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Post by Kalmia on Feb 24, 2022 4:58:19 GMT -5
Haven't the Acclaimed already had a title match against the current champs? AEW typically doesn't give contenders a second title match. In fact, Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus have already beaten three of the top five, so if anything, this triple threat should have FTR and King's of the Black Throne in it.
But really, I think people need to stop looking at the rankings like they're some set in stone, objective thing. They're worked rankings used for storyline purposes. That's it. Just another tool to make matches and see, clearly, who is being pushed.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 24, 2022 7:44:03 GMT -5
I swear they will have 20 matches in a row decided by the rankings and then do something different and some people go " see the rankings dont matter".
Yes the ranking matter and also yes its not the only way to get a title shot
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Post by dbrussel on Feb 24, 2022 8:04:45 GMT -5
What? All the #1 Ranked wrestlers have a title match at revolution, except the tag titles cause is a 3 way match.
Not the moment to complain right now. There have been moments in the past where the rankings were used poorly.
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Post by flowercity on Feb 24, 2022 12:10:22 GMT -5
AEW rankings matter in the exact same way the UFC rankings matter. Which, to me, seems like the point.
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 24, 2022 12:18:14 GMT -5
then there's the random appearance of say matt sydel into the top 5 just in time for him to lose a match to, i think it was andrade, to build up andrade's stature because "see he beat someone who is ranked" in one of his earliest matches. then there's the times it's used as filler. so say the bucks are ranked #4- storyline has them as the obvious main threat to the tag champs but teams 1-3 are ahead of them so it lets the champs defend successfully against two or three of the teams ahead of the bucks to knock them down and let the bucks "earn" their #1 spot by moving up one team at a time (maybe beat one of the teams themselves depending on how long to the next major PPV) before conveniently ending up at #1 just in time for the PPV.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 2, 2022 23:04:05 GMT -5
So being #1 in the rankings doesn’t even get them a late spot in the casino battle Royal?
A battle Royal that half a dozen teams that LOST last week got a second chance in?
This had damned well better lead to Acclaimed (rightly) calling foul.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 2, 2022 23:09:17 GMT -5
So being #1 in the rankings doesn’t even get them a late spot in the casino battle Royal? A battle Royal that half a dozen teams that LOST last week got a second chance in? This had damned well better lead to Acclaimed (rightly) calling foul. They lost a tag title match already, while they're still number one, AEW doesnt usually do multiple shots with the same champion That being said they literally called it out in Caster's rap tonight, it's clearly something they know is there.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Mar 2, 2022 23:58:37 GMT -5
The rankings system is an Irish Whip for me. By which I mean it's a contrivance that seems to collapse under even the most generous standards of logic and realism, but it still serves a purpose when you set the obvious "but why wouldn't ..." question aside.
Done well, rankings put little extra shine on various wrestlers without cluttering up the company with an excess of belts. It'll never hold up to scrutiny as to why sometimes the #1 ranked person gets the PPV title shot and sometimes not, but it's an easy thing for wrestlers and/or commentators to call attention to, and you can conveniently press the reset button every year. They can be the launching point for an angle, or just a background detail to keep some low-key hype on someone who's going to be moved up to a bigger program in the future.
The trick is finding the right ratio of realism to utter nonsense, which I guess is the art of pro wrestling in general. Ideally they need to land somewhere in the middle between "this is a strict, reliable, boringly predictable system" and "this is a blatant storytelling device, and only means something when we want it to".
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Mar 3, 2022 20:04:13 GMT -5
So being #1 in the rankings doesn’t even get them a late spot in the casino battle Royal? A battle Royal that half a dozen teams that LOST last week got a second chance in? This had damned well better lead to Acclaimed (rightly) calling foul. They lost a tag title match already, while they're still number one, AEW doesnt usually do multiple shots with the same champion That being said they literally called it out in Caster's rap tonight, it's clearly something they know is there. See, I took Caster’s rap as a more “wait, why aren’t we getting the shot?” which, yeah. They should be. I know you’ve said they don’t like to do the multiple shots to the challengers, but that hinders the rankings system if #1 can’t challenge more than once. You have a built in story of a team climbing their way back up the rankings to challenge once more, so why not go that route and try? Also, it’s never been an out and out rule that challengers only get one shot at a champion. Going further, it would be silly of them to do so, since you quickly limit credible challenges and end up with, say, The Gunn Club or Varsity Blondes challenging when you, me, and the whole board knows they aren’t winning. I’m not against battle royals to give someone a springboard, but if they’re gonna continue to put out updated rankings every week, I don’t think it’s too much to hold them accountable and ask why the #1 Ranked Team, who I’m assuming got back there after their last shot, isn’t involved in a title match.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 3, 2022 20:08:25 GMT -5
They lost a tag title match already, while they're still number one, AEW doesnt usually do multiple shots with the same champion That being said they literally called it out in Caster's rap tonight, it's clearly something they know is there. See, I took Caster’s rap as a more “wait, why aren’t we getting the shot?” which, yeah. They should be. I know you’ve said they don’t like to do the multiple shots to the challengers, but that hinders the rankings system if #1 can’t challenge more than once. You have a built in story of a team climbing their way back up the rankings to challenge once more, so why not go that route and try? Also, it’s never been an out and out rule that challengers only get one shot at a champion. Going further, it would be silly of them to do so, since you quickly limit credible challenges and end up with, say, The Gunn Club or Varsity Blondes challenging when you, me, and the whole board knows they aren’t winning. I’m not against battle royals to give someone a springboard, but if they’re gonna continue to put out updated rankings every week, I don’t think it’s too much to hold them accountable and ask why the #1 Ranked Team, who I’m assuming got back there after their last shot, isn’t involved in a title match. My thought is, because they also just had a shot and lost, Khan wasn't going to just immediately give them a rematch, and wanted other teams to try and have an opportunity at the belts for Revolution, which they're getting I however, think if Express retain at Revolution, Acclaimed will likely get a second title match, unless they lose, or some other team starts making a run to leap them, like PNP, who could again, beat them and leap them making one AND two possible.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 3, 2022 20:30:42 GMT -5
The rankings system is an Irish Whip for me. By which I mean it's a contrivance that seems to collapse under even the most generous standards of logic and realism, but it still serves a purpose when you set the obvious "but why wouldn't ..." question aside. Done well, rankings put little extra shine on various wrestlers without cluttering up the company with an excess of belts. It'll never hold up to scrutiny as to why sometimes the #1 ranked person gets the PPV title shot and sometimes not, but it's an easy thing for wrestlers and/or commentators to call attention to, and you can conveniently press the reset button every year. They can be the launching point for an angle, or just a background detail to keep some low-key hype on someone who's going to be moved up to a bigger program in the future. The trick is finding the right ratio of realism to utter nonsense, which I guess is the art of pro wrestling in general. Ideally they need to land somewhere in the middle between "this is a strict, reliable, boringly predictable system" and "this is a blatant storytelling device, and only means something when we want it to". Right: pro wrestling companies that try to do super strict rules tend to relax them over time since, ultimately, they can end up feeling like a booking obstacle rather than a help. Granted, I think sometimes a strict set of rules can be a booking aid, but that's typically more the case for smaller, more niche promotions, and it does take a good deal of focus and effort to make sure they're used that way. In this case, AEW has their top five rankings, but I think they've been smart not to over rely on them; you still want to allow for surprise challenges, for a champion calling out an unranked challenger (or visa versa), and simply for general flexibility in the booking available to you, but you also still want the rankings there to serve as a storytelling tool or motivation for certain things to happen on the shows (e.g. a match where an unranked team challenges a ranked one and wins or whatever). Still, if someone's in the top five they're open to getting a title match at any time, sort of UFC style, so it can still serve that purpose, too. I actually remember early ROH going for a Top 5 ranking system or something like that, which they quickly changed to a "contender's tier" or something (totally forget the proper name they used for it) of 4-6 names at a time of wrestlers who had built themselves up into title contention. AEW's mostly seems to work the same. There are some times you'll scratch your head, but most of the time it works alright.
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 3, 2022 20:50:12 GMT -5
How is Wardlow not the #1 contender for the AEW title?
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Post by Dub H on Mar 3, 2022 20:51:19 GMT -5
How is Wardlow not the #1 contender for the AEW title? I feel like there is two easy answers. He has mostly beaten just jobbers. And he is not an official AEW wrestlers in Kayfabe
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 3, 2022 21:24:50 GMT -5
How is Wardlow not the #1 contender for the AEW title? Because his storyline right now is MJF/Spears holding him back and controlling him.
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 3, 2022 22:29:48 GMT -5
How is Wardlow not the #1 contender for the AEW title? I feel like there is two easy answers. He has mostly beaten just jobbers. And he is not an official AEW wrestlers in Kayfabe Lower card or not same should be said for Adam Cole.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 3, 2022 22:43:28 GMT -5
I feel like there is two easy answers. He has mostly beaten just jobbers. And he is not an official AEW wrestlers in Kayfabe Lower card or not same should be said for Adam Cole. I mean if you want to get down to semantics, Wardlow also lost a match to CM Punk recently, Cole has no official losses on his record, so it's pretty cut and dry there, and he's beaten quite a few decent wrestlers with no losses in between.
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Post by deezy on Mar 4, 2022 2:10:22 GMT -5
How is Wardlow not the #1 contender for the AEW title? I feel like there is two easy answers. He has mostly beaten just jobbers. And he is not an official AEW wrestlers in Kayfabe This part of the storyline has always bugged me. Wardlow works for MJF and isn't considered AEW Wrestler. Yet he has had alot of matches. I don't see why is allowed to have matches without being a AEW talent.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 4, 2022 6:03:45 GMT -5
I feel like there is two easy answers. He has mostly beaten just jobbers. And he is not an official AEW wrestlers in Kayfabe Lower card or not same should be said for Adam Cole. Cole's beaten a bunch of AEW names *and* has worked a Dark taping. He even listed off all the guys he's beaten in singles matches so far during one of his promos.
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Post by mrtuesday on Mar 4, 2022 6:24:56 GMT -5
I feel like there is two easy answers. He has mostly beaten just jobbers. And he is not an official AEW wrestlers in Kayfabe This part of the storyline has always bugged me. Wardlow works for MJF and isn't considered AEW Wrestler. Yet he has had alot of matches. I don't see why is allowed to have matches without being a AEW talent. There have been many independent wrestlers that have had matches on AEW TV without being contracted talent. This is where Wardlow stands. Many of those have been signed if they have a good showing. In kayfabe, Wardlow was likely offered a full AEW contract. But that deal would have yo go through MJF, since Wardlow works for him. Whenever Wardlow breaks away from MJF, he'll likely get "signed" by AEW and be in the rankings proper.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 4, 2022 7:54:59 GMT -5
Lower card or not same should be said for Adam Cole. Cole's beaten a bunch of AEW names *and* has worked a Dark taping. He even listed off all the guys he's beaten in singles matches so far during one of his promos. The list of Cole’s name opponents he’s beaten in singles matches is still pretty weak- 10, Evil Uno, Wheeler Yuta, Trent, Silver, Kazarian, Jungle Boy and then he went 50/50 with OC.
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