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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 28, 2022 9:29:43 GMT -5
I get but when the season really started, the feud being built was definitely Becky vs Ronda. Charlotte was inserted in the middle for reasons it definitely was a Becky vs Ronda feud where they decided to shoehorn Charlotte for the WM Main Event Clout the most common version i have heard is 1) ronda beats becky at SS- nothing long term planned. then ronda goes on to face charlotte at mania. 2) becky gets Nia'd so they have to do charlotte/rousey at SS and rousey wins which meant they couldn't do a repeat for mania with becky still at peak popularity. 3) becky finally gets her shot at ronda for mania after becky returns. 4) ronda is getting destroyed on social media and in promos by becky. wwe decides this isn't a good look as they wanted ronda to remain face but fans picking becky over ronda 5) as charlotte had nothing to do at that point wwe decides to put her into the match to keep ronda happy and make her the tweener between face becky and heel charlotte- also for charlotte to help balancing things on the promo side by giving rousey less of the load to handle as this was her weakest part. 6) fans who wanted to see becky/ronda get upset because charlotte already had her shot against rousey and felt it should be 1v1 7) finish gets botched so all the fans leave unsatisfied outside of seeing ronda finally take her first L.
It's worth remembering that Survivor Series had a DQ ending and Ronda getting brutally beaten after the match. Plus they pointedly had Ronda interfere against both Charlotte and Becky at TLC, but people were so caught up in the idea of Ronda/Becky that they ignored the signposting (in my opinion it was obviously going to be a triple threat for Mania after they confirmed Ronda/Sasha for the Rumble), and then WWE deliberately played into that sentiment.
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Post by eJm on Mar 28, 2022 9:36:59 GMT -5
I get but when the season really started, the feud being built was definitely Becky vs Ronda. Charlotte was inserted in the middle for reasons it definitely was a Becky vs Ronda feud where they decided to shoehorn Charlotte for the WM Main Event Clout the most common version i have heard is 1) ronda beats becky at SS- nothing long term planned. then ronda goes on to face charlotte at mania. 2) becky gets Nia'd so they have to do charlotte/rousey at SS and rousey wins which meant they couldn't do a repeat for mania with becky still at peak popularity. 3) becky finally gets her shot at ronda for mania after becky returns. 4) ronda is getting destroyed on social media and in promos by becky. wwe decides this isn't a good look as they wanted ronda to remain face but fans picking becky over ronda 5) as charlotte had nothing to do at that point wwe decides to put her into the match to keep ronda happy and make her the tweener between face becky and heel charlotte- also for charlotte to help balancing things on the promo side by giving rousey less of the load to handle as this was her weakest part. 6) fans who wanted to see becky/ronda get upset because charlotte already had her shot against rousey and felt it should be 1v1 7) finish gets botched so all the fans leave unsatisfied outside of seeing ronda finally take her first L. Also, Becky got taken out of the match by HHH and Stephanie even though she apologized (which, you know, great look for a top babyface in the shadows of Stone Cold and The Rock etc) then Vince himself to decide Charlotte is in for no reason, with no explaination, when Charlotte was the one to lose the Rumble match so then Becky has to win a match to enter the triple threat which Ronda runs in on anyway, hits Becky and she wins by DQ and Becky just...accepts that, I guess. It made Daniel Bryan's path to the main event of WrestleMania look like a straightforward line in comparison.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 28, 2022 9:50:28 GMT -5
I get but when the season really started, the feud being built was definitely Becky vs Ronda. Charlotte was inserted in the middle for reasons it definitely was a Becky vs Ronda feud where they decided to shoehorn Charlotte for the WM Main Event Clout the most common version i have heard is 1) ronda beats becky at SS- nothing long term planned. then ronda goes on to face charlotte at mania. 2) becky gets Nia'd so they have to do charlotte/rousey at SS and rousey wins which meant they couldn't do a repeat for mania with becky still at peak popularity. 3) becky finally gets her shot at ronda for mania after becky returns. 4) ronda is getting destroyed on social media and in promos by becky. wwe decides this isn't a good look as they wanted ronda to remain face but fans picking becky over ronda 5) as charlotte had nothing to do at that point wwe decides to put her into the match to keep ronda happy and make her the tweener between face becky and heel charlotte- also for charlotte to help balancing things on the promo side by giving rousey less of the load to handle as this was her weakest part. 6) fans who wanted to see becky/ronda get upset because charlotte already had her shot against rousey and felt it should be 1v1 7) finish gets botched so all the fans leave unsatisfied outside of seeing ronda finally take her first L. The backlash wouldn't have been quite as bad if they simply announced the triple threat to begin with. They teased fans so much with Becky v Ronda 1 on 1 though and people always say Vince doesn't like teasing matches if they're not going to deliver it. In fact they went further than teasing, they straight up announced the match and showed the match graphic. Ronda was the champ, Becky won the Rumble, it seemed like a done deal and it was the match 90% of people wanted (WWE literally ran a poll on their website after they started all the screwiness asking fans if they wanted Becky v Ronda, Charlotte v Ronda or a triple threat and it was a landslide). That's how hot crowds were for Ronda v Becky after the Rumble. How do you hear that and think you know what, we need to add Charlotte Flair (or anyone else) to this?
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 28, 2022 18:17:03 GMT -5
the most common version i have heard is 1) ronda beats becky at SS- nothing long term planned. then ronda goes on to face charlotte at mania. 2) becky gets Nia'd so they have to do charlotte/rousey at SS and rousey wins which meant they couldn't do a repeat for mania with becky still at peak popularity. 3) becky finally gets her shot at ronda for mania after becky returns. 4) ronda is getting destroyed on social media and in promos by becky. wwe decides this isn't a good look as they wanted ronda to remain face but fans picking becky over ronda 5) as charlotte had nothing to do at that point wwe decides to put her into the match to keep ronda happy and make her the tweener between face becky and heel charlotte- also for charlotte to help balancing things on the promo side by giving rousey less of the load to handle as this was her weakest part. 6) fans who wanted to see becky/ronda get upset because charlotte already had her shot against rousey and felt it should be 1v1 7) finish gets botched so all the fans leave unsatisfied outside of seeing ronda finally take her first L. Also, Becky got taken out of the match by HHH and Stephanie even though she apologized (which, you know, great look for a top babyface in the shadows of Stone Cold and The Rock etc) then Vince himself to decide Charlotte is in for no reason, with no explaination, when Charlotte was the one to lose the Rumble match so then Becky has to win a match to enter the triple threat which Ronda runs in on anyway, hits Becky and she wins by DQ and Becky just...accepts that, I guess. It made Daniel Bryan's path to the main event of WrestleMania look like a straightforward line in comparison.
The 'apology' was presented as begrudging and solely for the match with Ronda, though. They also built it up heavily with 3 or 4 backstage segments on that night's Raw. Some of it was probably intended to increase the moment of troll booking with Vince showing up immediately afterwards, which as noted then got undercut by Vince not featuring in the feud whatsoever after that moment.
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Post by schma on Mar 28, 2022 20:57:15 GMT -5
Charlotte beating Asuka for the title randomly a couple weeks before Wrestlmania on Smackdown didn't help with those already sore that she was in the match either.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2022 21:35:01 GMT -5
Right, Becky stoked the flames, but the embers were there. I maintain that the triple threat had a number of points in its favor, especially after Ronda broke when fans turned on her and it started impacting her performance, but WWE definitely played into the narrative that Charlotte was the golden child and that's why she was being inserted. which was kinda fine as it did help fuel face Becky... the big problem was then she kept relying on that narrative against people like Bayley... who most certainly did not have the backing of the WWE at the time. Or Lacey Evans who was a complete rookie who from what I remember legitimately won the match she was given for a title match. it didn't help that it felt like after Becky won Vince and "The company" just shrugged their shoulders and left... and Becky was still looking for an axe to grind. Hell Lacey wasn't even a terrible idea to be one of her post mania feuds... The Man vs. the Southern Lady makes all kinda sense... what they should have done was make it obvious that she was getting obvious unfair advantages in her matches... so that Becky's complaints that the company was still against her seemed valid. As it was though, it was like when Austin won the title at WM 14 Vince shrugged his shoulders and went home and just let Austin be his champion. Yeah, the grievances got really stupid and didn't make any sense It is basically equivalent to Ronda taking shit her opponents said and turning it into fuel and when she got to Holly Holm who said nothing disparaging about her or her family, she tried create a narrative herself and it fell real flat making her look like an ass and then she lost
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 28, 2022 21:37:06 GMT -5
Watching Becky and Bianca tonight. They are selling their feud SO MUCH better.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 28, 2022 21:41:39 GMT -5
It's not helping matters at all, that this looks like it's going to be WrestleMania Night 1's Main Event... on a very weak looking Night 1 card...
Ronda's almost being set up to fail here, and so is Charlotte... I hope for Ronda's sake she comes out with a better workrate than we saw at the Rumble or this could be a total disaster
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