tbh, she's had several great matches in the company already. 

She's had several okay-to-decent ones and some bad ones. Her next great match in AEW will be her first.

It was a "planned spot" for her to try to do No Future and not come within 5 feet of Nyla? 

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Feb 2, 2022 22:48:55 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:36:05 GMT -5 petef3 said:

This is the type of thing I was talking about when I dared to say Ruby wasn't really that good earlier in the thread that had so many people up in arms. That spot was embarrassing.

It was a planned spot and was clearly set up for Nyla to hit her moves and win, and people deservedly got up in arms for it, because your opinion of Ruby being shit is eye rollingly obnoxious tbh, she's had several great matches in the company already. 

What’s the spot though? Why would she wildly miss on her finisher like that? Nyla didn’t pull back to get her off balance, it’s just Ruby goobing it like an idiot

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 2, 2022 22:56:09 GMT -5 petef3 said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:48:55 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

It was a planned spot and was clearly set up for Nyla to hit her moves and win, and people deservedly got up in arms for it, because your opinion of Ruby being shit is eye rollingly obnoxious tbh, she's had several great matches in the company already. 

She's had several okay-to-decent ones and some bad ones. Her next great match in AEW will be her first.

It was a "planned spot" for her to try to do No Future and not come within 5 feet of Nyla? 

Yeah it was, as far as I see it. She won the first match with a No Future on the ropes, but Nyla was lower and not on the top rope, she did her damndest to do it again because she needed a way to end the match, a last ditch effort, and she could not get her legs up high enough and fell to the ground, Nyla immediately capitalized and won. If it was a botch, it was seamless because the finish happened immediately, didn't seem like it to me.

And difference of opinion I guess, Ruby's had very solid matches, she's really great at selling and might be the best babyface in peril they have

[Mecca]

Feb 2, 2022 22:56:38 GMT -5 champchumpchange said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:48:55 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

It was a planned spot and was clearly set up for Nyla to hit her moves and win, and people deservedly got up in arms for it, because your opinion of Ruby being shit is eye rollingly obnoxious tbh, she's had several great matches in the company already. 

What’s the spot though? Why would she wildly miss on her finisher like that? Nyla didn’t pull back to get her off balance, it’s just Ruby goobing it like an idiot

I don't think it's it's smart if it was done on purpose, it just makes it look like you f***ed up.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 2, 2022 22:56:38 GMT -5 champchumpchange said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:48:55 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

It was a planned spot and was clearly set up for Nyla to hit her moves and win, and people deservedly got up in arms for it, because your opinion of Ruby being shit is eye rollingly obnoxious tbh, she's had several great matches in the company already. 

What’s the spot though? Why would she wildly miss on her finisher like that? Nyla didn’t pull back to get her off balance, it’s just Ruby goobing it like an idiot

Nyla was too high up, Ruby probably thought she could hit it, and just couldn't. She won with a No Future with Nyla in the ropes before but not with her right at the top, was her trying to play off how she won, but it wasnt enough.

Good way to build to a third match I thought 

[petef3]

Ruby also had a terrible match with Jade--which is damning, because Jade as limited and green as she is *has* had good matches with Anna Jay and Thunder Rosa. She's carryable. Ruby couldn't carry her.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 2, 2022 23:00:04 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Feb 2, 2022 22:56:38 GMT -5 champchumpchange said:

What’s the spot though? Why would she wildly miss on her finisher like that? Nyla didn’t pull back to get her off balance, it’s just Ruby goobing it like an idiot

I don't think it's it's smart if it was done on purpose, it just makes it look like you f***ed up.

Thats why I liked it if it was intentional though like... not every wrestler is going to be perfect, she tried to hit No Future in a precarious spot and couldnt

This will probably play into match three. She won with No Future in the ropes match one, failed match two

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 2, 2022 23:01:14 GMT -5 petef3 said:

Ruby also had a terrible match with Jade--which is damning, because Jade as limited and green as she is *has* had good matches with Anna Jay and Thunder Rosa. She's carryable. Ruby couldn't carry her.

That match with Thunder Rosa was just as criticized as her match with Ruby was, so that's just flat out revisionist history to try and make Ruby look bad. Many people thought Anna's match with Jade was her best. 

[Blade]

As he said, it was a clear callback to the finish of their first match.

If it had been a f***up, it was a f***up that was instantly and smoothly played into the finish, which is what you're supposed to do with wrestling botches.

Mostly likely they should have given the heads up to the announcers so they could sell the psychology here.

[petef3]

Feb 2, 2022 23:03:07 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Feb 2, 2022 23:01:14 GMT -5 petef3 said:

Ruby also had a terrible match with Jade--which is damning, because Jade as limited and green as she is *has* had good matches with Anna Jay and Thunder Rosa. She's carryable. Ruby couldn't carry her.

That match with Thunder Rosa was just as criticized as her match with Ruby was, so that's just flat out revisionist history to try and make Ruby look bad. Many people thought Anna's match with Jade was her best. 

I remember people not liking the finish, but the match itself was good. If people disagree, fine, but not many matches have a universal consensus anyway. I'm not going to add "...but of course some people may disagree" after every single declarative sentence.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

I also guess I dreamt that match with Ruby vs Bunny that everyone said was fantastic, and ended up beating Roman and Brock in the key demo

And then them running back another good match in the tourney, and then the Nyla/Ruby match one people also really liked, or Ruby vs Statlander which was regarded as one of the best AEW Women's matches people had seen in recent memory.

Like this sudden narrative that Ruby isn't good is baffling to me, I can usually just agree to disagree but you actively have to try and ignore the majority of Ruby's run and hard focus on this spot specifically botch or not to say she is not a good worker. And also hate the Jade Cargill match she had and blame it specifically on her which is just... even more baffling.

[champchumpchange]

She missed by a wiiiiiiiiild margin.