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Post by Tiffany Stratton's Daddy on May 8, 2022 20:45:40 GMT -5
Character wise: he could've moved up to Raw or SmackDown and had plenty of success, if Velveteen Dream isn't tweaked by Vinny Mac.
In-ring wise: He was meh, but would've probably thrived in 2022 rather than 2019. We were still in that era of the Black and Gold stars coming up and in-ring work mattering. If he was called up from NXT 2.0, he would be pushed to the moon.
Human wise: Can't comment. I don't know the guy. WWE (hopefully) didn't know the allegations while he was in NXT and a prominent part of the brand. But wasn't aware of how he was behind the scenes, so maybe that played a part?
It would've been very interesting if he didn't get hurt, does he get the call-up?
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 8, 2022 22:04:48 GMT -5
Here's the thing we overlook as fans. The developmental aspect of NXT, even when peak Black and Gold was closer to a full-on third main roster brand than a developmental camp, isn't just about refining physical ability and character work, there's also the human and behavioral aspect as well. Velveteen Dream was ready for the big time spotlight in 2019. Patrick Clark was not, and if he was held back because of that, than the correct decision was almost certainly made, even before brave individuals like Josh Fuller blew the whistle.It would've been interesting to see how he would've done in the main roster, but we'll probably never get the chance to see that, and it sucks. As for the allegations against him, I've addressed these on here numerous times. He was framed by people that were in a group that was called exposing n-words. The people in that group were asked to prove that it wasn't a racist group, but they NEVER did. He was also accused of being a terrible person to work with by someone that works backstage. This stems from the fact that he didn't want to sign something that he wasn't going to make money from. The person that asked him to sign something that was going to sell it on eBay without Patrick getting any of the proceeds. Dude was accused by multiple people, wasnt he?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 9, 2022 0:53:50 GMT -5
It would've been interesting to see how he would've done in the main roster, but we'll probably never get the chance to see that, and it sucks. As for the allegations against him, I've addressed these on here numerous times. He was framed by people that were in a group that was called exposing n-words. The people in that group were asked to prove that it wasn't a racist group, but they NEVER did. He was also accused of being a terrible person to work with by someone that works backstage. This stems from the fact that he didn't want to sign something that he wasn't going to make money from. The person that asked him to sign something that was going to sell it on eBay without Patrick getting any of the proceeds. Dude was accused by multiple people, wasnt he? Yes, and Josh Fuller was completely independent of the racist group mentioned there. Plus, there's this long deleted tweet from Velveteen Dream.
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Post by auph10imitated on May 9, 2022 4:54:19 GMT -5
I completely forgotten all about Velveteen Dream, I had to check out when he was released. So much wasted talent from NXT
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Post by jp49er80 on May 9, 2022 5:36:57 GMT -5
Dude was accused by multiple people, wasnt he? Yes, and Josh Fuller was completely independent of the racist group mentioned there. Plus, there's this long deleted tweet from Velveteen Dream. Yeah, this. Kinda tired of the insane need to defend a wrestler just because people liked his gimmick. The accusations weren't one offs.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 9, 2022 9:16:09 GMT -5
I completely forgotten all about Velveteen Dream, I had to check out when he was released. So much wasted talent from NXT He wasted his own talent. And he was kept around way after the shit about him came out, while other talents were wasted.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 9, 2022 9:49:28 GMT -5
Everything about the guy was off when he returned from injury. He was never the best wrestler, but could hang with the Black & Gold workhorses … but that back injury really set him back. And his character was just an absolute dumpster fire afterwards as well. And that’s without the personal stuff. That Roderick Strong feud.... *shudders* I'm the type that usually justifies faces acting like heels and there was that. I couldn't come up with a decent explanation
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 9, 2022 9:52:41 GMT -5
I completely forgotten all about Velveteen Dream, I had to check out when he was released. So much wasted talent from NXT He wasted his own talent. And he was kept around way after the shit about him came out, while other talents were wasted. Also we have to forget, HHH protected the hell out of the guy. To the point where there was a mandate for journalists not to bring it up anymore, which said way more than it didn’t to be quite honest.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 9, 2022 9:54:13 GMT -5
Dude was accused by multiple people, wasnt he? Yes, and Josh Fuller was completely independent of the racist group mentioned there. Plus, there's this long deleted tweet from Velveteen Dream. And this came to light AFTER he said he stopped talking to Josh Fuller BEFORE this date. So, dude was lying about that, what else is he fabricating? He lost me completely after that. Anytime he says shit about shit someone needs to retweet to him "I haven't talked to Josh Fuller since ____" followed by the above tweet.
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Post by Hypnosis on May 9, 2022 9:58:43 GMT -5
That Roderick Strong feud.... *shudders* I'm the type that usually justifies faces acting like heels and there was that. I couldn't come up with a decent explanation What bothered me about the feud was that Dream had Strong's young son on the tights. If it were just Marina Shafir on the tights like what happened originally, it would have only been a "New Rick Rude" thing to me.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on May 9, 2022 10:00:22 GMT -5
Whatever came of the allegations?
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Post by knsffa on May 9, 2022 10:02:44 GMT -5
I'm the type that usually justifies faces acting like heels and there was that. I couldn't come up with a decent explanation What bothered me about the feud was that Dream had Strong's young son on the tights. If it were just Marina Shafir on the tights with Dream like what happened originally, it would have only been a "New Rick Rude" thing to me. That is even more icky taking into account the Fuller stuff.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 10:07:24 GMT -5
He wasted his own talent. And he was kept around way after the shit about him came out, while other talents were wasted. Also we have to forget, HHH protected the hell out of the guy. To the point where there was a mandate for journalists not to bring it up anymore, which said way more than it didn’t to be quite honest. Anytime I remember that, I wonder if it was HHH attempting to pull a Vince/Snuka and just kind of quietly make things go away.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 9, 2022 10:11:00 GMT -5
Also we have to forget, HHH protected the hell out of the guy. To the point where there was a mandate for journalists not to bring it up anymore, which said way more than it didn’t to be quite honest. Anytime I remember that, I wonder if it was HHH attempting to pull a Vince/Snuka and just kind of quietly make things go away. Considering he was already dealing with COVID outbreaks on a consistent basis at the PC (especially after his infamous “we have a spray that protects from COVID for months” statements) and we were months after the first purging of main roster and NXT talent, I’d say that was another distraction he didn’t need.
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Post by auph10imitated on May 9, 2022 10:41:50 GMT -5
I completely forgotten all about Velveteen Dream, I had to check out when he was released. So much wasted talent from NXT He wasted his own talent. And he was kept around way after the shit about him came out, while other talents were wasted. Ah, I had no idea
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 9, 2022 12:11:39 GMT -5
Also we have to forget, HHH protected the hell out of the guy. To the point where there was a mandate for journalists not to bring it up anymore, which said way more than it didn’t to be quite honest. Anytime I remember that, I wonder if it was HHH attempting to pull a Vince/Snuka and just kind of quietly make things go away. I wouldn’t go to that extreme. Hunter seemed to have a genuine love for his favourites in NXT, the accusations against Dream were probably like him hearing accusations against his own relative. This is obviously a completely different circumstance, but I used to look after my friends teenager sons and one of them tried to steal my truck one night. Making that phone call to his mother was incredibly painful. I could see Hunter feeling a sense of disappointment beyond anything over the Dream situation, but that’s purely speculation not based on any hard fact.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on May 9, 2022 12:50:25 GMT -5
Again I ask...
Whatever came of the allegations?
Like... is he a POS? Or not?
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 9, 2022 13:19:06 GMT -5
Again I ask... Whatever came of the allegations? Like... is he a POS? Or not? I think one ended up being kinda questionable but one had some pretty damning evidence. Either way, the story kinda went away when he got shitcanned
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on May 9, 2022 14:55:25 GMT -5
Again I ask... Whatever came of the allegations? Like... is he a POS? Or not? I think one ended up being kinda questionable but one had some pretty damning evidence. Either way, the story kinda went away when he got shitcanned So everyone just assumes? I remember seeing the posts and they didn't seem very believable to me.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 9, 2022 15:25:38 GMT -5
Again I ask... Whatever came of the allegations? Like... is he a POS? Or not? Does something need to "come" of an allegation? Like I don't know what you're looking for here.
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