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Post by cornettesracket on Apr 2, 2022 16:26:31 GMT -5
Maybe in the fullness of time he may not be far off, but in 2022 absolutely not.
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Post by cornettesracket on Apr 2, 2022 16:27:34 GMT -5
Yes. Like... a million times yes. HBK is the most overrated over hyped wrestler ever. He was not a draw at all. Bret drew internationally, but still wasn't that a big of an American draw, which is why Vince always went with someone else over Bret most of the time. Roman draws. He sells merchandise, tickets, video games, ratings. People who say no, are blinded by nostalgia or personal preference. Are you high ?
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 16:31:41 GMT -5
Yes. Like... a million times yes. HBK is the most overrated over hyped wrestler ever. He was not a draw at all. Bret drew internationally, but still wasn't that a big of an American draw, which is why Vince always went with someone else over Bret most of the time. Roman draws. He sells merchandise, tickets, video games, ratings. People who say no, are blinded by nostalgia or personal preference. Are you high ? No? Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be under the influence? HBK was never a draw. WWE has treated him like he's on Hogan's level and he's not. He's at the very least 2 levels below him.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 2, 2022 16:33:24 GMT -5
The Million Dollar Man usually began and ended his promos with the answer to that question.
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Post by DeeBee on Apr 2, 2022 16:33:45 GMT -5
No? Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be under the influence? HBK was never a draw. WWE has treated him like he's on Hogan's level and he's not. He's at the very least 2 levels below him. While he may have not been a draw, dude is one of the greatest workers of all time. In my worthless opinion, HBK's worst match is still better than anything from today's WWE.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2022 16:34:36 GMT -5
No? Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be under the influence? HBK was never a draw. WWE has treated him like he's on Hogan's level and he's not. He's at the very least 2 levels below him. While he may have not been a draw, dude is one of the greatest workers of all time. In my worthless opinion, HBK's worst match is still better than anything from today's WWE. I mean even wrestlers that think Shawn is a dick admit that he's one of the best in ring workers to ever do it...
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2022 16:35:43 GMT -5
"Roman draws tickets and ratings" is an interesting take when TV ratings are at their lowest ever--which is also in proportion, not just in raw numbers. WWE does not get as high a share of the audience as they used to--and pre-pandemic, every quarterly report talked about attendance being down compared to the same quarter the year before. Guess I'm blinded by nostalgia for Bret Hart if I can read graphs
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 16:35:52 GMT -5
No? Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be under the influence? HBK was never a draw. WWE has treated him like he's on Hogan's level and he's not. He's at the very least 2 levels below him. While he may have not been a draw, dude is one of the greatest workers of all time. In my worthless opinion, HBK's worst match is still better than anything from today's WWE. Workrate is subjective. It doesn't matter. Drawing power does. And IMO HBK has 1 5 star match. VS Undertaker at WM26. I'd rate, Eddie, Rey, Jericho, Flair, Bret, Bulldog, Hennig, Hogan, Austin, Taker, HHH, over HBK as a worker, personally.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 16:36:47 GMT -5
"Roman draws tickets and ratings" is an interesting take when TV ratings are at their lowest ever--which is also in proportion, not just in raw numbers. WWE does not get as high a share of the audience as they used to--and pre-pandemic, every quarterly report talked about attendance being down compared to the same quarter the year before. Guess I'm blinded by nostalgia for Bret Hart if I can read graphs Passive agressive language is never a good look. Be better dude.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 16:37:59 GMT -5
While he may have not been a draw, dude is one of the greatest workers of all time. In my worthless opinion, HBK's worst match is still better than anything from today's WWE. I mean even wrestlers that think Shawn is a dick admit that he's one of the best in ring workers to ever do it... So? I'm not convinced. IMO Marty Janetty was the better wrestler. HHH was to. Opinions are just that, opinions.
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Post by DeeBee on Apr 2, 2022 16:38:06 GMT -5
While he may have not been a draw, dude is one of the greatest workers of all time. In my worthless opinion, HBK's worst match is still better than anything from today's WWE. Workrate is subjective. It doesn't matter. Drawing power does. And IMO HBK has 1 5 star match. VS Undertaker at WM26. I'd rate, Eddie, Rey, Jericho, Flair, Bret, Bulldog, Hennig, Hogan, Austin, Taker, HHH, over HBK as a worker, personally. Roman isn't exactly putting them in a new boom period. They were more popular during HBK's era. Which, to be fair, that isn't solely Roman's fault.
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Post by cornettesracket on Apr 2, 2022 16:39:07 GMT -5
No? Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be under the influence? HBK was never a draw. WWE has treated him like he's on Hogan's level and he's not. He's at the very least 2 levels below him. While he may have not been a draw, dude is one of the greatest workers of all time. In my worthless opinion, HBK's worst match is still better than anything from today's WWE. Exactly. I mean even Jim Cornette who we know was far far from a fan of HBK the person has on multiple times acknowledged the talent of HBK in ring. HBK was many things but overrated in ring he wasn’t.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 16:39:12 GMT -5
Workrate is subjective. It doesn't matter. Drawing power does. And IMO HBK has 1 5 star match. VS Undertaker at WM26. I'd rate, Eddie, Rey, Jericho, Flair, Bret, Bulldog, Hennig, Hogan, Austin, Taker, HHH, over HBK as a worker, personally. Roman isn't exactly putting them in a new boom period. They were more popular during HBK's era. Which, to be fair, that isn't solely Roman's fault. They weren't more popular. WCW was, but WWF was on it's death bed with HBK as the top face.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2022 16:39:32 GMT -5
"Roman draws tickets and ratings" is an interesting take when TV ratings are at their lowest ever--which is also in proportion, not just in raw numbers. WWE does not get as high a share of the audience as they used to--and pre-pandemic, every quarterly report talked about attendance being down compared to the same quarter the year before. Guess I'm blinded by nostalgia for Bret Hart if I can read graphs Passive agressive language is never a good look. Be better dude. You said people who disagree with you about Roman being an objective draw are 'blinded by nostalgia or preference'.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2022 16:40:05 GMT -5
I mean even wrestlers that think Shawn is a dick admit that he's one of the best in ring workers to ever do it... So? I'm not convinced. IMO Marty Janetty was the better wrestler. HHH was to. Opinions are just that, opinions. which is fine... except you're the one that mocked people for voicing their own opinions earlier.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 16:40:11 GMT -5
While he may have not been a draw, dude is one of the greatest workers of all time. In my worthless opinion, HBK's worst match is still better than anything from today's WWE. Exactly. I mean even Jim Cornette who we all was far far from a fan of HBK the person has on multiple times always acknowledged the talent of HBK in ring. HBK was many things but overrated in ring he wasn’t. Except.... once again, this is an opinion. Not a fact. I can name 50 wrestlers I think are better workers than Shawn. But it would still just be an opinion.
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Post by King Boo on Apr 2, 2022 16:40:31 GMT -5
Quality over quantity, so no.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 16:41:07 GMT -5
Passive agressive language is never a good look. Be better dude. You said people who disagree with you about Roman being an objective draw are 'blinded by nostalgia or preference'. And I stand by that. Bret drew, in the international market. But WWE makes money hands over fists with Roman as top guy.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 16:41:52 GMT -5
So? I'm not convinced. IMO Marty Janetty was the better wrestler. HHH was to. Opinions are just that, opinions. which is fine... except you're the one that mocked people for voicing their own opinions earlier. Whoa, whoa, who did I mock?
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Post by King Boo on Apr 2, 2022 16:43:41 GMT -5
which is fine... except you're the one that mocked people for voicing their own opinions earlier. Whoa, whoa, who did I mock? People who say no, are blinded by nostalgia or personal preference. People who say no, are blinded by nostalgia or personal preference. People who say no, are blinded by nostalgia or personal preference.
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