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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 27, 2022 13:41:18 GMT -5
We’re SEVEN YEARS into Charlotte’s main roster run and they’re STILL cramming her down everyone’s throats and undercutting the rest of the division to make her look good. They want people to forget how embarrassingly Ronda’s MMA career ended and pretend like she’s still in her prime. And then bafflingly a lot of this feud has been about, talking. Even thought Ronda is not a good promo, and Charlotte phones it in a lot of the time. Why so much talking? It’s very telling that the women in the tag title match have been able to make their stuff feel more exciting despite having much less to work with. On that front... the most Ive seen on this on social media is people laughing at how bad Ronda's mania matchup video is with her half assed strikes. |
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 27, 2022 13:48:50 GMT -5
Stop having Ronda do that. Even in her prime people noted that her striking was not good.
She’s getting cheered now (also the audience was pretty quiet for her segment last week). But if they put her against someone who isn’t Charlotte, oh boy that could go badly.
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Post by mistery on Mar 27, 2022 14:03:52 GMT -5
Stop having Ronda do that. Even in her prime people noted that her striking was not good. She’s getting cheered now (also the audience was pretty quiet for her segment last week). But if they put her against someone who isn’t Charlotte, oh boy that could go badly. Yeah. This is something WWE is overlooking or praying won't happen. Because when she goes up against a Naomi, Sasha, Bayley, Asuka, Alexa, or maybe even some NXT callups, Ronda is definitely going to get booed. And we all know how she reacts to that. She gets really pissy (for lack of a better term), and becomes incredibly unprofessional in interviews and sloppy in the ring when the audience doesn't support her. And that just causes things to get worse. It doesn't help that WWE is 100% setting Ronda up for these bad reactions again because she hates losing even in a kayfabe/fake match, but we all know when/if she beats Charlotte at Wrestlemania, she's not losing any singles matches or that title at all until Wrestlemania 2023, so they can give Becky the win over her. So the Smackdown Women's Division is going to be the absolute worst place to be in WWE for the women if that ends up being true. Because anyone outside of the title scene doesn't matter, and being in the title scene won't be beneficial either, since you'll just be fed to Ronda to satiate her ego because WWE doesn't want her storming off again before they can do Becky/Ronda next year. Which again, feeds into an earlier point in that Ronda is going to get booed if she is booked like an unstoppable badass, because that aura was gone long ago, on top of her being a completely trash person outside of the ring and being unapologetic about it. I'm just going to say it: Ronda/Charlotte is a bad matchup for sure. It's a mostly cold feud where neither woman is likable. However, Ronda herself is probably the biggest detriment to women's wrestling in WWE just from creative and attitude standpoint alone. While Charlotte just completely destroys everyone's momentum that she works with in an attempt to get her over. Hell, it's been almost a year and Rhea still hasn't recovered from their feud. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 27, 2022 14:52:14 GMT -5
Stop having Ronda do that. Even in her prime people noted that her striking was not good. She’s getting cheered now (also the audience was pretty quiet for her segment last week). But if they put her against someone who isn’t Charlotte, oh boy that could go badly. Yeah. This is something WWE is overlooking or praying won't happen. Because when she goes up against a Naomi, Sasha, Bayley, Asuka, Alexa, or maybe even some NXT callups, Ronda is definitely going to get booed. And we all know how she reacts to that. She gets really pissy (for lack of a better term), and becomes incredibly unprofessional in interviews and sloppy in the ring when the audience doesn't support her. And that just causes things to get worse. It doesn't help that WWE is 100% setting Ronda up for these bad reactions again because she hates losing even in a kayfabe/fake match, but we all know when/if she beats Charlotte at Wrestlemania, she's not losing any singles matches or that title at all until Wrestlemania 2023, so they can give Becky the win over her. So the Smackdown Women's Division is going to be the absolute worst place to be in WWE for the women if that ends up being true. Because anyone outside of the title scene doesn't matter, and being in the title scene won't be beneficial either, since you'll just be fed to Ronda to satiate her ego because WWE doesn't want her storming off again before they can do Becky/Ronda next year. Which again, feeds into an earlier point in that Ronda is going to get booed if she is booked like an unstoppable badass, because that aura was gone long ago, on top of her being a completely trash person outside of the ring and being unapologetic about it. I'm just going to say it: Ronda/Charlotte is a bad matchup for sure. It's a mostly cold feud where neither woman is likable. However, Ronda herself is probably the biggest detriment to women's wrestling in WWE just from creative and attitude standpoint alone. While Charlotte just completely destroys everyone's momentum that she works with in an attempt to get her over. Hell, it's been almost a year and Rhea still hasn't recovered from their feud. It's either that or they have her and Charlotte hot potato the belt back and forth with them assuring Ronda she'll end up with it in the end. That way they can pad Charlotte's stats and we know there's also no way they are ever going have out of the title picture. Also it will get around the fact that they have so little credible challengers for Ronda on Smackdown. There's Sasha who she already beat during her last run and Shayna which is a fresh matchup and a very natural one on top of it. But after those two there's really no one. Sonya could've been a good option but they already had Ronda destroy her in the build up to the Charlotte match. I guess they could do Naomi as a filler one month feud. Even though she has no business being in a title program at this point I could see Natalya getting a feud just because her and Ronda are friends. Unfortunately I see her and Shayna winning the titles at Mania as another way to keep Ronda happy since they are her two pals. However that would also take her and more importantly Shayna out of the equation as a possible challenger. Then what is there? Are they going to Ronda vs. Aliyah? Either way both of the paths (Ronda dominating for a year straight or Ronda and Charlotte trading the belt back and forth) does make it look really dire for the next year |
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Post by mistery on Mar 27, 2022 16:37:37 GMT -5
Oh dear. This match is such a bad idea on so many levels.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 28, 2022 3:39:13 GMT -5
Oh dear. This match is such a bad idea on so many levels. Oh man. So it's either a lame DQ finish (most likely) or someone taking a pin when literally none of them can afford to be pinned right now. I guess if you had to pick someone to eat the pin I guess it would be Bianca as at least she has an out with her "injured" throat which the heels can target to win and it make her look more like an underdog when before she beats Becky at Mania. You can't have Becky lose as you have to save Bianca beating her at Mania and Ronda beating her would kill their Mania match for next year that they are planning. Ronda obviously isn't getting pinned and Charlotte losing would take a ton of luster off her match with Ronda which is apparently main event Mania night one. Also why do they team Becky and Charlotte up so much? Like for two people who are apparently mortal enemies it seems like they are constantly thrown together as partners in these random tag matches (here, against Bianca and Sasha in the fall, against Bayley and Sasha in fall 2019, against Kabuki Warriors winter 2019). |
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Post by eJm on Mar 28, 2022 3:53:46 GMT -5
I don't think it's exactly doing the feud any favors that there's no real effort being made on establishing why Ronda would target Charlotte and not Becky. If Becky had won by pinning Charlotte, it would have at least been a "you cost me the championship!" gripe, but no, she's just... going for Charlotte because reasons. Yeah, like, Becky was the one to basically "drive her" from WWE after pinning her so unless Charlotte attacked her at some point after the Rumble to basically set up this match (which she did not), it doesn't really make sense why she would. It also lead to them teasing Sasha being involved with this somehow and...she wasn't for some reason. Just on a thrown together tag team for belts that nobody could possibly care for at this point. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 28, 2022 4:11:53 GMT -5
I don't think it's exactly doing the feud any favors that there's no real effort being made on establishing why Ronda would target Charlotte and not Becky. If Becky had won by pinning Charlotte, it would have at least been a "you cost me the championship!" gripe, but no, she's just... going for Charlotte because reasons. Yeah, like, Becky was the one to basically "drive her" from WWE after pinning her so unless Charlotte attacked her at some point after the Rumble to basically set up this match (which she did not), it doesn't really make sense why she would. It also lead to them teasing Sasha being involved with this somehow and...she wasn't for some reason. Just on a thrown together tag team for belts that nobody could possibly care for at this point. In a vacuum, I don't hate Sasha and Naomi teaming, and I can't pretend I was terribly interested in Sasha vs Charlotte part 4057, but just dropping the thread isn't good, either, obviously. |
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Post by eJm on Mar 28, 2022 4:21:14 GMT -5
Yeah, like, Becky was the one to basically "drive her" from WWE after pinning her so unless Charlotte attacked her at some point after the Rumble to basically set up this match (which she did not), it doesn't really make sense why she would. It also lead to them teasing Sasha being involved with this somehow and...she wasn't for some reason. Just on a thrown together tag team for belts that nobody could possibly care for at this point. In a vacuum, I don't hate Sasha and Naomi teaming, and I can't pretend I was terribly interested in Sasha vs Charlotte part 4057, but just dropping the thread isn't good, either, obviously. Oh no, the implications don't lead to a great payoff but you could at least have had Ronda/Sasha on a PPV or a show, winner gets Charlotte? Didn't seem like she was going to be at Elimination Chamber so, like, build a Smackdown around it or something. Like, from what I know of the Boss character, it was weird for her to just have that said, then dropped and not care about it? |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 28, 2022 4:37:39 GMT -5
In a vacuum, I don't hate Sasha and Naomi teaming, and I can't pretend I was terribly interested in Sasha vs Charlotte part 4057, but just dropping the thread isn't good, either, obviously. Oh no, the implications don't lead to a great payoff but you could at least have had Ronda/Sasha on a PPV or a show, winner gets Charlotte? Didn't seem like she was going to be at Elimination Chamber so, like, build a Smackdown around it or something. Like, from what I know of the Boss character, it was weird for her to just have that said, then dropped and not care about it? Maybe they'll want to have Ronda face her later and they're very clumsily saving it. I am doubtful WWE brings it up, but Bayley and Sasha did beat Ronda and Natalya in a tag match before, so if they did want to play that as something Ronda is still irritated about, one of her very few losses coming to her, that's possible. I do not expect it, though. |
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Post by schma on Mar 28, 2022 5:26:44 GMT -5
In the case of the feud with Lacey, if I remember correctly, she did he walk down the aisle and then sucker punched Becky. Then somehow they fended for 5 months. There were points where Becky insulated that Lacey was sleeping with the boss for opportunities and Lacey straight up agreed. I'm not sure that Lacey won a si gle match in that feud.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 28, 2022 5:56:28 GMT -5
We’re SEVEN YEARS into Charlotte’s main roster run and they’re STILL cramming her down everyone’s throats and undercutting the rest of the division to make her look good. 7 years in and she has about 15-20 years worth of accomplishments/accolades |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 28, 2022 6:24:07 GMT -5
Yeah, like, Becky was the one to basically "drive her" from WWE after pinning her so unless Charlotte attacked her at some point after the Rumble to basically set up this match (which she did not), it doesn't really make sense why she would. It also lead to them teasing Sasha being involved with this somehow and...she wasn't for some reason. Just on a thrown together tag team for belts that nobody could possibly care for at this point. In a vacuum, I don't hate Sasha and Naomi teaming, and I can't pretend I was terribly interested in Sasha vs Charlotte part 4057, but just dropping the thread isn't good, either, obviously. I'm fine with it. Even though I don't get why Ronda and Charlotte is happening and think it makes no sense why Ronda is ignoring Becky who you know was actually the one who beat her, I'll take it over Charlotte and Sasha again which has been done to death and imo isn't really a big deal anymore especially on a Wrestlemania card. I'm fine with the Sasha/Naomi team and think it's a good use of both of them at the moment. The tag division really can useful in that way in that it give some of these women who have been on television for years and always pushed like Sasha something fresh and different to do. They should try doing it with Becky and Charlotte either of them teaming with preferably an up and comer who could use the rub to give them a boost. Charlotte in particular could really use an angle like that as her in the singles title picture is getting beyond old. Like it's been seven years straight now. Just freakin move on already. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 28, 2022 7:40:36 GMT -5
I still maintain that none of the issues with the women's division can't even begin to be solved unless they add a metric f***ton of depth to it. At least 15-20 more women on each show, to create more singles contenders, to create more tag teams and ESPECIALLY to create more match combinations for weekly TV. That or outside enhancement talents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 7:47:56 GMT -5
Oh dear. This match is such a bad idea on so many levels. This match is so stupid to be doing. Bianca returns to no fanfare after being "injured" just oh here she is just fine and wrestling tonight. So much for keeping Becky and Ronnie away from one another. Becky and Charlotte on the same team so CAN THEY CO-EXSIST! returns to much dread. And this has to end in no other way but a no contest because no one in this match is gonna be taking a loss nore should they days away from Mania. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 28, 2022 8:16:15 GMT -5
OK, so being the big f***ing stats nerd I am, I just did a bit of combination calculating for RAW. Might do it for SmackDown as well in a sec.
There are 11 women officially on the RAW roster, making for a possible 55 singles match combinations. Of those:
*25 have been done within the last two and a quarter years (since the start of 2020)
*10 have been done in the timeframe prior to that
Which leaves 20 singles match combinations that have NEVER been done before on WWE TV with the current RAW women's division. See how many of these appeal to you:
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 28, 2022 9:10:43 GMT -5
OK, so being the big f***ing stats nerd I am, I just did a bit of combination calculating for RAW. Might do it for SmackDown as well in a sec. There are 11 women officially on the RAW roster, making for a possible 55 singles match combinations. Of those: *25 have been done within the last two and a quarter years (since the start of 2020) *10 have been done in the timeframe prior to that Which leaves 20 singles match combinations that have NEVER been done before on WWE TV with the current RAW women's division. See how many of these appeal to you:
While they've run it on house shows the last two weeks and it happened once in NXT, Becky/Rhea is another unused combination on WWE TV.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 28, 2022 9:10:59 GMT -5
That tag match is not scheduled for tonight, apparently.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 28, 2022 9:12:57 GMT -5
OK, so being the big f***ing stats nerd I am, I just did a bit of combination calculating for RAW. Might do it for SmackDown as well in a sec. There are 11 women officially on the RAW roster, making for a possible 55 singles match combinations. Of those: *25 have been done within the last two and a quarter years (since the start of 2020) *10 have been done in the timeframe prior to that Which leaves 20 singles match combinations that have NEVER been done before on WWE TV with the current RAW women's division. See how many of these appeal to you: While they've run it on house shows the last two weeks and it happened once in NXT, Becky/Rhea is another unused combination on WWE TV.
They fought each other on an episode of NXT once, but that was within that pre-2020 timeframe. |
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Post by sunnytaker on Mar 28, 2022 9:26:37 GMT -5
Ronda vs. Charlotte was the original plan for that Mania match and Becky was the one who get shoehorned in to it. I get but when the season really started, the feud being built was definitely Becky vs Ronda. Charlotte was inserted in the middle for reasons it definitely was a Becky vs Ronda feud where they decided to shoehorn Charlotte for the WM Main Event Clout the most common version i have heard is 1) ronda beats becky at SS- nothing long term planned. then ronda goes on to face charlotte at mania. 2) becky gets Nia'd so they have to do charlotte/rousey at SS and rousey wins which meant they couldn't do a repeat for mania with becky still at peak popularity. 3) becky finally gets her shot at ronda for mania after becky returns. 4) ronda is getting destroyed on social media and in promos by becky. wwe decides this isn't a good look as they wanted ronda to remain face but fans picking becky over ronda 5) as charlotte had nothing to do at that point wwe decides to put her into the match to keep ronda happy and make her the tweener between face becky and heel charlotte- also for charlotte to help balancing things on the promo side by giving rousey less of the load to handle as this was her weakest part. 6) fans who wanted to see becky/ronda get upset because charlotte already had her shot against rousey and felt it should be 1v1 7) finish gets botched so all the fans leave unsatisfied outside of seeing ronda finally take her first L. |
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