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Post by MrElijah on Apr 14, 2022 14:56:06 GMT -5
Lord, they need some kids. And better booking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 14:56:13 GMT -5
Oof, they need to change some shit up. I like Carmella and Zelina, but not THAT much.
And this might be an unpopular opinion, but I like Alexa much more as a face and hope she remains one.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 14, 2022 15:07:43 GMT -5
Well I don't think they really have much say so on the matter. Meaning I doubt Vince really gives a crap what they want. If Vince wants Bayley on Raw then that's where she's going regardless if they don't like it. Considering the last time they split up, Sasha walked out on the company, yes I think they cave to her demands. Especially since she's been weighing a hollywood career and is making Disney money now as well. And what happened there? They still kept her on her contract meaning there wasn't anything she could do until she eventually ended up having to come crawling back. If they refused her demands and she didn't want to go along with it then the same thing would happen. She would sulk off and business would go on like usual until she would have to come crawling back. I think they value Sasha but I don't think they view her as someone who isn't expendable either. Charlotte, Becky, Ronda, and Bianca maybe they would cave to but I don't think Sasha they would. The women in general really don't have much leverage it seems. I've heard stories of even Becky and Charlotte both of whom are even higher on the totem pole then Sasha requesting stuff and basically getting blown off. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 14, 2022 15:08:55 GMT -5
Oof, they need to change some shit up. I like Carmella and Zelina, but not THAT much. And this might be an unpopular opinion, but I like Alexa much more as a face and hope she remains one. Alexa is more entertaining in-ring as a face, for sure. With Rhea likely turning, no reason to switch Alexa back heel either. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 15:09:58 GMT -5
Well I don't think they really have much say so on the matter. Meaning I doubt Vince really gives a crap what they want. If Vince wants Bayley on Raw then that's where she's going regardless if they don't like it. Considering the last time they split up, Sasha walked out on the company, yes I think they cave to her demands. Especially since she's been weighing a hollywood career and is making Disney money now as well. And Sasha will not hesitate to leverage that because she knows she has to go to Hollywood as soon as she can because unlike wrestling it is not something she bank on unless she blows up as an actress where as she can always return to wrestling. And Vince wont risk pissing her off and giving her any sort of insentive to look to another company because of all the 4H she is the one IMO that would absoloutley jump ship if she feels slited by Vince and co. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 15:11:39 GMT -5
Oof, they need to change some shit up. I like Carmella and Zelina, but not THAT much. And this might be an unpopular opinion, but I like Alexa much more as a face and hope she remains one. Alexa is more entertaining in-ring as a face, for sure. With Rhea likely turning, no reason to switch Alexa back heel either. Yeah, when Alexa's a heel they book her to be this dominant ass kicker in the ring and it's weird. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 15:12:20 GMT -5
Considering the last time they split up, Sasha walked out on the company, yes I think they cave to her demands. Especially since she's been weighing a hollywood career and is making Disney money now as well. And what happened there? They still kept her on her contract meaning there wasn't anything she could do until she eventually ended up having to come crawling back. If they refused her demands and she didn't want to go along with it then the same thing would happen. She would sulk off and business would go on like usual until she would have to come crawling back. I think they value Sasha but I don't think they view her as someone who isn't expendable either. Charlotte, Becky, Ronda, and Bianca maybe they would cave to but I don't think Sasha they would. The women in general really don't have much leverage it seems. I've heard stories of even Becky and Charlotte both of whom are even higher on the totem pole then Sasha requesting stuff and basically getting blown off. Becky said she wanted to put Shayna over at WM, but Vince wouldn't go for it. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 14, 2022 15:16:25 GMT -5
Oof, they need to change some shit up. I like Carmella and Zelina, but not THAT much. And this might be an unpopular opinion, but I like Alexa much more as a face and hope she remains one. I prefer Alexa as a face too. It fits her better in ring and they seem to use her better and more appropriately in that role as well. That being a catalyst in the tag division or a character attraction. Unlike when she was a heel when they were trying to book her as this dominant champion which was to be blunt pretty ridiculous. That 2017-18 mega push was just brutal and really turned a lot of fans myself included off her after she had pretty enjoyable run on Smackdown in late 2016-early 17 where she was pushed good but in a more suitable way and not unbearably so. |
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Post by Perd on Apr 14, 2022 15:58:06 GMT -5
My great-grandfather died of internal hierarchy.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 14, 2022 16:06:49 GMT -5
Considering the last time they split up, Sasha walked out on the company, yes I think they cave to her demands. Especially since she's been weighing a hollywood career and is making Disney money now as well. And Sasha will not hesitate to leverage that because she knows she has to go to Hollywood as soon as she can because unlike wrestling it is not something she bank on unless she blows up as an actress where as she can always return to wrestling. And Vince wont risk pissing her off and giving her any sort of insentive to look to another company because of all the 4H she is the one IMO that would absoloutley jump ship if she feels slited by Vince and co. As I said elsewhere... people keep saying Roman and Sasha are leaving for Hollywood... but like are they? Sasha had a bit part on the Mandalorian but it's not like she set the world on fire... and Wrestlers in general getting into Hollywood is pretty slim in general... but Women's wrestlers? Outside of like really low grade schlock has not happened. |
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 14, 2022 16:17:31 GMT -5
Oof, they need to change some shit up. I like Carmella and Zelina, but not THAT much. And this might be an unpopular opinion, but I like Alexa much more as a face and hope she remains one. Alexa is more entertaining in-ring as a face, for sure. With Rhea likely turning, no reason to switch Alexa back heel either. Alexa’s current thing works for either alignment, really. Just have her spooky stuff targeting whatever opposite alignment she’s facing when needed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 16:17:32 GMT -5
And Sasha will not hesitate to leverage that because she knows she has to go to Hollywood as soon as she can because unlike wrestling it is not something she bank on unless she blows up as an actress where as she can always return to wrestling. And Vince wont risk pissing her off and giving her any sort of insentive to look to another company because of all the 4H she is the one IMO that would absoloutley jump ship if she feels slited by Vince and co. As I said elsewhere... people keep saying Roman and Sasha are leaving for Hollywood... but like are they? Sasha had a bit part on the Mandalorian but it's not like she set the world on fire... and Wrestlers in general getting into Hollywood is pretty slim in general... but Women's wrestlers? Outside of like really low grade schlock has not happened. I am goin off of what Sasha said on logan pauls podcast about how she has a choice to make whether to keep doin what she is doing or go to Hollywood so I took it as her weighing her options and she made a point to say she has pretty much done everything there is to do in WWE , still loves wrestling etc. Roman also had a similar thing to say some months ago about how he already has one foot into Hollywood and wants to give that a go. Roman has a bigger window of time than Sasha would simply that Hollywood doesn't spit out the male talent and move on nearly as quickly as they do female and if Sasha wants to make any strides she better start doin it now because she is gonna have to start with smaller bit roles, I mean isn't Charlotte dippin her raggedy foot into Hollywood with that TV series based on Walking Tall or whatever happened to that. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 14, 2022 16:18:50 GMT -5
Ranking shit like this has always seemed like a poor choice to me.
Who was your #1 between Austin and Rock? Or was it just real nice having both at once? You ever thought about trying to book it so you got more than one big star??
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 14, 2022 18:20:02 GMT -5
Ranking shit like this has always seemed like a poor choice to me. Who was your #1 between Austin and Rock? Or was it just real nice having both at once? You ever thought about trying to book it so you got more than one big star?? I’m pretty sure it’s just an internal list for creative of who they have to work with for ease of referencing and booking, that is everchanging, |
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Post by gl83 on Apr 14, 2022 18:49:03 GMT -5
Considering the last time they split up, Sasha walked out on the company, yes I think they cave to her demands. Especially since she's been weighing a hollywood career and is making Disney money now as well. And what happened there? They still kept her on her contract meaning there wasn't anything she could do until she eventually ended up having to come crawling back. If they refused her demands and she didn't want to go along with it then the same thing would happen. She would sulk off and business would go on like usual until she would have to come crawling back. I think they value Sasha but I don't think they view her as someone who isn't expendable either. Charlotte, Becky, Ronda, and Bianca maybe they would cave to but I don't think Sasha they would. The women in general really don't have much leverage it seems. I've heard stories of even Becky and Charlotte both of whom are even higher on the totem pole then Sasha requesting stuff and basically getting blown off. What happened was Sasha Banks came back, was paired up with Bayley again after a few weeks and then within a couple months both her & Bayley got drafted to the same show(Smackdown) and have been together since. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 19:00:30 GMT -5
Poor Nikki and Doudrop
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 15, 2022 3:03:36 GMT -5
And what happened there? They still kept her on her contract meaning there wasn't anything she could do until she eventually ended up having to come crawling back. If they refused her demands and she didn't want to go along with it then the same thing would happen. She would sulk off and business would go on like usual until she would have to come crawling back. I think they value Sasha but I don't think they view her as someone who isn't expendable either. Charlotte, Becky, Ronda, and Bianca maybe they would cave to but I don't think Sasha they would. The women in general really don't have much leverage it seems. I've heard stories of even Becky and Charlotte both of whom are even higher on the totem pole then Sasha requesting stuff and basically getting blown off. Becky said she wanted to put Shayna over at WM, but Vince wouldn't go for it. That's what I had in mind. Along with Charlotte apparently requesting to put over Bianca but they still said no and did a DQ or something. Although honestly those probably aren't great examples as while those are both cases of WWE not listening to them, they are also both instances of their chosen ones suggesting to lose and them not having it. I wonder what would happen if one of them refused to lose to someone instead. Like say Becky was booked to lose to someone more specifically at the peak of her powers in 2019 or early 2020 and outright refused. Or Charlotte refusing to do a job any time during her career. |
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Post by eJm on Apr 15, 2022 6:03:28 GMT -5
The drop from Becky to Carmella and Zelina is the equivalent of having a Premier League of only Manchester City, Watford and Norwich City.
Like, I can't stress enough how much WWE have bungled their women's division since the pandemic started.
Getting Bianca right feels like somewhat of a fluke.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 15, 2022 6:15:05 GMT -5
With Becky presumably going face soon, they really need to turn Rhea heel sooner than later.
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Post by mistery on Apr 15, 2022 7:10:07 GMT -5
Becky said she wanted to put Shayna over at WM, but Vince wouldn't go for it. That's what I had in mind. Along with Charlotte apparently requesting to put over Bianca but they still said no and did a DQ or something. Although honestly those probably aren't great examples as while those are both cases of WWE not listening to them, they are also both instances of their chosen ones suggesting to lose and them not having it. I wonder what would happen if one of them refused to lose to someone instead. Like say Becky was booked to lose to someone more specifically at the peak of her powers in 2019 or early 2020 and outright refused. Or Charlotte refusing to do a job any time during her career. Charlotte has a very warped sense of "putting someone over" if you've read her book. Also her refusing to sell like...ever in matches makes the other person look bad and I doubt that's on creative. She's also gone onto interviews and complained about how WWE doesn't book her strong enough and how she needs to be appreciated by the fans more, and generally comes across as incredibly miserable. Combine that with her being incredibly difficult to work with over the past year or so, and yeah. That's not counting how unprofessional/dangerous she can be in the ring. See TLC 2018 where she started shooting on Kairi after she (Charlotte) concussed her. Mark Henry also talked about Charlotte a couple of years ago on Busted Open, talking about how a lot of the women backstage don't really care for her and barely tolerate her, because she keeps pushing to be booked over them, and (his words, not mine) talked about how she gets incredibly jealous of other women for having a more organic fanbase. He cited her lack of selling for KAIRI at the Royal Rumble that year, saying that backstage, a lot of the other wrestlers and backstage crew felt like Charlotte was trying to big league Kairi because "she was small". Which you could see as Charlotte sold literally none of Kairi's offense in that Rumble match. |
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