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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 19, 2022 13:48:39 GMT -5
It's baffling to me that you still have so many people saying so and so will never return. Bret alone should stop anyone every definitively saying stuff like that. If he can return anyone can. No matter how acrimonious the split or much they criticize WWE while they're away they usually all end up going back in some capacity. Hogan. Bruno. Ventura. Warrior. Bret. Austin. Lesnar. Goldberg. Jarrett. Luger. Madusa. Sable. You could go on and on. Cody and Steiner were just the latest.
What major name didn't end up returning by their own choice? I mean a big star who WWE would have desperately wanted back but the person stuck to their guns and refused to do so? So that doesn't include like Savage who was angling for a return for years or Punk who said he'd be willing to return if the money was right but WWE wasn't interested in negotiating with him. If they offered him $5-10m in 2019 when he was on that Backstage show he'd have went back in a heartbeat and if they offered Savage a hall of fame spot years earlier he would have accepted. That isn't conjecture. Both are on record saying so. Moxley has said more than once that he's open to a return down the road too.
If WWE wants him in the future for a Shield nostalgia run history says it will probably end up happening. I'd bet way more money on it happening than not happening. I don't think he's going anywhere this contract renewal cycle but to say he'll never go back is crazy to me when all evidence and history points to the contrary.
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Post by The Warthog on Apr 19, 2022 13:52:20 GMT -5
THIS. Apparently, there is an unwritten rule everyone has to come back. He's living his best life RN and personally I hope he continues to do so until retirement every time I hear this "everyone always comes back" shit I always picture King George from Hamilton. the context is almost exactly the same. just reeks of fan entitlement. I think that people look at Cody and see him as a sign of more defections to come. I can't understand why Mox would want to go back to WWE and their terrible booking and scheduling. |
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 19, 2022 14:02:33 GMT -5
I think under the right circumstances anyone would go back to WWE. It's all just business and money, after all.
But, I don't know if the circumstances would ever be right for Mox. He seems to enjoy doing his own thing, both with AEW and on the indies, way too much to get back into the WWE system.
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 19, 2022 14:26:12 GMT -5
He's going to be Ambrose, but I could totally see him becoming Mox in a feud where he needs to be violent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 14:41:41 GMT -5
It's baffling to me that you still have so many people saying so and so will never return. Bret alone should stop anyone every definitively saying stuff like that. If he can return anyone can. No matter how acrimonious the split or much they criticize WWE while they're away they usually all end up going back in some capacity. Hogan. Bruno. Ventura. Warrior. Bret. Austin. Lesnar. Goldberg. Jarrett. Luger. Madusa. Sable. You could go on and on. Cody and Steiner were just the latest. What major name didn't end up returning by their own choice? I mean a big star who WWE would have desperately wanted back but the person stuck to their guns and refused to do so? So that doesn't include like Savage who was angling for a return for years or Punk who said he'd be willing to return if the money was right but WWE wasn't interested in negotiating with him. If they offered him $5-10m in 2019 when he was on that Backstage show he'd have went back in a heartbeat and if they offered Savage a hall of fame spot years earlier he would have accepted. That isn't conjecture. Both are on record saying so. Moxley has said more than once that he's open to a return down the road too. If WWE wants him in the future for a Shield nostalgia run history says it will probably end up happening. I'd bet way more money on it happening than not happening. I don't think he's going anywhere this contract renewal cycle but to say he'll never go back is crazy to me when all evidence and history points to the contrary. I think as an AEW fan who doesn’t really watch WWE outside of some clips it’s more the “inevitably” how some WWE fan talk about. On the AEW board the same thing popped up with the same points. Like it’s bound to happen eventually so who cares about what Mox is doing now in AEW. (not accusing you, but that’s how it comes across from others who say Mox will return). Makes it seem like he is itching to return when none of us really knows. Are the odds high that he returns some day? Sure. But as of right now he is in a hot angle and seems to be enjoying himself. So I would rather focus on that. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 19, 2022 15:01:08 GMT -5
It's baffling to me that you still have so many people saying so and so will never return. Bret alone should stop anyone every definitively saying stuff like that. If he can return anyone can. No matter how acrimonious the split or much they criticize WWE while they're away they usually all end up going back in some capacity. Hogan. Bruno. Ventura. Warrior. Bret. Austin. Lesnar. Goldberg. Jarrett. Luger. Madusa. Sable. You could go on and on. Cody and Steiner were just the latest. What major name didn't end up returning by their own choice? I mean a big star who WWE would have desperately wanted back but the person stuck to their guns and refused to do so? So that doesn't include like Savage who was angling for a return for years or Punk who said he'd be willing to return if the money was right but WWE wasn't interested in negotiating with him. If they offered him $5-10m in 2019 when he was on that Backstage show he'd have went back in a heartbeat and if they offered Savage a hall of fame spot years earlier he would have accepted. That isn't conjecture. Both are on record saying so. Moxley has said more than once that he's open to a return down the road too. If WWE wants him in the future for a Shield nostalgia run history says it will probably end up happening. I'd bet way more money on it happening than not happening. I don't think he's going anywhere this contract renewal cycle but to say he'll never go back is crazy to me when all evidence and history points to the contrary. I think as an AEW fan who doesn’t really watch WWE outside of some clips it’s more the “inevitably” how some WWE fan talk about. On the AEW board the same thing popped up with the same points. Like it’s bound to happen eventually so who cares about what Mox is doing now in AEW. (not accusing you, but that’s how it comes across from others who say Mox will return). Makes it seem like he is itching to return when none of us really knows. Are the odds high that he returns some day? Sure. But as of right now he is in a hot angle and seems to be enjoying himself. So I would rather focus on that. I think as a WWE fan, the reason I think it's inevitable is that every major WWE guy that has left eventually came back if WWE wanted them back. Even the ones who hated Vince, who said that they would never ever work for that man ever again, either came back or were open to the idea if things were right. Shit, CM Punk(who has WAAAAAY more of actual beef with WWE) shits on WWE any chance he could get. Yet, if Vince or Triple would have swallowed their pride, he'd be back in the company right now as he was open to coming back. People get so worked up by what these dudes say. I don't believe a word these guys say. We all say a lot of stuff when we're angry. But money and power talk. It always has. Also, the whole I am "independently wealthy" stuff and don't need WWE's money is so laughable. Like I literally cannot believe people buy into this stuff. These people are carnies who are willing to say anything and everything to garner support for themselves and their narrative. Everybody has a price, especially in the wrestling business. Does he come back? I don't know if he comes back this year. But I guarantee he'll be back eventually. They always come back if there is money to be made. That's just history. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 15:41:54 GMT -5
I think as an AEW fan who doesn’t really watch WWE outside of some clips it’s more the “inevitably” how some WWE fan talk about. On the AEW board the same thing popped up with the same points. Like it’s bound to happen eventually so who cares about what Mox is doing now in AEW. (not accusing you, but that’s how it comes across from others who say Mox will return). Makes it seem like he is itching to return when none of us really knows. Are the odds high that he returns some day? Sure. But as of right now he is in a hot angle and seems to be enjoying himself. So I would rather focus on that. I think as a WWE fan, the reason I think it's inevitable is that every major WWE guy that has left eventually came back if WWE wanted them back. Even the ones who hated Vince, who said that they would never ever work for that man ever again, either came back or were open to the idea if things were right. Shit, CM Punk(who has WAAAAAY more of actual beef with WWE) shits on WWE any chance he could get. Yet, if Vince or Triple would have swallowed their pride, he'd be back in the company right now as he was open to coming back. People get so worked up by what these dudes say. I don't believe a word these guys say. We all say a lot of stuff when we're angry. But money and power talk. It always has. Also, the whole I am "independently wealthy" stuff and don't need WWE's money is so laughable. Like I literally cannot believe people buy into this stuff. These people are carnies who are willing to say anything and everything to garner support for themselves and their narrative. Everybody has a price, especially in the wrestling business. Does he come back? I don't know if he comes back this year. But I guarantee he'll be back eventually. They always come back if there is money to be made. That's just history. This is kinda the point I was making. We simply don't know. What if Mox wrestles another 10 years, continues to be one of the most influential wrestlers today (bridging the gap between NJPW and AEW) wins some more world titles, then goes to a backstage role/commentator. Or Renee gets hired by ESPN and he gets fat on the couch being a dad like he's joked about? Or he opens a wrestling school and finds a calling there? Or a million other options. We simply don't know. The wrestling landscape is different than when a lot of those major stars returned. Because most of those happened when WWE was the only major player. If WCW was still around does Bret return? Jarrett would have never needed to create TNA to keep himself employed, so does he? Savage never returned to WWE as far as I know before he passed but was in talks (correct me if I'm wrong on this one). Bruno heldout for decades for the product to shift away from Attitude Era to accept the HOF offer. Punk didn't know if AEW would have lasted but was in talks with Khan from day one. I think that is an important point. AEW is a viable money making option that has shifted the wrestling landscape. So it should present more options than the "inevitable" return people make it out to be. I really am trying not to make this a WWE vs AEW. But AEW exists so I think raises the odds of "maybe not" than an 100% Mox will return. Again is it more likely than not? Sure, but it's not written in stone. |
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Apr 19, 2022 15:52:11 GMT -5
Dudes not coming back to the WWE. He 100% will, it's just a matter of "when" and not "if." Simply put, there are precious few people who I'd feel have nuked the bridge back entirely and he's not one of them. |
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Post by Dub H on Apr 19, 2022 16:54:57 GMT -5
Dudes not coming back to the WWE. He 100% will, it's just a matter of "when" and not "if." Simply put, there are precious few people who I'd feel have nuked the bridge back entirely and he's not one of them. He didnt nuke but he has absolutely no reason to. Definitely an IF.Maybe 10 years from now he is so wrecked he just doesnt wanna do any wrestling and retires with the shitload of money he already has,I find that more likely than a WWE return its neither a NEVER nor a WHEN |
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 19, 2022 17:20:55 GMT -5
It's a huge if.
People are forgetting what he gave up when he left. He left the company that his wife and best friends work at to take his chance on a company that was just starting out and that he had no clue would really take off like it has. He was offered a pay rise and most likely a huge push, but nope. That's how unhappy he was there. Now he gets to be as creative as he wants, can choose his hours, and although probably isn't making WWE money, is making more than enough. I know some of you think people will literally die if they're not racking in millions by the hour or whatever those gangster movies have told you, but everyone is different when it comes to money and happiness.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 19, 2022 17:23:48 GMT -5
There is just some crazy desperation from some to get everyone ever back into WWE whether they were happy there or not.
It's almost as abusive as WWE was in the first place.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 19, 2022 17:50:51 GMT -5
It's a huge if. People are forgetting what he gave up when he left. He left the company that his wife and best friends work at to take his chance on a company that was just starting out and that he had no clue would really take off like it has. He was offered a pay rise and most likely a huge push, but nope. That's how unhappy he was there. Now he gets to be as creative as he wants, can choose his hours, and although probably isn't making WWE money, is making more than enough. I know some of you think people will literally die if they're not racking in millions by the hour or whatever those gangster movies have told you, but everyone is different when it comes to money and happiness. Correction ,he left NOT knowing there would be a company that was just starting out that he had no clue would be taking off. he has said so and that he would have left WWE with AEW or not he also said working for WWE made him physically sick. now are we considering a one time legend appearence as return? That is much more likely. |
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Post by attitudeeraguy22 on Apr 19, 2022 18:09:54 GMT -5
I think he will be back. Cody Rhodes never thought he’d be back until it made sense. For Moxley, three years away might be enough time. What more can he do in AEW?
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 19, 2022 18:11:12 GMT -5
If I knew whether/how/why/when/where someone would return to WWE, I'd also have the clairvoyance to have a PS5 right now.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 19, 2022 18:12:29 GMT -5
I think he will be back. Cody Rhodes never thought he’d be back until it made sense. For Moxley, three years away might be enough time. What more can he go in AEW? There's plenty to do: - Never had his planned heel turn - Tag title run with Bryan - Feud with the likes of Punk and Hangman - Plus all the stuff he can do on the side that he can't do in AEW like work the G1 again and do another Dome show |
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 19, 2022 18:22:14 GMT -5
WWE is about to reap what the last ten years of collecting, hoarding, misusing and mispromoting its indie-formed talents have sown. There is now a second major promotion with both the financial backing to sign top-tier talent, the humility to let the talents shine on their own, and the discipline to keep things fresh and yet cohesive. There are now multiple second-tier promotions willing to take the overfill and work with others to build all of them up. So many promotions, so many flavors, so much scope for a pro wrestler to earn a proper, comfortable living.
At this point, the only selling point Vince can offer prospective WWE superstars is money. While many current active wrestlers might be tempted to take the payday, they also see the direction WWE intends to go and realize that a) there may not be a place for them there, and b) the current creative bent of WWE and the "business decisions" they're making will likely make even the money less attractive, especially if WWE lowballs on their offers in future. Other wrestlers have either been burned by WWE or understand out the gate that WWE will not be a good fit for them, and would prefer to earn a dollar on their own terms rather than $10 on Vince's.
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Post by attitudeeraguy22 on Apr 19, 2022 18:25:44 GMT -5
I think he will be back. Cody Rhodes never thought he’d be back until it made sense. For Moxley, three years away might be enough time. What more can he go in AEW? There's plenty to do: - Never had his planned heel turn - Tag title run with Bryan - Feud with the likes of Punk and Hangman - Plus all the stuff he can do on the side that he can't do in AEW like work the G1 again and do another Dome show AEW will allow Moxley to do the indie stuff. That’s true. But AEW is also trying to promote and build up other main eventers. Punk will probably take the title off Hangman and then what? They’re building up MJF, Wardlow, Swerve, Keith, Guevara, and Malakai. I don’t think Mox is going to be a main eventer for quite awhile. Is the tag team with Bryan cool? Sure, but what’s the end game? A tag title reign? Is that truly better than going back to WWE for a potential feud with Roman or with Seth plus being back in the scene that Cody currently is? |
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Post by spagett on Apr 19, 2022 18:29:14 GMT -5
I think he will be back. Cody Rhodes never thought he’d be back until it made sense. For Moxley, three years away might be enough time. What more can he do in AEW?There's a ton left for him to do in AEW plus he can have dream matches in Japan and on the indies. What is there for him to do in WWE that he hasn't already done? Face tribal chief Roman Reigns? Is that it? He's feuded with everyone else in WWE, he's been a babyface, he had a horrible heel turn. He's already done about 6 Shield reunions. He's been WWE Champ, IC champ, Tag champ. Who's been elevated in WWE since he left that would be a fresh feud for him? Omos? Theory? There's more stuff left for him to do in AEW than there is in WWE. |
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Post by attitudeeraguy22 on Apr 19, 2022 18:31:42 GMT -5
If I knew whether/how/why/when/where someone would return to WWE, I'd also have the clairvoyance to have a PS5 right now. There's a ton left for him to do in AEW plus he can have dream matches in Japan and on the indies. What is there for him to do in WWE that he hasn't already done? Face tribal chief Roman Reigns? Is that it? He's feuded with everyone else in WWE, he's been a babyface, he had a horrible heel turn. He's already done about 6 Shield reunions. There's more stuff left for him to do in AEW than there is in WWE. Things to do in WWE: Return similar to Cody Rhodes fanfare A Shield reunion A feud with Tribal Chief character Roman and Seth Freakin Rollins. Two characters he’s never interacted with before. Feuds with guys who have come back or come up since he’s been gone. Think about a Moxley feud with Edge!!?? Haven’t seen that before. There’s also matches with guys like Theory, Riddle, and the NXT 2.0 up and comers. Win the Universal Title |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 19, 2022 18:34:52 GMT -5
There's a ton left for him to do in AEW plus he can have dream matches in Japan and on the indies. What is there for him to do in WWE that he hasn't already done? Face tribal chief Roman Reigns? Is that it? He's feuded with everyone else in WWE, he's been a babyface, he had a horrible heel turn. He's already done about 6 Shield reunions. There's more stuff left for him to do in AEW than there is in WWE. Things to do in WWE: Return similar to Cody Rhodes fanfare A Shield reunion A feud with Tribal Chief character Roman and Seth Freakin Rollins. Two characters he’s never interacted with before. Feuds with guys who have come back or come up since he’s been gone. Think about a Moxley feud with Edge!!?? Haven’t seen that before. There’s also matches with guys like Theory, Riddle, and the NXT 2.0 up and comers. Win the Universal Title It's Jon Moxley. He has a lot to do in both companies. I don't think there's a bad choice money wise and story wise. The issue with those feuds is how he's written what he'll have to do. Like he could come in for a feud with Roman but then have to do a lame countout finish by week three. Both choices have merits but I think the idea that one is significantly better than the other is untrue. |
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