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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 9, 2022 2:37:21 GMT -5
Roman seems worse because it is more recent and people really want to whitewash over all the horrible booking involving Hunter because he signed all their favourite indie guys (as part of a move to kill the indies.)
People absolutely HATED it at the time and that was mirrored by ratings and buyrates dropping like rocks, the show was booked to make Hunter seem bigger and to send him home happy, no matter what was written by the creative team or what the audience wanted. I doubt Roman is going to writers and asking if he's f-word going over, and getting it changed when he's not.
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Post by thechase on May 9, 2022 3:58:36 GMT -5
I can't vote. Charlotte's recent reign isn't listed.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 9, 2022 4:04:08 GMT -5
I'll throw you Jeff Jarrett's reign of terror! ... anyone? Anyone? A WILD SLAPNUTS APPEARS. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 9, 2022 4:05:39 GMT -5
This poll is proof recency bias is a thing and works both ways. I've never seen anyone in wrestling, barely anyone in any form of entertainment, get the levels of hate HHH did online during this period. They didn't call it HHHate for nothing. The Tribal Chief in this run has been absolutely adored in comparison to the Reign of Terror. It is starting to slip, however. Still this is Vince's dream. To have Roman always win and more people accept it cause he's a bad guy. He would have loved it if Cena did the same too. |
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Post by Bad Moon on May 9, 2022 4:14:17 GMT -5
While HHH was ruining Raw you still had a pretty solid Smackdown to fall back on, if you wanna get away from Roman's Smackdown but still watch WWE for some reason, you're left with 3 hour Raws that are just as miserable.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 9, 2022 4:46:07 GMT -5
While HHH was ruining Raw you still had a pretty solid Smackdown to fall back on, if you wanna get away from Roman's Smackdown but still watch WWE for some reason, you're left with 3 hour Raws that are just as miserable. Probably too soon to say but it seems like Raw is maybe turning the corner. Last two weeks were pretty good with the main events being a eight man tag and a six woman tag respectively where in both the faces went over and everyone was happy. Maybe Raw can be that happy place and an escape from Smackdown and it's never ending misery. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 9, 2022 4:54:23 GMT -5
Roman seems worse because it is more recent and people really want to whitewash over all the horrible booking involving Hunter because he signed all their favourite indie guys (as part of a move to kill the indies.) People absolutely HATED it at the time and that was mirrored by ratings and buyrates dropping like rocks, the show was booked to make Hunter seem bigger and to send him home happy, no matter what was written by the creative team or what the audience wanted. I doubt Roman is going to writers and asking if he's f-word going over, and getting it changed when he's not. The thing about that, though, is that HHH still got some kind of consequence at times. I’ve mentioned before that Katie Vick caused outrage and had the ratings drop hard to the point where HHH came out to do a whole “I don’t care what you think” speech and basically lead to the babyfaces winning at points to get the crowds back. Same with the time HHH and Flair got their asses kicked when Evolution tried to take over Raw. The difference with now is that they’ve designed a system where they don’t need to do that. USA don’t have anything else and Raw’s really the only thing getting young people watching, FOX could ditch Smackdown tomorrow and not be affected at all by it but appreciate the nice Friday bump and other revenue sources basically make fans less important. Why have Roman have consequences for his actions when there’s no consequences for WWE’s own? |
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Post by Kalmia on May 9, 2022 5:00:22 GMT -5
Triple H's reign of terror was horrible to watch. The long promos, the boring matches, the fact it just kept going... But I continued watching. Roman has made me actively switch off WWE and not bother with the product at all.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 9, 2022 6:40:05 GMT -5
At least HHH (or a partner) would lose a match like last night....
Can't even get Roman to do that
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Post by Push R Truth on May 9, 2022 8:14:29 GMT -5
For as shit as the HHH Reign of Terror was; it eventually created a lot of future main event talent. Oh lord those long ass opening/closing HHH promos were just TV death. The Booker T stuff was disgusting. The Katie Vick stuff was laughably bad. Evolution eventually was awesome. It's a mixed bag but it's mostly negative. At least it eventually put some legit talent over and created a future.
I can think of one person that Reigns put over, his cousin Jey. And about the only thing that still remains of that "overness" is a random "MAIN EVENT JEY USO" said by commentators from time to time. At least his promos are normally short, but then again his promos are basically "AKNOWLEDEGE ME x16" then hands the mic to Paul who repeats generic Lesnar promo with 'Brock Lesnar' replaced by 'Roman Reigns' and 'BEAST' replaced with 'Head of the Table'. This is a boring bag that doesn't have the lowest lows of the HHH Reign of Terror but has zero 'highs' of putting anybody else over, either. Future outlook is grim. There's a real possibility of another entire year with nothing but reruns with nobody getting over.
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Post by khali on May 9, 2022 8:45:32 GMT -5
Roman is easily worse. Triple H occasionally lost and faces got one over on him. Roman’s team can’t even lose a meaningless six man tag. Roman is currently booked even stronger than Hogan in the 80s-early 90s. Yeah, Hogan won the feuds. But they still understood then that you had to sometimes have Hogan be laid out to make his opponent look like a threat.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 9, 2022 10:20:41 GMT -5
I stopped watching during Roman’s time as champ so he wins out.
As much as the reign of terror sucked the product around it was still interesting
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 10:22:09 GMT -5
I guess to just expand on what I said earlier, heels have to take an ass whoopin' (unless they're "Monster of the Week" type heels, which admittedly are booked differently) once in a while, or else it just doesn't work because they're not really heels. They're just overly-dominant assholes you don't like, and there's a difference.
Consider prime Ric Flair and MJF. Both guys won/win a lot, but only just. They don't cheat to win to make it easier for them, they cheat because they have to. How many times did Ric Flair come out a ring a champion, but one bleeding like a stuck pig? How many times has MJF sold offense like he got hit with the Warner Bros' branded mallet?
Triple H has many, many faults, especially during that era, but the dude at least would act like a chickenshit who got beaten pillar to post and only won by pulling something underhanded right out of his ass.
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Post by salz4life on May 9, 2022 10:30:35 GMT -5
HHH. I'm loving Roman!
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 9, 2022 10:38:21 GMT -5
I guess to just expand on what I said earlier, heels have to take an ass whoopin' (unless they're "Monster of the Week" type heels, which admittedly are booked differently) once in a while, or else it just doesn't work because they're not really heels. They're just overly-dominant assholes you don't like, and there's a difference. Consider prime Ric Flair and MJF. Both guys won/win a lot, but only just. They don't cheat to win to make it easier for them, they cheat because they have to. How many times did Ric Flair come out a ring a champion, but one bleeding like a stuck pig? How many times has MJF sold offense like he got hit with the Warner Bros' branded mallet? Triple H has many, many faults, especially during that era, but the dude at least would act like a chickenshit who got beaten pillar to post and only won by pulling something underhanded right out of his ass. And HHH would lose in a tag match to say, RVD headed into a title defense against him to at least give you the sense his title was in danger. We don't even get *that* with Roman. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 10:47:48 GMT -5
I guess to just expand on what I said earlier, heels have to take an ass whoopin' (unless they're "Monster of the Week" type heels, which admittedly are booked differently) once in a while, or else it just doesn't work because they're not really heels. They're just overly-dominant assholes you don't like, and there's a difference. Consider prime Ric Flair and MJF. Both guys won/win a lot, but only just. They don't cheat to win to make it easier for them, they cheat because they have to. How many times did Ric Flair come out a ring a champion, but one bleeding like a stuck pig? How many times has MJF sold offense like he got hit with the Warner Bros' branded mallet? Triple H has many, many faults, especially during that era, but the dude at least would act like a chickenshit who got beaten pillar to post and only won by pulling something underhanded right out of his ass. And HHH would lose in a tag match to say, RVD headed into a title defense against him to at least give you the sense his title was in danger. We don't even get *that* with Roman. Hell, think about Brock. Brock was booked like Goro since the 2012 comeback, and I can count his legit pinfall losses on one hand. Anyone remember the way he jumped practically into the rafters for just a chokeslam from Taker? Roman doesn't do that. Hell, I like Joe, the real guy behind Roman. Seems like a nice guy. Family man. Good dude. But I don't think he ever learned how to actually sell for shit, because he spent years being the heater in The Shield, and then got thrust into the main event. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 9, 2022 10:55:29 GMT -5
And HHH would lose in a tag match to say, RVD headed into a title defense against him to at least give you the sense his title was in danger. We don't even get *that* with Roman. Hell, think about Brock. Brock was booked like Goro since the 2012 comeback, and I can count his legit pinfall losses on one hand. Anyone remember the way he jumped practically into the rafters for just a chokeslam from Taker? Roman doesn't do that. Hell, I like Joe, the real guy behind Roman. Seems like a nice guy. Family man. Good dude. But I don't think he ever learned how to actually sell for shit, because he spent years being the heater in The Shield, and then got thrust into the main event. Oh he's an awesome guy. Like him a ton. But they've booked him even more asinine than boss mode Lesnar. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 10:56:49 GMT -5
Hell, think about Brock. Brock was booked like Goro since the 2012 comeback, and I can count his legit pinfall losses on one hand. Anyone remember the way he jumped practically into the rafters for just a chokeslam from Taker? Roman doesn't do that. Hell, I like Joe, the real guy behind Roman. Seems like a nice guy. Family man. Good dude. But I don't think he ever learned how to actually sell for shit, because he spent years being the heater in The Shield, and then got thrust into the main event. Oh he's an awesome guy. Like him a ton. But they've booked him even more asinine than boss mode Lesnar. And to be frank with you, I don't see in Roman what there is in Brock. Roman simply doesn't have that aura. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 9, 2022 11:18:09 GMT -5
I think Triple H's reign right now is worst because at the time you had 3 babyfaces get white hot that arguably could/should have won the belt in RVD/Booker/Kane but they didn't that being said, HBK winning the title, Benoit's win and putting over Batista are big plus moves.
Roman I actually think has been a great heel the issue is that there's NOBODY to fight him and they're prolonging the reign for a yet to be finalized match with the Rock. It really felt like they were building for Big E to be the one to dethrone Roman, and plans changed... then Big E as a champ was a disaster (no fault of his). In theory the only two people right now who are easily close to the level of credible challengers are Lashley and Drew. I think you could get Cody to that point as well
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Post by asuka007 on May 9, 2022 11:20:37 GMT -5
Roman is easily worse. Triple H occasionally lost and faces got one over on him. Roman’s team can’t even lose a meaningless six man tag. Roman is currently booked even stronger than Hogan in the 80s-early 90s. Yeah, Hogan won the feuds. But they still understood then that you had to sometimes have Hogan be laid out to make his opponent look like a threat. They did a whole storyline where Hogan got destroyed by Earthqauke and was gone for months. And even peak WCW creative control Clause Hogan would occasionally lose. Or just look like a coward/run away. |
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