gl83
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Post by gl83 on Apr 15, 2022 7:35:16 GMT -5
So, here’s what the roster looks like now: Raw
Face: -Bianca Belair -Alexa Bliss -Liv Morgan -Rhea Ripley(about to turn Heel) -Dana Brooke -Asuka(yet to return)
Heel: -Becky Lynch -Doudrop -Carmella -Queen Zelina -Nikki A.S.H. -Tamina
Meanwhile on Smackdown Face:
-Ronda Rousey -Sasha Banks -Naomi -Xia Li -Aliyah -Raquel Rodriguez -Lacey Evans
Heel:
-Charlotte Flair -Shayna Baszler -Natalya(she’ll be in NXT for the next month or so) -Shotzi -Bayley(yet to return)
Depth and lack of championship-caliber Faces and Heels are definitely a concern.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 15, 2022 8:26:29 GMT -5
That's what I had in mind. Along with Charlotte apparently requesting to put over Bianca but they still said no and did a DQ or something. Although honestly those probably aren't great examples as while those are both cases of WWE not listening to them, they are also both instances of their chosen ones suggesting to lose and them not having it. I wonder what would happen if one of them refused to lose to someone instead. Like say Becky was booked to lose to someone more specifically at the peak of her powers in 2019 or early 2020 and outright refused. Or Charlotte refusing to do a job any time during her career. Charlotte has a very warped sense of "putting someone over" if you've read her book. Also her refusing to sell like...ever in matches makes the other person look bad and I doubt that's on creative. She's also gone onto interviews and complained about how WWE doesn't book her strong enough and how she needs to be appreciated by the fans more, and generally comes across as incredibly miserable. Combine that with her being incredibly difficult to work with over the past year or so, and yeah. That's not counting how unprofessional/dangerous she can be in the ring. See TLC 2018 where she started shooting on Kairi after she (Charlotte) concussed her. Mark Henry also talked about Charlotte a couple of years ago on Busted Open, talking about how a lot of the women backstage don't really care for her and barely tolerate her, because she keeps pushing to be booked over them, and (his words, not mine) talked about how she gets incredibly jealous of other women for having a more organic fanbase. He cited her lack of selling for KAIRI at the Royal Rumble that year, saying that backstage, a lot of the other wrestlers and backstage crew felt like Charlotte was trying to big league Kairi because "she was small". Which you could see as Charlotte sold literally none of Kairi's offense in that Rumble match. Link to the Henry interview? You’ve cited it numerous times and the statements apparently made get more and more every time. Charlotte typically has a pretty stellar reputation with her peers, outside of the recent falling out with Becky.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 15, 2022 15:22:09 GMT -5
So, here’s what the roster looks like now: RawFace:-Bianca Belair -Alexa Bliss -Liv Morgan -Rhea Ripley(about to turn Heel) -Dana Brooke -Asuka(yet to return) Heel:-Becky Lynch -Doudrop -Carmella -Queen Zelina -Nikki A.S.H. -Tamina Meanwhile on Smackdown Face:-Ronda Rousey -Sasha Banks -Naomi -Xia Li -Aliyah -Raquel Rodriguez -Lacey Evans Heel:-Charlotte Flair -Shayna Baszler -Natalya(she’ll be in NXT for the next month or so) -Shotzi -Bayley(yet to return) Depth and lack of championship-caliber Faces and Heels are definitely a concern. Looking at that list I've noticed that both brands are perfectly fine on the face side but are really hurting for heels. They both have strong #1's with Becky and Charlotte but then it just falls off a cliff after that. Even though I'm not a fan of them splitting up Rhea and Liv so soon in this sense I guess it's needed just to get another heel who has talent and is still credible. Although at the same time after she turns then the face side takes a big blow as you just have Bianca as the only credible face who is active and wrestling a full time schedule in the division. Also I worry they are going to turn Lacey yet again and scrap this potentially really good face character for her just simply because they need heels. Raquel or Xia would be much better choices for that I think.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 15, 2022 16:37:54 GMT -5
Charlotte has a very warped sense of "putting someone over" if you've read her book. Also her refusing to sell like...ever in matches makes the other person look bad and I doubt that's on creative. She's also gone onto interviews and complained about how WWE doesn't book her strong enough and how she needs to be appreciated by the fans more, and generally comes across as incredibly miserable. Combine that with her being incredibly difficult to work with over the past year or so, and yeah. That's not counting how unprofessional/dangerous she can be in the ring. See TLC 2018 where she started shooting on Kairi after she (Charlotte) concussed her. Mark Henry also talked about Charlotte a couple of years ago on Busted Open, talking about how a lot of the women backstage don't really care for her and barely tolerate her, because she keeps pushing to be booked over them, and (his words, not mine) talked about how she gets incredibly jealous of other women for having a more organic fanbase. He cited her lack of selling for KAIRI at the Royal Rumble that year, saying that backstage, a lot of the other wrestlers and backstage crew felt like Charlotte was trying to big league Kairi because "she was small". Which you could see as Charlotte sold literally none of Kairi's offense in that Rumble match. Link to the Henry interview? You’ve cited it numerous times and the statements apparently made get more and more every time. Charlotte typically has a pretty stellar reputation with her peers, outside of the recent falling out with Becky. I decided to look for it myself since he always brings it up but never provides a link or any proof when someone asks for it. Only thing I could find when it came to Mark Henry was this article wrestlingheadlines.com/mark-henry-on-how-highly-he-values-charlotte-flair/?msclkid=b3326da6bd0211ec8a65aea0913e7d4afrom May 2020, five months after TLC 2019, where he has nothing but praise for Charlotte. I don't like Charlotte and honestly wish she would go away but I also don't think she's this horrible monster of a person either. As you said her reputation is pretty good for the most part. Only negative stuff I can think of coming out about her is from the fallout of the Becky belt swap debacle in which it was stated pretty much everyone both office and talent alike took Becky's side and that Charlotte could be a "difficult" person to work with. At the same time though it was stated that she while she wasn't liked professionally that personally pretty much everyone liked her. Honestly I think the whole Becky thing is a work anyways. At least on Becky's end. I mean for apparently having so much heat after that incident it really didn't effect Charlotte much did it? Her never ending mega push has continued to roll on as she's still remained Smackdown Champion to this day and pinned Ronda Rousey at Wrestlemania. Also if it is a shoot it seems like of the two Charlotte to her credit is the one who is taking more of the high road.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 15, 2022 17:43:08 GMT -5
Link to the Henry interview? You’ve cited it numerous times and the statements apparently made get more and more every time. Charlotte typically has a pretty stellar reputation with her peers, outside of the recent falling out with Becky. I decided to look for it myself since he always brings it up but never provides a link or any proof when someone asks for it. Only thing I could find when it came to Mark Henry was this article wrestlingheadlines.com/mark-henry-on-how-highly-he-values-charlotte-flair/?msclkid=b3326da6bd0211ec8a65aea0913e7d4afrom May 2020, five months after TLC 2019, where he has nothing but praise for Charlotte. I don't like Charlotte and honestly wish she would go away but I also don't think she's this horrible monster of a person either. As you said her reputation is pretty good for the most part. Only negative stuff I can think of coming out about her is from the fallout of the Becky belt swap debacle in which it was stated pretty much everyone both office and talent alike took Becky's side and that Charlotte could be a "difficult" person to work with. At the same time though it was stated that she while she wasn't liked professionally that personally pretty much everyone liked her. Honestly I think the whole Becky thing is a work anyways. At least on Becky's end. I mean for apparently having so much heat after that incident it really didn't effect Charlotte much did it? Her never ending mega push has continued to roll on as she's still remained Smackdown Champion to this day and pinned Ronda Rousey at Wrestlemania. Also if it is a shoot it seems like of the two Charlotte to her credit is the one who is taking more of the high road. Thanks for looking for it, I’ve similarly had trouble finding anything about Henry tearing into Charlotte. I’m assuming it doesn’t actually exist, or has been exaggerated.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 16, 2022 2:54:57 GMT -5
I decided to look for it myself since he always brings it up but never provides a link or any proof when someone asks for it. Only thing I could find when it came to Mark Henry was this article wrestlingheadlines.com/mark-henry-on-how-highly-he-values-charlotte-flair/?msclkid=b3326da6bd0211ec8a65aea0913e7d4afrom May 2020, five months after TLC 2019, where he has nothing but praise for Charlotte. I don't like Charlotte and honestly wish she would go away but I also don't think she's this horrible monster of a person either. As you said her reputation is pretty good for the most part. Only negative stuff I can think of coming out about her is from the fallout of the Becky belt swap debacle in which it was stated pretty much everyone both office and talent alike took Becky's side and that Charlotte could be a "difficult" person to work with. At the same time though it was stated that she while she wasn't liked professionally that personally pretty much everyone liked her. Honestly I think the whole Becky thing is a work anyways. At least on Becky's end. I mean for apparently having so much heat after that incident it really didn't effect Charlotte much did it? Her never ending mega push has continued to roll on as she's still remained Smackdown Champion to this day and pinned Ronda Rousey at Wrestlemania. Also if it is a shoot it seems like of the two Charlotte to her credit is the one who is taking more of the high road. Thanks for looking for it, I’ve similarly had trouble finding anything about Henry tearing into Charlotte. I’m assuming it doesn’t actually exist, or has been exaggerated. That's what I think too. He seems to have a strange obsessive hatred of Charlotte where any time she gets brought up in a thread he'll chime in about how she's this horrible person and brings up Mark Henry apparently trashing her and talking about how everyone dislikes her. Yet any time someone asks for a link or a source he won't respond or doesn't acknowledge the question. Henry probably briefly mentioned the other women being jealous or something and because the poster hates her so much he exaggerates about it. I do remember an Andrade interview where he mentioned the other women being jealous of Charlotte and the opportunities she gets which shouldn't be a shock with the extremely favorable treatment she's gotten and with him being her boyfriend at the time I don't know why he would lie. There was also complaints about her working stiff. Combine that with the reports of her being difficult at times it wouldn't surprise me if there's some resentment from some people. However I find it very unlikely that she's this rotten human being that is utterly despised by everyone.
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Post by eJm on Apr 16, 2022 3:39:01 GMT -5
I’ll just say what I keep saying when the subject is brought up; Charlotte has about as much control over her booking as anyone else does outside the upper tier of talent. We have no indication to think Charlotte is this manipulative monster or terrible human and have more than enough info from people that she isn’t.
Vince, however, we have enough to know that he’s got full control over everyone’s booking and if he wanted to call her Scarlett Pimpernickel The 3rd tomorrow, he could and would. And if Charlotte is this manipulative she-Devil who can’t put over people then that’s on Vince to tell her to stop because he’s got full control over it. He doesn’t seem like someone who would let that attitude run roughshot if he didn’t think it was earned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 6:24:46 GMT -5
I could see Bayley going to SD. She and Sasha have said they don’t like being split up on separate brands. Well I don't think they really have much say so on the matter. Meaning I doubt Vince really gives a crap what they want. If Vince wants Bayley on Raw then that's where she's going regardless if they don't like it. They should. If I ran a wrestling company, and two of the best women's wrestlers in the world who are best friends want to be on the same shows together, I'm letting them. I don't want them to sign with the competition because b they aren't happy.
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