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Post by agent817 on Mar 27, 2022 0:10:39 GMT -5
Why am I getting some late-2010s vibes here? Is it because Ronda was around during 2018 to 2019? Maybe it's because I haven't been watching Raw and Smackdown as much, but has there been any reference to Survivor Series 2018 or how the two were only 2/3 of the participants of Wrestlemania 35's main event.
Then my friend had told me that next year, it's rumored that WWE wants to do Becky vs. Ronda at Wrestlemania, WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO! But no, Charlotte just had to be shoehorned into that match.
I know that rematches are far from a novel concept, but the way how this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if their match at Mania will be sold as "for the first time ever," when they had a match at Survivor Series 2018. Then again, these vibes that I am getting could be that I just wasn't enthusiastic of Ronda Rousey making her return.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 27, 2022 0:14:02 GMT -5
Why am I getting some late-2010s vibes here? Is it because Ronda was around during 2018 to 2019? Maybe it's because I haven't been watching Raw and Smackdown as much, but has there been any reference to Survivor Series 2018 or how the two were only 2/3 of the participants of Wrestlemania 35's main event. Then my friend had told me that next year, it's rumored that WWE wants to do Becky vs. Ronda at Wrestlemania, WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO! But no, Charlotte just had to be shoehorned into that match. I know that rematches are far from a novel concept, but the way how this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if their match at Mania will be sold as "for the first time ever," when they had a match at Survivor Series 2018. Then again, these vibes that I am getting could be that I just wasn't enthusiastic of Ronda Rousey making her return. It's on the WWE for not making new stars, cutting off the people that did get over or even firing them... It's the same at the top of the Card. Brock vs. Roman was the main event of mania 7 years ago. can you imagine Andre vs. Hogan at Wrestlemania 10? Cause that is exactly what's going on here...
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 27, 2022 0:21:57 GMT -5
Why am I getting some late-2010s vibes here? Is it because Ronda was around during 2018 to 2019? Maybe it's because I haven't been watching Raw and Smackdown as much, but has there been any reference to Survivor Series 2018 or how the two were only 2/3 of the participants of Wrestlemania 35's main event. Then my friend had told me that next year, it's rumored that WWE wants to do Becky vs. Ronda at Wrestlemania, WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO! But no, Charlotte just had to be shoehorned into that match. I know that rematches are far from a novel concept, but the way how this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if their match at Mania will be sold as "for the first time ever," when they had a match at Survivor Series 2018. Then again, these vibes that I am getting could be that I just wasn't enthusiastic of Ronda Rousey making her return.
The funny thing about 'shoehorn Charlotte' is that you see that still commonly used but people do it unconsciously without realising it has its origins in Becky promoting that phrase in a social media campaign. Then WWE decided to book the triple-threat in a troll-booking way which made it look like she was correct, even though there were probably better ways they could have built to that match.
Though I will say that it's disappointing how low-intensity the current build has been even if thankfully the live crowds are enjoying it. The physical segments have been fine, but Ronda's been very tentative on the mic, Charlotte's put little effort in on the social-media end of things, and while hopefully the match will be good enough to let all that be forgotten, it's still perceptible.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 27, 2022 2:24:34 GMT -5
I don't think it's exactly doing the feud any favors that there's no real effort being made on establishing why Ronda would target Charlotte and not Becky. If Becky had won by pinning Charlotte, it would have at least been a "you cost me the championship!" gripe, but no, she's just... going for Charlotte because reasons.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 27, 2022 2:40:26 GMT -5
Why am I getting some late-2010s vibes here? Is it because Ronda was around during 2018 to 2019? Maybe it's because I haven't been watching Raw and Smackdown as much, but has there been any reference to Survivor Series 2018 or how the two were only 2/3 of the participants of Wrestlemania 35's main event. Then my friend had told me that next year, it's rumored that WWE wants to do Becky vs. Ronda at Wrestlemania, WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO! But no, Charlotte just had to be shoehorned into that match. I know that rematches are far from a novel concept, but the way how this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if their match at Mania will be sold as "for the first time ever," when they had a match at Survivor Series 2018. Then again, these vibes that I am getting could be that I just wasn't enthusiastic of Ronda Rousey making her return. The funny thing about 'shoehorn Charlotte' is that you see that still commonly used but people do it unconsciously without realising it has its origins in Becky promoting that phrase in a social media campaign. Then WWE decided to book the triple-threat in a troll-booking way which made it look like she was correct, even though there were probably better ways they could have built to that match. [/div][/quote] People were saying stuff that about Charlotte before that, I mean that's literally why Becky did it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 27, 2022 2:58:43 GMT -5
Right, Becky stoked the flames, but the embers were there.
I maintain that the triple threat had a number of points in its favor, especially after Ronda broke when fans turned on her and it started impacting her performance, but WWE definitely played into the narrative that Charlotte was the golden child and that's why she was being inserted.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 27, 2022 3:11:22 GMT -5
Right, Becky stoked the flames, but the embers were there. I maintain that the triple threat had a number of points in its favor, especially after Ronda broke when fans turned on her and it started impacting her performance, but WWE definitely played into the narrative that Charlotte was the golden child and that's why she was being inserted. which was kinda fine as it did help fuel face Becky... the big problem was then she kept relying on that narrative against people like Bayley... who most certainly did not have the backing of the WWE at the time. Or Lacey Evans who was a complete rookie who from what I remember legitimately won the match she was given for a title match. it didn't help that it felt like after Becky won Vince and "The company" just shrugged their shoulders and left... and Becky was still looking for an axe to grind. Hell Lacey wasn't even a terrible idea to be one of her post mania feuds... The Man vs. the Southern Lady makes all kinda sense... what they should have done was make it obvious that she was getting obvious unfair advantages in her matches... so that Becky's complaints that the company was still against her seemed valid. As it was though, it was like when Austin won the title at WM 14 Vince shrugged his shoulders and went home and just let Austin be his champion.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 27, 2022 4:30:41 GMT -5
Right, Becky stoked the flames, but the embers were there. I maintain that the triple threat had a number of points in its favor, especially after Ronda broke when fans turned on her and it started impacting her performance, but WWE definitely played into the narrative that Charlotte was the golden child and that's why she was being inserted. which was kinda fine as it did help fuel face Becky... the big problem was then she kept relying on that narrative against people like Bayley... who most certainly did not have the backing of the WWE at the time. Or Lacey Evans who was a complete rookie who from what I remember legitimately won the match she was given for a title match. it didn't help that it felt like after Becky won Vince and "The company" just shrugged their shoulders and left... and Becky was still looking for an axe to grind. Hell Lacey wasn't even a terrible idea to be one of her post mania feuds... The Man vs. the Southern Lady makes all kinda sense... what they should have done was make it obvious that she was getting obvious unfair advantages in her matches... so that Becky's complaints that the company was still against her seemed valid. As it was though, it was like when Austin won the title at WM 14 Vince shrugged his shoulders and went home and just let Austin be his champion. Becky and Bayley never feuded. Bayley did turn heel on Becky but it didn't really lead to anything as far as a program as Lynch was mainly feuding with Sasha during that time. Unless I'm forgetting something Lacey didn't win any match to get a title shot. She just did the troll entrances where she would just walk out and then leave and then I think she interrupted a Becky promo and was just declared #1 Contender. Becky and Lacey is a decent idea for a feud....just not at that time. Lacey wasn't ready for it and on top of it they didn't do anything to build her up. They should've built her up first and then maybe do a feud towards the end of the year.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 27, 2022 5:06:11 GMT -5
Right, Becky stoked the flames, but the embers were there. I maintain that the triple threat had a number of points in its favor, especially after Ronda broke when fans turned on her and it started impacting her performance, but WWE definitely played into the narrative that Charlotte was the golden child and that's why she was being inserted. which was kinda fine as it did help fuel face Becky... the big problem was then she kept relying on that narrative against people like Bayley... who most certainly did not have the backing of the WWE at the time. Or Lacey Evans who was a complete rookie who from what I remember legitimately won the match she was given for a title match. it didn't help that it felt like after Becky won Vince and "The company" just shrugged their shoulders and left... and Becky was still looking for an axe to grind. Hell Lacey wasn't even a terrible idea to be one of her post mania feuds... The Man vs. the Southern Lady makes all kinda sense... what they should have done was make it obvious that she was getting obvious unfair advantages in her matches... so that Becky's complaints that the company was still against her seemed valid. As it was though, it was like when Austin won the title at WM 14 Vince shrugged his shoulders and went home and just let Austin be his champion.
In hindsight that's one of the problems with the WM 35 build. They had the meta of Vince's 'we need Charlotte Flair' right as Becky/Ronda was seemingly announced, but then Vince and the McMahons barely figured in the rest of the feud besides Stephanie announcing a triple-threat. They also tried presenting Becky as both an underdog babyface and an unstoppable badass, and it didn't really work. Fans who wanted her to kick butt got to see her awkwardly using fake crutches and getting 'arrested', while there was no suspense whatsoever as to whether she would win because Charlotte and Ronda were never presented as a serious threat to her. (And this went even to things like the beat-the-clock challenge they did with the Riotts, where Ronda won in just over a minute, and Charlotte attacked Becky before her match, but Becky still won clean several seconds quicker than Ronda. Or that Smackdown segment before Fastlane where she clowned Charlotte despite being on crutches.)
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Post by mistery on Mar 27, 2022 8:03:43 GMT -5
I mean neither woman is even a remotely likable person in real life just going by their interviews. You have Ronda who is a Sandy Hook denier and has other insanely terrible views. And then you have Charlotte who actively goes out of her way to make other women look bad by refusing to sell and pretty much never puts anyone over. Doesn't help that she's completely stale at this point. She's also treated as the golden girl of WWE's entire women's division despite her being the least popular of the 4HW and probably a few other women as well. And it shows in her interviews when she comes across as entitled and spoiled. And not in a kayfabe way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2022 10:49:34 GMT -5
Why am I getting some late-2010s vibes here? Is it because Ronda was around during 2018 to 2019? Maybe it's because I haven't been watching Raw and Smackdown as much, but has there been any reference to Survivor Series 2018 or how the two were only 2/3 of the participants of Wrestlemania 35's main event. Then my friend had told me that next year, it's rumored that WWE wants to do Becky vs. Ronda at Wrestlemania, WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO! But no, Charlotte just had to be shoehorned into that match. I know that rematches are far from a novel concept, but the way how this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if their match at Mania will be sold as "for the first time ever," when they had a match at Survivor Series 2018. Then again, these vibes that I am getting could be that I just wasn't enthusiastic of Ronda Rousey making her return. It's on the WWE for not making new stars, cutting off the people that did get over or even firing them... It's the same at the top of the Card. Brock vs. Roman was the main event of mania 7 years ago. can you imagine Andre vs. Hogan at Wrestlemania 10? Cause that is exactly what's going on here... Hogan main eventing against a literal corpse? I could see it, honestly.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 27, 2022 11:27:46 GMT -5
I’m getting old. I thought the late 2010s was in the future till I realized we are in 2022 🤦♂️
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 27, 2022 11:43:06 GMT -5
Ronda vs. Charlotte was the original plan for that Mania match and Becky was the one who get shoehorned in to it.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 27, 2022 11:48:10 GMT -5
Ronda vs. Charlotte was the original plan for that Mania match and Becky was the one who get shoehorned in to it. Honestly, if Nia had never broken Becky's nose & concussed her with that punch, taking her out of that match with Ronda...Ronda would've beaten Becky at Survivor Series & then just moved on to her 1-on-1 match with Charlotte at Mania.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 27, 2022 12:44:47 GMT -5
which was kinda fine as it did help fuel face Becky... the big problem was then she kept relying on that narrative against people like Bayley... who most certainly did not have the backing of the WWE at the time. Or Lacey Evans who was a complete rookie who from what I remember legitimately won the match she was given for a title match. it didn't help that it felt like after Becky won Vince and "The company" just shrugged their shoulders and left... and Becky was still looking for an axe to grind. Hell Lacey wasn't even a terrible idea to be one of her post mania feuds... The Man vs. the Southern Lady makes all kinda sense... what they should have done was make it obvious that she was getting obvious unfair advantages in her matches... so that Becky's complaints that the company was still against her seemed valid. As it was though, it was like when Austin won the title at WM 14 Vince shrugged his shoulders and went home and just let Austin be his champion. Becky and Bayley never feuded. Bayley did turn heel on Becky but it didn't really lead to anything as far as a program as Lynch was mainly feuding with Sasha during that time. Unless I'm forgetting something Lacey didn't win any match to get a title shot. She just did the troll entrances where she would just walk out and then leave and then I think she interrupted a Becky promo and was just declared #1 Contender. Becky and Lacey is a decent idea for a feud....just not at that time. Lacey wasn't ready for it and on top of it they didn't do anything to build her up. They should've built her up first and then maybe do a feud towards the end of the year. Becky's fued with Lacey boiled down to the time Lacey came out with Seth's name written on her arse and that mixed tag where Baron Corbin hit Becky with the End of Days. That's about it.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 27, 2022 12:47:56 GMT -5
Ronda vs. Charlotte was the original plan for that Mania match and Becky was the one who get shoehorned in to it. I get but when the season really started, the feud being built was definitely Becky vs Ronda. Charlotte was inserted in the middle for reasons it definitely was a Becky vs Ronda feud where they decided to shoehorn Charlotte for the WM Main Event Clout
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Post by Dub H on Mar 27, 2022 12:51:51 GMT -5
Becky and Bayley never feuded. Bayley did turn heel on Becky but it didn't really lead to anything as far as a program as Lynch was mainly feuding with Sasha during that time. Unless I'm forgetting something Lacey didn't win any match to get a title shot. She just did the troll entrances where she would just walk out and then leave and then I think she interrupted a Becky promo and was just declared #1 Contender. Becky and Lacey is a decent idea for a feud....just not at that time. Lacey wasn't ready for it and on top of it they didn't do anything to build her up. They should've built her up first and then maybe do a feud towards the end of the year. Becky's fued with Lacey boiled down to the time Lacey came out with Seth's name written on her arse and that mixed tag where Baron Corbin hit Becky with the End of Days. That's about it. The highilight of the Lacey feud was Becky being a damsel in distress. I dont care how many people defend it, having the Bad-Ass Becky needing Seth to "avenge" her because she took a wrestling move from *gasp* A MAN was awful.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 27, 2022 12:52:32 GMT -5
Ronda vs. Charlotte was the original plan for that Mania match and Becky was the one who get shoehorned in to it. I get but when the season really started, the feud being built was definitely Becky vs Ronda. Charlotte was inserted in the middle for reasons it definitely was a Becky vs Ronda feud where they decided to shoehorn Charlotte for the WM Main Event Clout I'm talking solely about the rumours OP mentioned.
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Post by Bad Moon on Mar 27, 2022 13:21:45 GMT -5
Why am I getting some late-2010s vibes here? Is it because Ronda was around during 2018 to 2019? Maybe it's because I haven't been watching Raw and Smackdown as much, but has there been any reference to Survivor Series 2018 or how the two were only 2/3 of the participants of Wrestlemania 35's main event. Then my friend had told me that next year, it's rumored that WWE wants to do Becky vs. Ronda at Wrestlemania, WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO! But no, Charlotte just had to be shoehorned into that match. I know that rematches are far from a novel concept, but the way how this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if their match at Mania will be sold as "for the first time ever," when they had a match at Survivor Series 2018. Then again, these vibes that I am getting could be that I just wasn't enthusiastic of Ronda Rousey making her return. It's on the WWE for not making new stars, cutting off the people that did get over or even firing them... It's the same at the top of the Card. Brock vs. Roman was the main event of mania 7 years ago. can you imagine Andre vs. Hogan at Wrestlemania 10? Cause that is exactly what's going on here... Sometimes I feel like if it wasn't for the extreme turnover rate via early deaths, career ending injuries, drug issues etc. American wrestling history would look a lot more like Japanese or Mexican with the same guys in the main event scene for 10 years or more at a time. At least if WWE post Attitude Era is any indication.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 27, 2022 13:37:55 GMT -5
We’re SEVEN YEARS into Charlotte’s main roster run and they’re STILL cramming her down everyone’s throats and undercutting the rest of the division to make her look good.
They want people to forget how embarrassingly Ronda’s MMA career ended and pretend like she’s still in her prime.
And then bafflingly a lot of this feud has been about, talking. Even thought Ronda is not a good promo, and Charlotte phones it in a lot of the time. Why so much talking?
It’s very telling that the women in the tag title match have been able to make their stuff feel more exciting despite having much less to work with.
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