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Post by lucas_lee on May 8, 2022 17:31:41 GMT -5
If you want to know about weirdly toxic and defensive fans, try opening up a OTT competitor in Ireland with the ability to pay talent more than they were anywhere else and you’d even get the people in that promotion itself being toxic turds about it. I think I'm the only one who got this refrence. Is the fanbase that bad over there in Ireland?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 8, 2022 17:38:31 GMT -5
If you want to know about weirdly toxic and defensive fans, try opening up a OTT competitor in Ireland with the ability to pay talent more than they were anywhere else and you’d even get the people in that promotion itself being toxic turds about it. I think I'm the only one who got this refrence. Is the fanbase that bad over there in Ireland? Like, they’re not awful but there was a lot of BS during SpeakingOut with proxy accounts and the such. Just awful shit from people who should know better. It was just funny how the moment a competitor came about just how weirdly protective people got. The main commentator for OTT basically said “F*** Courage” with no real reason to do so.
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Post by oxbaker on May 8, 2022 19:43:36 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one who got this refrence. Is the fanbase that bad over there in Ireland? Like, they’re not awful but there was a lot of BS during SpeakingOut with proxy accounts and the such. Just awful shit from people who should know better. It was just funny how the moment a competitor came about just how weirdly protective people got. The main commentator for OTT basically said “F*** Courage” with no real reason to do so. Can you give us an ELI5 version of this — just a simple explanation of what this is about, because I have no idea.
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Post by Teemu on May 9, 2022 6:57:11 GMT -5
We sort of had this discussion not long ago on the AEW board. I think AEW being good and WWE being bad is basically seen as the default 'correct' opinion, which leads to there being a whiff of double standards (people posting about the WWE in a way that would see them warned or banned if they did the same for AEW). Yea, I personally don't post on the AEW section much at all because it's not perfectly clear to me what is allowed and what isn't. With AEW, there's always the thought of "Gosh, I hope this isn't against the rules" when you're critical. Because even if you post within the rules, you can always be accused of bad faith trolling because you didn't like Dynamite. The WWE section is always more chill everywhere because you can say whatever you want. AEW is just not there yet. In time, maybe it will be. The honeymoon is starting to be over, slowly but surely, and you see more people voicing critical opinions of it as of late. It's just kind of an underground movement, still.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2022 17:00:59 GMT -5
We sort of had this discussion not long ago on the AEW board. I think AEW being good and WWE being bad is basically seen as the default 'correct' opinion, which leads to there being a whiff of double standards (people posting about the WWE in a way that would see them warned or banned if they did the same for AEW). Yea, I personally don't post on the AEW section much at all because it's not perfectly clear to me what is allowed and what isn't. With AEW, there's always the thought of "Gosh, I hope this isn't against the rules" when you're critical. Because even if you post within the rules, you can always be accused of bad faith trolling because you didn't like Dynamite. The WWE section is always more chill everywhere because you can say whatever you want. AEW is just not there yet. In time, maybe it will be. The honeymoon is starting to be over, slowly but surely, and you see more people voicing critical opinions of it as of late. It's just kind of an underground movement, still. I'm not gonna make this a huge thing in this thread but since the AEW Board keeps being brought up in some weird light: People have always been critical of AEW on that Board, this isn't some "underground movement", it's always been there, I was there when the Board started, and it's never been an issue to voice your displeasure and your opinions, ever. When people grandstand and make extreme hyperbole and outright ridiculous statements, or pop into threads just to be negative and dip and add nothing to conversations, just like here in the WWE section, people counter their statements or challenge them. This goes for both overly negative and overly defensive individuals. To me it has always and I mean always been clear what's allowed and what isn't, and the AEW section doesn't get in a tizzy because someone "doesn't like Dynamite" ever, it's kind of annoying that people almost seem to be "waiting" to shit on AEW or something like more negativity is somehow a good thing. It's really not, and it's a flat out lie that AEW criticism's some outlaw there. The AEW Section can be very chill, and the rules aren't really any different at all from here, but that board has been bombarded with bad faith and trolling in the past, the WWE Board has had much less of that, AEW's a new company, this happens, and it's annoying when people pass that off as "Oh well I guess you can't be negative at all" that's not the case, never has been the case.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 9, 2022 17:24:12 GMT -5
Yea, I personally don't post on the AEW section much at all because it's not perfectly clear to me what is allowed and what isn't. With AEW, there's always the thought of "Gosh, I hope this isn't against the rules" when you're critical. Because even if you post within the rules, you can always be accused of bad faith trolling because you didn't like Dynamite. The WWE section is always more chill everywhere because you can say whatever you want. AEW is just not there yet. In time, maybe it will be. The honeymoon is starting to be over, slowly but surely, and you see more people voicing critical opinions of it as of late. It's just kind of an underground movement, still. I'm not gonna make this a huge thing in this thread but since the AEW Board keeps being brought up in some weird light: People have always been critical of AEW on that Board, this isn't some "underground movement", it's always been there, I was there when the Board started, and it's never been an issue to voice your displeasure and your opinions, ever. When people grandstand and make extreme hyperbole and outright ridiculous statements, or pop into threads just to be negative and dip and add nothing to conversations, just like here in the WWE section, people counter their statements or challenge them. This goes for both overly negative and overly defensive individuals. To me it has always and I mean always been clear what's allowed and what isn't, and the AEW section doesn't get in a tizzy because someone "doesn't like Dynamite" ever, it's kind of annoying that people almost seem to be "waiting" to shit on AEW or something like more negativity is somehow a good thing. It's really not, and it's a flat out lie that AEW criticism's some outlaw there. The AEW Section can be very chill, and the rules aren't really any different at all from here, but that board has been bombarded with bad faith and trolling in the past, the WWE Board has had much less of that, AEW's a new company, this happens, and it's annoying when people pass that off as "Oh well I guess you can't be negative at all" that's not the case, never has been the case. I’d have to disagree, there’s definitely a different tone/reception when it comes to criticism on the AEW board. I’m not a troll or someone that posts in bad faith, and I don’t tend for hyperbole either, and I would sometimes still get a cold reception/called a concern troll for my posts in that section.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2022 17:42:28 GMT -5
I'm not gonna make this a huge thing in this thread but since the AEW Board keeps being brought up in some weird light: People have always been critical of AEW on that Board, this isn't some "underground movement", it's always been there, I was there when the Board started, and it's never been an issue to voice your displeasure and your opinions, ever. When people grandstand and make extreme hyperbole and outright ridiculous statements, or pop into threads just to be negative and dip and add nothing to conversations, just like here in the WWE section, people counter their statements or challenge them. This goes for both overly negative and overly defensive individuals. To me it has always and I mean always been clear what's allowed and what isn't, and the AEW section doesn't get in a tizzy because someone "doesn't like Dynamite" ever, it's kind of annoying that people almost seem to be "waiting" to shit on AEW or something like more negativity is somehow a good thing. It's really not, and it's a flat out lie that AEW criticism's some outlaw there. The AEW Section can be very chill, and the rules aren't really any different at all from here, but that board has been bombarded with bad faith and trolling in the past, the WWE Board has had much less of that, AEW's a new company, this happens, and it's annoying when people pass that off as "Oh well I guess you can't be negative at all" that's not the case, never has been the case. I’d have to disagree, there’s definitely a different tone/reception when it comes to criticism on the AEW board. I’m not a troll or someone that posts in bad faith, and I don’t tend for hyperbole either, and I would sometimes still get a cold reception/called a concern troll for my posts in that section. You aren't a concern troll, but you're a devil's advocate sometimes, and that's gonna get you reaction either way. You get that in the WWE section too. You aren't wrong for your stances either just to be clear, but this isn't some AEW Board exclusive thing, and I don't exactly see you getting received coldly for many your takes at all, you have them and express them like anyone else Some people gotta understand people have been burned in that section. They've gone through shit that the WWE Board never really did go through because well, WWE's existed before FAN ever did. A new company with new fans will make a new breed of troll and new ways to try and jab at them, and it can muddy the waters of legit criticism. But this has cooled off in recent times imo, a lot of stuffs been talked out even with people who felt at odds with one another over misunderstandings or bluntness. But has AEW's Board been outright cold to criticism? Can't say that, we've had a ton of negative opinion threads and a lot of them have disagreement but go on and there isn't really much issue these days especially. There are good takes, bad takes, crazy takes, good people, etc, just like any part of this section tbh.
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Post by Malcolm on May 9, 2022 17:46:27 GMT -5
For all the failings and toxicity of the AEW board, let's not pretend that the WWE section is all roses and kumbaya.
The Raw threads alone are proof of that.
Makes me straight up hate wrestling, sometimes.
It also makes me really miss the TNA board.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 9, 2022 17:48:23 GMT -5
Yea, I personally don't post on the AEW section much at all because it's not perfectly clear to me what is allowed and what isn't. With AEW, there's always the thought of "Gosh, I hope this isn't against the rules" when you're critical. Because even if you post within the rules, you can always be accused of bad faith trolling because you didn't like Dynamite. The WWE section is always more chill everywhere because you can say whatever you want. AEW is just not there yet. In time, maybe it will be. The honeymoon is starting to be over, slowly but surely, and you see more people voicing critical opinions of it as of late. It's just kind of an underground movement, still. I'm not gonna make this a huge thing in this thread but since the AEW Board keeps being brought up in some weird light: People have always been critical of AEW on that Board, this isn't some "underground movement", it's always been there, I was there when the Board started, and it's never been an issue to voice your displeasure and your opinions, ever. When people grandstand and make extreme hyperbole and outright ridiculous statements, or pop into threads just to be negative and dip and add nothing to conversations, just like here in the WWE section, people counter their statements or challenge them. This goes for both overly negative and overly defensive individuals. To me it has always and I mean always been clear what's allowed and what isn't, and the AEW section doesn't get in a tizzy because someone "doesn't like Dynamite" ever, it's kind of annoying that people almost seem to be "waiting" to shit on AEW or something like more negativity is somehow a good thing. It's really not, and it's a flat out lie that AEW criticism's some outlaw there. The AEW Section can be very chill, and the rules aren't really any different at all from here, but that board has been bombarded with bad faith and trolling in the past, the WWE Board has had much less of that, AEW's a new company, this happens, and it's annoying when people pass that off as "Oh well I guess you can't be negative at all" that's not the case, never has been the case. I am not trying to attack you but to be honest, I feel like you're one of the main posters that sometimes make the AEW board uncomfortable to post in.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2022 17:53:02 GMT -5
I'm not gonna make this a huge thing in this thread but since the AEW Board keeps being brought up in some weird light: People have always been critical of AEW on that Board, this isn't some "underground movement", it's always been there, I was there when the Board started, and it's never been an issue to voice your displeasure and your opinions, ever. When people grandstand and make extreme hyperbole and outright ridiculous statements, or pop into threads just to be negative and dip and add nothing to conversations, just like here in the WWE section, people counter their statements or challenge them. This goes for both overly negative and overly defensive individuals. To me it has always and I mean always been clear what's allowed and what isn't, and the AEW section doesn't get in a tizzy because someone "doesn't like Dynamite" ever, it's kind of annoying that people almost seem to be "waiting" to shit on AEW or something like more negativity is somehow a good thing. It's really not, and it's a flat out lie that AEW criticism's some outlaw there. The AEW Section can be very chill, and the rules aren't really any different at all from here, but that board has been bombarded with bad faith and trolling in the past, the WWE Board has had much less of that, AEW's a new company, this happens, and it's annoying when people pass that off as "Oh well I guess you can't be negative at all" that's not the case, never has been the case. I am not trying to attack you but to be honest, I feel like you're one of the main posters that sometimes make the AEW board uncomfortable to post in. I already was up front about this in an AEW Thread and have already apologized if I ever made anyone uncomfortable in posting there. I'm not perfect nor am I blind to my flaws. If I was a main reason, I don't know, but I'm moving past it because that's not what I signed up for when I joined this Proboard. So I won't really bring that up here again and if you want to read that post, I'll put it here. officialfan.proboards.com/post/16552015/threadThat being said, this is really not the thread for this, and it's why I said I didn't want to make it a thing. So it's probably best we move on with all this being said.
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Post by The Ichi on May 10, 2022 10:54:57 GMT -5
I've been attacked for my opinion in the AEW board exactly once, and it was from a poster that (I could be wrong on this) had to be banned for being too aggressively defensive. I'm just going to say that if you feel you "can't" post your views there safely, then the problem is with how you word them and leave it at that.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 10, 2022 11:15:10 GMT -5
I've been attacked for my opinion in the AEW board exactly once, and it was from a poster that (I could be wrong on this) had to be banned for being too aggressively defensive. I'm just going to say that if you feel you "can't" post your views there safely, then the problem is with how you word them and leave it at that. You can't say anything negative about AEW unless you're complaining about the overall booking of the women's division, stories taking a while to get moving, Britt Baker's booking specifically, stories having a weird middle dip in them, Tony Khan being a git to Big Swole on twitter, House of Black being lame, Hangman feeling like a second stringer to other guys, BCC taking a while to get moving, the number of stories currently in a holding pattern, Cody Rhodes's booking, Dan Lambert's sexism for heat getting pops, whatever the hell Sammy and Tay are doing, Satnam Singh's arrival being lame, reDragon suddenly getting mega TV time, "shiny new toy" booking, stories that drag on too long, a lack of integration of the Youtube shows into the main product visibility-wise, the number of talents who seem to live on the Youtube shows and never see the light of day, Jungle Boy's mic skills, the occasional train wreck segment, diversity at the top of the card, the way they won't do anything of substance with the Dark Order, a lack of effort to establish Danhausen to its audience...
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Post by Malcolm on May 10, 2022 11:39:02 GMT -5
Is . Is this thread still about investors?
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Post by Venti on May 10, 2022 11:43:09 GMT -5
Is . Is this thread still about investors? I'm invested
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 10, 2022 11:49:32 GMT -5
If it's inappropriate of me to be jumping in on this to echo others/offer my thoughts I apologise, but this thread touched on something I've been feeling for a long time now so wanted to chip in. Everything I say is just my personal opinions & experiences and I'm in no way trying to present myself as a monolith or speak for anyone else.
I've been on this forum for a damn long time, too long honestly, and in the IWC even longer. I remember this place when it was part of WrestleCrap, John Tenta had a board (Hadn't actually joined yet but I hung around), and there was a thriving traditional e-fed here (and tons of those characters still live rent-free in my head). It's changed, but of course it has- cultures, communities and forums are bound to change in that time.
The IWC certainly has a history of toxicity, once it was generally a much less openminded or tolerant place, certainly less welcoming to women or LGBT fans, and flaming and trolling was common. This place always felt better than that for the most part, except for some of the thirst threads the worst you tended to get here was off-colour humour which probably hasn't aged well by current sensibilities. I don't remember ever participating in the Diva lusting to the same degree as some (although who knows, I've been here long enough to date back to my teen years), possibly made some jokes which wouldn't fly today, but in general it never struck me as an overwhelming characteristic of this board like some other forums which is probably why I gravitated here. But I'd say that pre-2007 or so, you got a lot of that in the IWC.
From around 2008 to 2011, I noticed a definite shift, and this forum was I'd say the best wrestling forum on the internet then- aside from a couple of incidents/posters it was in my experience generally an offbeat, witty, but welcoming place where you could praise & criticise in equal measure and everyone got along with everyone. Not trying to say this is the definitive opinion on this forum- I was never exactly a 'known poster' like some on here then or still now, just my experience from when I was most active.
I think a lot of problems that I observe now are more a reflection of / reflected in general culture getting increasingly polarised and antagonistic, I can pick all sorts of culprits from social media to world events to politics but things began to grow more hostile in general online around 2011-13. This forum took a litle longer to change in my experience, but my life was pretty busy around that period so I wasn't around much. I feel like things starting to grow a little hostile here around 2014- during the Punk walkout, Daniel Bryan rise etc. But also in honesty there's blankspots where it's hard for me to say because again I wasn't around here much, and when I haven't liked wrestling, I haven't watched it. In 2004-06 I mostly watched TNA, ROH and NOAH, or classic ECW. In 2007 I mostly watched CHIKARA until late in the year when I got back into WWE for a good run. I can't understand the masochistic hate-watching mentality.
From around 2016-17 pretty much everywhere online was toxic and here felt like not much exception- it definitely began to feel to me like you couldn't like WWE without being subject to criticism (even if I wasn't much of a fan myself). There were probably elements of this beforehand- I'm sure John Cena fans had it rough online including here- and it's possible I (unintentionally) made others feel that way with my own criticisms of the product, but it started to get much more widespread in my experience from 2016 or so.
I was so pumped when AEW launched- I'd been mainly a NJPW fan for a couple of years and a company hitting the sweetspot between NJPW and WWE seemed ideal. I didn't post tons but was real excited. But I lost interest much quicker than I expected, and then the pandemic pretty much killed any interest I had in watching current wrestling until the situation began to resolve- wrestling without a live crowd was just awkward and painful to me, no amount of staff members, trainees or videoscreens could make up for the lost vibe. Now I'm watching again and more than in years, I'm probably the most solid casual fan I've been in a long time.
What I did notice though, even before the sheen wore off for me on AEW, was a continuation in this changed posting culture. There was very definitely a sense to me that criticising AEW was, while not off-limits, heavily discouraged and likely to open you up to a lot of flak, and that saying positives about WWE had the same response. Even though I was around this place more I was watching what I said more. It felt very reminiscent of the toxicity of a much older IWC except with different targets now, and wasn't something I was inclined to deal with as it's always put me off of wrestling. In much the same way as I used to love Rick & Morty but its fanbase made the product age quicker than it should for me, I think similar happened with AEW- the defensiveness and polarisation put me off of it, and particularly put me off considering myself an 'AEW fan'. I'd definitely not agree with the idea that it's a few isolated accounts or WWE fans larping, and I'd also not agree that (in my personal experience) I've seen it occur on the same scale from WWE fans- yes you get some sites or subreddits where people are waiting for AEW to put a foot wrong so they can spam and troll, and I suspect there's also people either seeing it as, or taking the excuse to, return fire and harp on negatives to 'get one back' or whatever. But I'd be lying if I said that I feel much more pressured to bite my tongue/be wary of offering criticism of WWE than criticism of AEW- or vice versa, I'd be significantly more comfortable praising AEW than WWE. And it's definitely not a mentality that has always been present here- back when TNA was on fire and WWE was in most people's eyes including my own, stuck in 'Cena Wins Lol', there was not this level of polarisation or hostility that I saw. Or at least, I didn't experience or percieve it- perhaps because as someone who was critical of WWE a lot then, I was more in line with that consensus opinion (although there's still plenty about WWE I don't like, hell if we were talking personal booking preferences Cesaro would have had the Roman push and William Regal & Paul Burchill would have been the top guys for years). But I can only go off my own best judged experience which is that if you praise WWE, or even just DON'T criticise WWE, you're in for a rougher time now than you used to be. And criticising AEW gets you a rougher ride than any previous criticisms did. Truth be told there's a shortlist of posters on here who put me off of ever commenting at all, which wasn't a feeling I used to have. I'd also be lying if I said I didn't miss large elements of the 2008-11 board culture, I'm sure there were things worse about it then than now (again, the acceptance of female/LGBT/ethnic minority fans was almost certainly worse), but on a whole, I miss the WCF/FAN of old, it felt a much more open and fun place (to me at least) and IMO there's not a ton of authentic fun left here beyond the annual Year in MSPaint threads.
As for the topic at hand ie. the investor call, again I can only go off my own experiences, but I know significantly more people nowadays willing to casually watch or chat wrestling than at any point in at least the past 15 years. Maybe it's a cultural shift towards being more open with geek culture (which wrestling has undoubtedly become), maybe it's a generational attitude in some way, maybe wrestling actually IS getting more popular again I don't know. All I do know is I wouldn't dismiss any positive metrics in this call, because the past few years, even with the pandemic, is the first time in a long time I've been encountering NEW fans myself. I'm sure hardcore fandom is down, that there's fewer people watching every show or every week, buying every PPV, buying as much merchandise. But honestly? I can well believe that casual fandom has risen because I've found new fans, and not in or because of AEW- these casual viewers in my experience generally prefer WWE, or at least prefer WWE's characters and presentation, even if they might prefer AEW's in-ring product. Maybe some of that perception is because I'm a more casual fan myself now, but I find WWE more accessible for sporadic viewing, and much better for social viewing, while AEW I'm left feeling lost if I miss a couple weeks and it feels generally more geared towards hardcore viewing- which is easier done solo. Just a personal experience again, and not saying I don't have faults with WWE- there's plenty I'd like to see different. But I still want WWE (and AEW) to do well and can believe that they are.
So many conventional metrics of entertainment success have changed these days, no property or product inspires the same universal appeal as once happened due to sheer accessibility and variety in options- there will never be another Beatles or Star Wars, to be more contemporary there'll probably never even be another Lady Gaga or Hunger Games. So you either cultivate a fanatical, rabid fanbase willing to pour lots of money, time, and enthusiasm into your product- to make them want your business to succeed for its own sake, taking on aspects of it into your identity & cultivatng brand loyalty (which is what I believe a lot of 'ethical marketing' is really about, Steph's cynical old comment on philanthropy comes to mind). Or you try to maximise the semi-disposable casual appeal and get a high volume of small investments dropping in and out, almost like scaled up microtransactions. AEW is taking one approach, WWE is taking another. If both do well, this is good for wrestling in general. So regardless of if someone likes AEW or WWE or thinks Tony Khan is a weirdo or Vince McMahon is a monster, regardless of taking on those identities to themselves- we should all be wanting BOTH companies to do well, whether they're catering to us personally or not (and in my case I'd say neither completely fits what I'd ideally want). A plurality of views, visions, and options is only good for the industry, and for the fandom too.
This isn't to say that everything has gotten worse in the fandom either, there's been positive changes. I get the impression that attitudes and acceptance towards minority fans & wrestlers whether that be gender, sexuality, race/ethnicity, religion, etc. have improved on the whole, although there's sure to be fans still stuck in backwards mindsets. But there's also new stuff I've seen/experienced in online fans' attitudes, including here, that is not healthy, or if not new is at the very least, different yet reminiscent of old hostility that for a time seemed to subside a litle. And it's fine to want WWE to succeed, or believe that they are successful, or even to like the product, without it meaning you endorse anything along the lines of Saudi Arabia etc. (and I'll leave that there to avoid breaching the no-politics rule). And I'm not trying to say this is everyone's experience or observation, just mine. Maybe I'm just a grumpy, out of touch IWC oldtimer I don't know. But I've said my piece to get a frustration off my chest, and that's that.
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Post by oxbaker on May 10, 2022 11:53:42 GMT -5
Yea, I personally don't post on the AEW section much at all because it's not perfectly clear to me what is allowed and what isn't. With AEW, there's always the thought of "Gosh, I hope this isn't against the rules" when you're critical. Because even if you post within the rules, you can always be accused of bad faith trolling because you didn't like Dynamite. The WWE section is always more chill everywhere because you can say whatever you want. AEW is just not there yet. In time, maybe it will be. The honeymoon is starting to be over, slowly but surely, and you see more people voicing critical opinions of it as of late. It's just kind of an underground movement, still. I'm not gonna make this a huge thing in this thread but since the AEW Board keeps being brought up in some weird light: People have always been critical of AEW on that Board, this isn't some "underground movement", it's always been there, I was there when the Board started, and it's never been an issue to voice your displeasure and your opinions, ever. When people grandstand and make extreme hyperbole and outright ridiculous statements, or pop into threads just to be negative and dip and add nothing to conversations, just like here in the WWE section, people counter their statements or challenge them. This goes for both overly negative and overly defensive individuals. To me it has always and I mean always been clear what's allowed and what isn't, and the AEW section doesn't get in a tizzy because someone "doesn't like Dynamite" ever, it's kind of annoying that people almost seem to be "waiting" to shit on AEW or something like more negativity is somehow a good thing. It's really not, and it's a flat out lie that AEW criticism's some outlaw there. The AEW Section can be very chill, and the rules aren't really any different at all from here, but that board has been bombarded with bad faith and trolling in the past, the WWE Board has had much less of that, AEW's a new company, this happens, and it's annoying when people pass that off as "Oh well I guess you can't be negative at all" that's not the case, never has been the case. I’ve been warned on this very thread in the WWE section for ‘taking shots’ at AEW and warned to stop doing it. For making one silly joke about Tony Khan’s bots thing (which isn’t taking a shot at AEW — it’s a joke about Tony, if you even want to call it a shot, not about the promotion). I could point out literally 1,000 shots at WWE on this forum that haven’t gotten a warning from a mod. There is a difference. You can say VKM is evil and he should die on this forum and nobody will bad an eye. Make a TK bot joke and it’s treated as a major offense.
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Post by Malcolm on May 10, 2022 12:02:38 GMT -5
Nuts to this. If anyone need me, I'm going back to (w)rest of wrestling.
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Post by The Ichi on May 10, 2022 12:04:38 GMT -5
I'm not gonna make this a huge thing in this thread but since the AEW Board keeps being brought up in some weird light: People have always been critical of AEW on that Board, this isn't some "underground movement", it's always been there, I was there when the Board started, and it's never been an issue to voice your displeasure and your opinions, ever. When people grandstand and make extreme hyperbole and outright ridiculous statements, or pop into threads just to be negative and dip and add nothing to conversations, just like here in the WWE section, people counter their statements or challenge them. This goes for both overly negative and overly defensive individuals. To me it has always and I mean always been clear what's allowed and what isn't, and the AEW section doesn't get in a tizzy because someone "doesn't like Dynamite" ever, it's kind of annoying that people almost seem to be "waiting" to shit on AEW or something like more negativity is somehow a good thing. It's really not, and it's a flat out lie that AEW criticism's some outlaw there. The AEW Section can be very chill, and the rules aren't really any different at all from here, but that board has been bombarded with bad faith and trolling in the past, the WWE Board has had much less of that, AEW's a new company, this happens, and it's annoying when people pass that off as "Oh well I guess you can't be negative at all" that's not the case, never has been the case. I’ve been warned on this very thread in the WWE section for ‘taking shots’ at AEW and warned to stop doing it. For making one silly joke about Tony Khan’s bots thing (which isn’t taking a shot at AEW — it’s a joke about Tony, if you even want to call it a shot, not about the promotion). I could point out literally 1,000 shots at WWE on this forum that haven’t gotten a warning from a mod. There is a difference. You can say VKM is evil and he should die on this forum and nobody will bad an eye. Make a TK bot joke and it’s treated as a major offense. If you were warned, I can only assume it wasn't a one time thing or, again, how you worded it. I have made and have seen plenty of jokes made about Tony Khan that were fine. And wishing death is against the rules here, so that last sentence isn't true.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 10, 2022 12:07:31 GMT -5
As this thread has gone all over the place I'll add I see critisism in 3 categories.
1. Off screen actions, words, actions, accusations and business practices. 2. Constructive criticism for creative 3. Less constructive criticism, joke, troll, ill-informed, rushed, lacking context, wrong time/place.
Group 1. You don't have to watch to give these. Any promotion from CYN to WWE are fair game in relevant news and meta threads, it's not tribalism, it's not negativity. How many shits anyone gives is up to them, many are in a morally grey area and people will view them differently (eg a questionable 10 year old tweet resurfacing) so if you don't care that's fine but others do and their reaction shouldn't be dismissed or conflated with crapping on the latest episode of raw/ramage etc. It's not the same thing, especially if its something that stirs up feelings from experiences people have had irl.
That said there's a time and place, eg a financial news thread like this is a suitable place to talk about the way those results were achieved but not so much in say a Madcap Moss appreciation thread.
2. This should always be fine.
3. This is where many issues stem from, intention is harder to read. No idea the answer except try to give a charitable view.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 10, 2022 12:13:12 GMT -5
I've been attacked for my opinion in the AEW board exactly once, and it was from a poster that (I could be wrong on this) had to be banned for being too aggressively defensive. I'm just going to say that if you feel you "can't" post your views there safely, then the problem is with how you word them and leave it at that. I think that’s an oversimplification. I suggest reading Tea & Crumpets post, above, which is a similar thing that I’ve noticed. There’s 1000% more hostility to a pro-WWE opinion/AEW criticism than there is for the opposite, and it’s really not on how posters word things.
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