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Post by spagett on Apr 19, 2022 18:35:14 GMT -5
There's a ton left for him to do in AEW plus he can have dream matches in Japan and on the indies. What is there for him to do in WWE that he hasn't already done? Face tribal chief Roman Reigns? Is that it? He's feuded with everyone else in WWE, he's been a babyface, he had a horrible heel turn. He's already done about 6 Shield reunions. There's more stuff left for him to do in AEW than there is in WWE. Things to do in WWE: Return similar to Cody Rhodes fanfare A Shield reunion A feud with Tribal Chief character Roman and Seth Freakin Rollins. Two characters he’s never interacted with before. Feuds with guys who have come back or come up since he’s been gone. Think about a Moxley feud with Edge!!?? Haven’t seen that before. There’s also matches with guys like Theory, Riddle, and the NXT 2.0 up and comers. Win the Universal Title He's already done a ton of Shield reunions. He's feuded with Rollins over and over, with him as the face and Rollins as the heel, with him as the heel and Rollins as the face. Not much fresh there. I don't see much difference with this Rollins and say the 2015 heel Rollins except he wears colourful suits now. It's not like its the difference between Papa Shango and The Godfather is it? I don't think a feud with Austin Theory or Von Wagner would be that tempting. The only big thing for him to do would be feud with Roman Reigns. But once he's done that, and lost, then what?
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2022 18:36:42 GMT -5
I still think a return is a couple of years away, if it does happen. By last year, Moxley was already saying in interviews “never say never” and "I'd be open to an idea. I don't not like money. I got a kid on the way and gotta put it through college so ya know. I would take a phone call, but I highly doubt anything would materialize.” So he definitely seemed to soften on his stance, at least somewhat, two years removed from his departure.
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Post by attitudeeraguy22 on Apr 19, 2022 18:41:55 GMT -5
Things to do in WWE: Return similar to Cody Rhodes fanfare A Shield reunion A feud with Tribal Chief character Roman and Seth Freakin Rollins. Two characters he’s never interacted with before. Feuds with guys who have come back or come up since he’s been gone. Think about a Moxley feud with Edge!!?? Haven’t seen that before. There’s also matches with guys like Theory, Riddle, and the NXT 2.0 up and comers. Win the Universal Title It's Jon Moxley. He has a lot to do in both companies. I don't think there's a bad choice money wise and story wise. The issue with those feuds is how he's written what he'll have to do. Like he could come in for a feud with Roman but then have to do a lame countout finish by week three. Both choices have merits but I think the idea that one is significantly better than the other is untrue. WWE is the be all end all at the end of day. It doesn’t matter how many Fed bads you hear. Everyone will want that WrestleMania moment and reaction. Everyone will want an HOF induction. Everyone will want that mainstream publicity that WWE can give. Everyone will love those contracts Vince and Nick throw out there. It’s the biggest stage and always will be for the rest of Moxley’s career, which probably doesn’t have too much longer. Going back and finishing strong for a few nice feuds, a title win, and a Shield reunion is a better storybook ending than anything he gets anywhere else. Cody Rhodes is proving that right now. He left as Stardust and is now back as himself and getting the rocket push. He’s getting bigger and better press in three weeks than he did in three years. Moxley may have been burnt out towards the end, but if Stardust can come back around, Ambrose definitely can too.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Apr 19, 2022 18:44:03 GMT -5
He'd be insane to come back while it still sucks and is still ran by the same dogshit brained ass men at the top. Everything he's doing in AEW and the indies has been so much more interesting than anything he could have been doing on WWE TV. To see the guy succeeding outside of WWE's presentation and all the bells, whistles and quirks that stuff comes with has been really refreshing and I want to see him doing everything he does. Anybody doing close to whatever you'd decribe as well in WWE is still in the nightmare worrld of their TV and presentation and it's gotten really boring. He'd be on top whenever he came back but seeing the people on top now the idea of that wouldn't excite me. If he's going to come back it'd be exciting if it was a better product but nobody seems to be able to transcend that despite all the talent.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 19, 2022 20:32:57 GMT -5
I'm very confused by all of this speculation. (This isn't the first place where I read of such speculation.) Also read that WWE is interested in the Revival which wouldn't be good for any party. What's with all of this talk of people jumping from AEW back to WWE? Most people left WWE to AEW because of the difference in creative and it being a better fit? Is this all for leverage to twist Tony Khan's arm? Or are cracks starting to form where Khan is getting to big for his own britches?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 19, 2022 20:41:46 GMT -5
I'm very confused by all of this speculation. (This isn't the first place where I read of such speculation.) Also read that WWE is interested in the Revival which wouldn't be good for any party. What's with all of this talk of people jumping from AEW back to WWE? Most people left WWE to AEW because of the difference in creative and it being a better fit? Is this all for leverage to twist Tony Khan's arm? Or are cracks starting to form where Khan is getting to big for his own britches? It's mostly baseless speculation. Cody jumped unexpectedly and now people think everyone's going to do it regardless of how different the circumstances are.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 19, 2022 20:58:12 GMT -5
It's worth noting that as far as CM Punk saying the offer was there if WWE made the right deal, WWE never made the right deal. They didn't try. Fox got them into the same room and WWE did nothing. There was no swallowing of pride, no "Let's be bigger", no moment where they tried to make him a compelling offer because reportedly they didn't really make any offer at all. They weren't willing to talk things out and they weren't trying to meet any demands. Are they going to do that for Moxley? Could they do that for Moxley? I have my doubts. Cody set out on a six year journey solely to build himself up enough to call his shot, but he did not have the same obstacles to jump over. Not even close. Everything in the world set Cody up for a cushy deal and a push that's meant to prove a point. But there's some talents who WWE burned, and a lot of mending is going to need to be done to those bridges. So far, WWE has not seemed like it cares about mending shit, frankly.
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Post by evilhomer on Apr 19, 2022 21:16:09 GMT -5
I can't see him coming back given how toxic he considered the environment, but hypothetically, there is no chance WWE lets him come back with a non-WWE owned and created name.
The real question is will it be Dean Ambrose lunatic fringe who (in my opinion) never really looked like a top guy. Or will it be unscripted violence Jon Moxley who looks like a big deal just by the way he carries himself to the ring and then how he handles himself in it. Will it be Dean Ambrose, the guy who was Brock Lesnar's bitch, or Jon Moxley, the guy that you believe can kick Brock Lesnar's ass?
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Post by fw91 on Apr 19, 2022 21:18:55 GMT -5
It's worth noting that as far as CM Punk saying the offer was there if WWE made the right deal, WWE never made the right deal. They didn't try. Fox got them into the same room and WWE did nothing. There was no swallowing of pride, no "Let's be bigger", no moment where they tried to make him a compelling offer because reportedly they didn't really make any offer at all. They weren't willing to talk things out and they weren't trying to meet any demands. Are they going to do that for Moxley? Could they do that for Moxley? I have my doubts. Cody set out on a six year journey solely to build himself up enough to call his shot, but he did not have the same obstacles to jump over. Not even close. Everything in the world set Cody up for a cushy deal and a push that's meant to prove a point. But there's some talents who WWE burned, and a lot of mending is going to need to be done to those bridges. So far, WWE has not seemed like it cares about mending shit, frankly. Well I don't think Moxley and Punk are in the same boat. Punk had personal beef, and after his UFC fiasco, WWE probably thought they really don't need him. Remember WWE didn't seem to really care that Punk was going to AEW. They were more concerned with losing Bryan.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 19, 2022 21:25:32 GMT -5
It's worth noting that as far as CM Punk saying the offer was there if WWE made the right deal, WWE never made the right deal. They didn't try. Fox got them into the same room and WWE did nothing. There was no swallowing of pride, no "Let's be bigger", no moment where they tried to make him a compelling offer because reportedly they didn't really make any offer at all. They weren't willing to talk things out and they weren't trying to meet any demands. Are they going to do that for Moxley? Could they do that for Moxley? I have my doubts. Cody set out on a six year journey solely to build himself up enough to call his shot, but he did not have the same obstacles to jump over. Not even close. Everything in the world set Cody up for a cushy deal and a push that's meant to prove a point. But there's some talents who WWE burned, and a lot of mending is going to need to be done to those bridges. So far, WWE has not seemed like it cares about mending shit, frankly. Well I don't think Moxley and Punk are in the same boat. Punk had personal beef, and after his UFC fiasco, WWE probably thought they really don't need him. Remember WWE didn't seem to really care that Punk was going to AEW. They were more concerned with losing Bryan. I bring up Punk because Punk's been brought up earlier in the thread, but I don't think there's as much different between them as you'd think. Both had big issues with creative and were fundamentally unhappy to a point that it hurt their love of wrestling. One needed to wash his hands of it entirely, the other moved on to greener pastures, but both had wives who remained employed in WWE, and in some way some kidn of f***ed up stuff happened later, between firing papers on Punk's wedding day and the stuff they hit Renee with. Because yeah it's worth bringing up again that Renee got heat for saying she had COVID and then got cut and left with a one-year no-compete clause locking her down to do nothing. Whatever value WWE didn't think Punk had, that's kind of my point. I don't need to be reminded WWE didn't care; my whole point is WWE didn't care. Fixing that was too much work, and work they didn't care to put in. It'd take work to get Punk back. From how Moxley sounded about his run? I think it'd take work to get him back. I don't think WWE as it is right now cares to put in that effort.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 19, 2022 21:30:19 GMT -5
I can't see him coming back given how toxic he considered the environment, but hypothetically, there is no chance WWE lets him come back with a non-WWE owned and created name. The real question is will it be Dean Ambrose lunatic fringe who (in my opinion) never really looked like a top guy. Or will it be unscripted violence Jon Moxley who looks like a big deal just by the way he carries himself to the ring and then how he handles himself in it. Will it be Dean Ambrose, the guy who was Brock Lesnar's bitch, or Jon Moxley, the guy that you believe can kick Brock Lesnar's ass? Mox would almost certainly want to come back as Moxley, but more than likely, WWE would want him to come back as the WWE Creation, the Lunatic Fringe.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 19, 2022 22:58:47 GMT -5
It's worth noting that as far as CM Punk saying the offer was there if WWE made the right deal, WWE never made the right deal. They didn't try. Fox got them into the same room and WWE did nothing. There was no swallowing of pride, no "Let's be bigger", no moment where they tried to make him a compelling offer because reportedly they didn't really make any offer at all. They weren't willing to talk things out and they weren't trying to meet any demands. Are they going to do that for Moxley? Could they do that for Moxley? I have my doubts. Cody set out on a six year journey solely to build himself up enough to call his shot, but he did not have the same obstacles to jump over. Not even close. Everything in the world set Cody up for a cushy deal and a push that's meant to prove a point. But there's some talents who WWE burned, and a lot of mending is going to need to be done to those bridges. So far, WWE has not seemed like it cares about mending shit, frankly. Punk was burned by WWE on the way out, walked out mid contract, had injury/medical issues with the company, received his termination papers on his wedding day, and was in a lawsuit with the company. Moxley was unhappy with his creative and the creative/production process of the company. They’re not really comparable in terms of the level of burned bridges. I mean 2 years after leaving Moxley was already saying he wouldn’t rule out a comeback if the terms were right. Punk took a lot longer to get to that point but ultimately did. Mox seemed more burned out in the way Jericho was burned out and left the company the first time . Also, Renee left on her own. She wasn’t cut.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 20, 2022 2:25:42 GMT -5
I can't see him ever making the jump but if he did I don't think it's totally unreasonable for WWE to expect him to use the name he used there. Although I like the sound of Dean Moxley Ambrose.
I imagine a lot of guys, especially those who have already been in WWE, will be keeping a close eye on how it goes with Cody.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 2:35:16 GMT -5
Up to him. If he comes back he is going to have a degree of creative control. That's why the Cody deal was a double edged sword for Vince. Yeah, it got him Cody (who would have probably turned it down had his contract expiring coincided with a period of contentment in AEW) but it means that whatever is in that contract is going to be the bare minimum that anyone from MJF upwards on the AEW card will ask for.
Time will tell how much CC Cody has in his contract, I suspect its just a veto clause in case they try to put him in a costume and facepaint again.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 20, 2022 8:13:42 GMT -5
It's worth noting that as far as CM Punk saying the offer was there if WWE made the right deal, WWE never made the right deal. They didn't try. Fox got them into the same room and WWE did nothing. There was no swallowing of pride, no "Let's be bigger", no moment where they tried to make him a compelling offer because reportedly they didn't really make any offer at all. They weren't willing to talk things out and they weren't trying to meet any demands. Are they going to do that for Moxley? Could they do that for Moxley? I have my doubts. Cody set out on a six year journey solely to build himself up enough to call his shot, but he did not have the same obstacles to jump over. Not even close. Everything in the world set Cody up for a cushy deal and a push that's meant to prove a point. But there's some talents who WWE burned, and a lot of mending is going to need to be done to those bridges. So far, WWE has not seemed like it cares about mending shit, frankly. There is a lot more bad blood between Vince/Triple H and Punk than there is between Mox & those two. Vince has always been about if sees money, then he'll do business. With Mox, there is money to be made and saying "I messed up your booking" is a lot easier than dealing with all of Punk's issues.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 20, 2022 9:59:41 GMT -5
He probably will jump back at some point. But not anytime soon.
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Post by evilhomer on Apr 20, 2022 21:37:29 GMT -5
I can't see him coming back given how toxic he considered the environment, but hypothetically, there is no chance WWE lets him come back with a non-WWE owned and created name. The real question is will it be Dean Ambrose lunatic fringe who (in my opinion) never really looked like a top guy. Or will it be unscripted violence Jon Moxley who looks like a big deal just by the way he carries himself to the ring and then how he handles himself in it. Will it be Dean Ambrose, the guy who was Brock Lesnar's bitch, or Jon Moxley, the guy that you believe can kick Brock Lesnar's ass? Mox would almost certainly want to come back as Moxley, but more than likely, WWE would want him to come back as the WWE Creation, the Lunatic Fringe. I mean will he be the wacky slightly unhinged but not so much guy that never really showed what he was all about or the sociopath that can and will beat the ever loving shit out of anyone and anything that gets in his way.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 20, 2022 22:56:15 GMT -5
If Mox came to the negotiation table, the second they said, "So you're gonna push a hot dog cart down to the ring and scream 'Ask me about my wieners'" he'd be out of there.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 21, 2022 0:12:11 GMT -5
If Mox came to the negotiation table, the second they said, "So you're gonna push a hot dog cart down to the ring and scream 'Ask me about my wieners'" he'd be out of there. I think they will take Mox more seriously this time around. He might still be called Dean Ambrose, but I think he will get the Cody/AJ/Drew/Lashley treatment. Now Dean was bigger than Drew/Lashley/Cody when he left vs when they left but he went out and became and even BIGGER star. I think Vince respects that.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 21, 2022 6:09:00 GMT -5
If Mox came to the negotiation table, the second they said, "So you're gonna push a hot dog cart down to the ring and scream 'Ask me about my wieners'" he'd be out of there. I think they will take Mox more seriously this time around. He might still be called Dean Ambrose, but I think he will get the Cody/AJ/Drew/Lashley treatment. Now Dean was bigger than Drew/Lashley/Cody when he left vs when they left but he went out and became and even BIGGER star. I think Vince respects that. Yeah, I think his character would be his current character but he would be called Dean Ambrose still.
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