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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 14, 2022 5:33:37 GMT -5
I mean, he's kinda right. In my book, the best heel right now is Baron Corbin. Cause there's nothing likeable about him. He's not a "cool heel", he's just a dispicable douchebag. Too many wrestlers try to be "cool, funny heels"... Remember when HHH and Austin beat the shit out of Lita with a chair? THAT was heat. It was heat, but what did it lead to? SO many people tuned out because of heel Stone Cold, and those that stuck around found the funny, coward heel a better part of the show. Ok no one likes Corbin, but then why isn't he in the main event? People aren't paying for it, what people will pay for in a top heel has changed. You think he's the best cool, enjoy it all you like, but it's not really THAT successful, respectable but not top level.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 14, 2022 6:28:01 GMT -5
There's multiple ways to be a great heel, as are there numerous ways to make a great babyface character.
If the heel has a strong babyface to work with that won't put up with their shit, then it's ok for the heel to be a little flashy and fun while they're doing terrible things.
Like AJ in Bullet Club, he had cool moves, but this was BC's peak and he was also a cheating piece of garbage, so the crowd popped when Okada bested him.
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Post by eJm on Apr 14, 2022 6:33:35 GMT -5
There's multiple ways to be a great heel, as are there numerous ways to make a great babyface character. If the heel has a strong babyface to work with that won't put up with their shit, then it's ok for the heel to be a little flashy and fun while they're doing terrible things. Like AJ in Bullet Club, he had cool moves, but this was BC's peak and he was also a cheating piece of garbage, so the crowd popped when Okada bested him. Also, if you have someone like AJ who pulls off flashy moves, you build a story around him being confident in his abilities, he can taunt the crowd, cockily slap the opponent etc and get booed because he's a jerk about it. It was an aspect that he built from his first heel run in TNA. Like, a lot of these things have nuances depending on whose doing it and, as pointed out, hasn't been one way since wrestling went on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 9:22:02 GMT -5
Here's my hot take.
Too many people like to tell other people that they're not enjoying wrestling the right way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 9:29:22 GMT -5
I mean, he's kinda right. In my book, the best heel right now is Baron Corbin. Cause there's nothing likeable about him. He's not a "cool heel", he's just a dispicable douchebag. Too many wrestlers try to be "cool, funny heels"... Remember when HHH and Austin beat the shit out of Lita with a chair? THAT was heat. Yeah I agree with this. There's a difference between a heel and a bad guy. Bad guys exist everywhere while heels, that's different. This is a discussion that's been around for decades so at this point if people disagree then heh disagree, we all have opinions. Me though nah, we have very very few heels today but we have a ton of bad guys. And for the record I've been saying this about Corbin for years. Even his most liked character last year, Sad Corbin, wasn't really a heel. At most he was a bad guy. I never saw him as a heel.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 14, 2022 21:49:15 GMT -5
the classic " being boring makes you a good heel".
it's just worse than "people disliking you in real life is good heat" .
I do agree there eiwna difference between a Heel that is Cheered and a Heel. but people can enjoy your wor AND wanna boo your that is the ideal.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 14, 2022 21:59:23 GMT -5
Let’s be honest here. No kid in their right mind would have worn a JBL T-shirt back in the day.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 14, 2022 22:07:21 GMT -5
This feels like a great time to remind people that JBL harassed Steve Blackman in an airport one time until Blackman had enough of his bullshit and Roundhouse kicked him so hard he knocked him unconscious.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 14, 2022 22:46:28 GMT -5
This feels like a great time to remind people that JBL harassed Steve Blackman in an airport one time until Blackman had enough of his bullshit and Roundhouse kicked him so hard he knocked him unconscious. Bob Holly spoke about JBL's attitude towards this. It was in reference to Joey Styles knocking him out, but, JBL didn't care. He understands that's the price you pay for being a bully, eventually one day, someone is gonna fight back and JBL is willing to pay that price.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 14, 2022 23:36:19 GMT -5
This feels like a great time to remind people that JBL harassed Steve Blackman in an airport one time until Blackman had enough of his bullshit and Roundhouse kicked him so hard he knocked him unconscious. Bob Holly spoke about JBL's attitude towards this. It was in reference to Joey Styles knocking him out, but, JBL didn't care. He understands that's the price you pay for being a bully, eventually one day, someone is gonna fight back and JBL is willing to pay that price. That is kind of hilarious. Doesn’t excuse all the things he did, but I gained a little respect for that
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 15, 2022 0:21:59 GMT -5
I don’t understand the “Baron is a great heel because he just gets it.” Maybe that’s true, but doesn’t WWE micromanage everything to the point that who really knows what anyone can really do? Baron might be f***ing awesome, but we’d never know.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 15, 2022 2:28:36 GMT -5
I mean, he's kinda right. In my book, the best heel right now is Baron Corbin. Cause there's nothing likeable about him. He's not a "cool heel", he's just a dispicable douchebag. Too many wrestlers try to be "cool, funny heels"... Remember when HHH and Austin beat the shit out of Lita with a chair? THAT was heat. It's also going to limit his opportunities should he ever leave WWE. Since he's made zero attempt to endear himself to fans, inside the ring or out, nobody's going to be clamoring for him to be booked anywhere else. Nobody's going to buy a ticket to see Tom Pestock on the indies. Yeah the JBL run was at the end of his career when he was a multi millionaire that didn't need wrestling. He wasn't bothered about future career options or the money from merch. Corbin will probably be ok but any wrestler on the way up has to think of these things. There's a good chance you'll be cut and won't even have your gimmick so make as much money and build as good a reputation as you can so people will want to see you elsewhere.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 15, 2022 2:33:12 GMT -5
the classic " being boring makes you a good heel". it's just worse than "people disliking you in real life is good heat" . I do agree there eiwna difference between a Heel that is Cheered and a Heel. but people can enjoy your wor AND wanna boo your that is the ideal. as I've said The entire point of a heel is not to be boring, or even REALLY getting booed. The Heels ENTIRE point is pretty much ultimately getting the face over. You can be a "cool heel" and do that... you can be a despicable scumbag ... or a comedy heel and get it to work. People literally not wanting to see you? That's not good heel work... A heel like Owens that sells t-shirts? Owens also knows how to act like a shithead that gets the audience want the face to kick his ass. Sami Zayn's entire Jackass Feud he was an annoying comedic asshole that the crowd was super into him getting his comeuppance at Mania.
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