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Post by nihilismizhawt on May 10, 2022 11:43:50 GMT -5
They got 300k, anti-AEW people on Twitter are having their field day, but TNT was said to be happy with 400k people on Wednesdays at 8pm. They're literally 100k off the TNT "happy to have every week" number, and it was randomly on at 2:30pm on the west coast. I know my wife straight up told me "You're streaming that later."
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Post by Cyno on May 10, 2022 12:01:40 GMT -5
These kinds of numbers are meaningless. Not in terms of them not being real or anything, but because when it comes time to look at news deals or evaluate AEW's performance, shows at outrageous and inaccessible start times aren't going to be looked at like they're representative of anything. The network exec who is going to use this rating to make a point is one who wants AEW off their station entirely. Basically, it's a statistical anomaly. This week's Rampage will likely be similar. Maybe a little better because it's slightly later, but still an odd time slot.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 10, 2022 12:52:09 GMT -5
They got 300k, anti-AEW people on Twitter are having their field day, but TNT was said to be happy with 400k people on Wednesdays at 8pm. They're literally 100k off the TNT "happy to have every week" number, and it was randomly on at 2:30pm on the west coast. I know my wife straight up told me "You're streaming that later." To be fair, I'm old enough to remember someone on Twitter spinning beating half an hour of a pre-empted Smackdown on FS1 as a huge deal...
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 10, 2022 12:54:12 GMT -5
They got 300k, anti-AEW people on Twitter are having their field day, but TNT was said to be happy with 400k people on Wednesdays at 8pm. They're literally 100k off the TNT "happy to have every week" number, and it was randomly on at 2:30pm on the west coast. I know my wife straight up told me "You're streaming that later." To be fair, I'm old enough to remember someone on Twitter spinning beating half an hour of a pre-empted Smackdown on FS1 as a huge deal... I mean I would argue AEW beating WWE for 30 minutes head to head on cable in 18-49 to be at least somewhat interesting if not significant.
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Post by eJm on May 10, 2022 12:56:35 GMT -5
To be fair, I'm old enough to remember someone on Twitter spinning beating half an hour of a pre-empted Smackdown on FS1 as a huge deal... I mean I would argue AEW beating WWE for 30 minutes head to head on cable in 18-49 to be at least somewhat interesting if not significant. Like, it’d be ignoring the context of why that was to even try and make a fair comparison because Rampage didn’t move times to compete with Smackdown on FS1 and basically didn’t get the job done which was what WWE did and why it was what it was. Rampage moving isn’t any different from Smackdown going to FS1 when something more significant is going to take its spot like sports.
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Post by asuka007 on May 10, 2022 13:54:59 GMT -5
I had a friend who watches Rampage every week. But she could not watch it thus week because she was going out to dinner with her parents at that time.
And on the west coast a lot of people were probably still at work/school even.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 10, 2022 14:08:33 GMT -5
I mean I would argue AEW beating WWE for 30 minutes head to head on cable in 18-49 to be at least somewhat interesting if not significant. Like, it’d be ignoring the context of why that was to even try and make a fair comparison because Rampage didn’t move times to compete with Smackdown on FS1 and basically didn’t get the job done which was what WWE did and why it was what it was. Rampage moving isn’t any different from Smackdown going to FS1 when something more significant is going to take its spot like sports. In both cases, it's a completely irrelevant anomaly which will be irrelevant by next week, let alone the next time negotiations come up. I just don't think there's that much room for pearl clutching about sad Twitter wars about Rampage and ratings, when Tony Khan revels in it and partakes pretty frequently (which reminds me, when is he releasing that report on Vince's bot farm?). Your take might be that Tony was totally justified in doing it, but he was still doing it.
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Post by eJm on May 10, 2022 14:18:08 GMT -5
Like, it’d be ignoring the context of why that was to even try and make a fair comparison because Rampage didn’t move times to compete with Smackdown on FS1 and basically didn’t get the job done which was what WWE did and why it was what it was. Rampage moving isn’t any different from Smackdown going to FS1 when something more significant is going to take its spot like sports. In both cases, it's a completely irrelevant anomaly which will be irrelevant by next week, let alone the next time negotiations come up. But you were the one to bring it up so you were the one to make it less irrelevant to this discussion, correct? I also cut the rest of your post because, again, irrelevant to the discussion. I’m not going to warn you again, I know what you’re doing and you can see the thread up the top there so…don’t?
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Post by 06vwgti on May 10, 2022 14:25:41 GMT -5
I had a friend who watches Rampage every week. But she could not watch it thus week because she was going out to dinner with her parents at that time. And on the west coast a lot of people were probably still at work/school even. The one thing I hate about my every few times a month west coast trips is trying to figure out when rampage is on when it gets stuck on a weird time. I got done with my work early but decided to do a a quick museum viewing and only caught the main event when it took longer than I wanted.
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Post by nihilismizhawt on May 10, 2022 15:08:28 GMT -5
Like, it’d be ignoring the context of why that was to even try and make a fair comparison because Rampage didn’t move times to compete with Smackdown on FS1 and basically didn’t get the job done which was what WWE did and why it was what it was. Rampage moving isn’t any different from Smackdown going to FS1 when something more significant is going to take its spot like sports. In both cases, it's a completely irrelevant anomaly which will be irrelevant by next week, let alone the next time negotiations come up. I just don't think there's that much room for pearl clutching about sad Twitter wars about Rampage and ratings, when Tony Khan revels in it and partakes pretty frequently (which reminds me, when is he releasing that report on Vince's bot farm?). Your take might be that Tony was totally justified in doing it, but he was still doing it. Even though you have obvious disdain for Tony Khan, AEW did beat WWE in the demo ratings when they went head to head. That's an objective fact. That's something WWE itself used in answering a lawsuit brought against it, as an objective fact. That there are competitors out there that have beaten WWE. It wasn't just something on twitterverse.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 10, 2022 15:17:54 GMT -5
In both cases, it's a completely irrelevant anomaly which will be irrelevant by next week, let alone the next time negotiations come up. I just don't think there's that much room for pearl clutching about sad Twitter wars about Rampage and ratings, when Tony Khan revels in it and partakes pretty frequently (which reminds me, when is he releasing that report on Vince's bot farm?). Your take might be that Tony was totally justified in doing it, but he was still doing it. Even though you have obvious disdain for Tony Khan, AEW did beat WWE in the demo ratings when they went head to head. That's an objective fact. That's something WWE itself used in answering a lawsuit brought against it, as an objective fact. That there are competitors out there that have beaten WWE. It wasn't just something on twitterverse. And plus, like, saying the Bunny got a better demo number than Roman Reigns is just funny. Everyone knows that the Bunny isn't more popular than Roman Reigns, and that the circumstances were not a straight-up fair competition, and that Ruby Soho was probably a bigger draw on AEW's side. Frankly, the joke is only funny if you take all of that context into account.
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Post by eJm on May 10, 2022 15:20:41 GMT -5
Even though you have obvious disdain for Tony Khan, AEW did beat WWE in the demo ratings when they went head to head. That's an objective fact. That's something WWE itself used in answering a lawsuit brought against it, as an objective fact. That there are competitors out there that have beaten WWE. It wasn't just something on twitterverse. And plus, like, saying the Bunny got a better demo number than Roman Reigns is just funny. Everyone knows that the Bunny isn't more popular than Roman Reigns, and that the circumstances were not a straight-up fair competition, and that Ruby Soho was probably a bigger draw on AEW's side. Frankly, the joke is only funny if you take all of that context into account. How dare you disrespect my Tribal Chief The Bunny by saying it’s only a joke?!
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 10, 2022 15:25:06 GMT -5
They are having a field on a show that aired when most of the country still working or driving home from work. The only people home to watch are people home from school or someone who doesn't work a normal shift or has no job.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 15:28:28 GMT -5
I've said it once and I'll say it again: ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR TRIBAL CHIEFTESS, THE DEMO GODDESS, THE BUNNY
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 10, 2022 15:55:23 GMT -5
In both cases, it's a completely irrelevant anomaly which will be irrelevant by next week, let alone the next time negotiations come up. I just don't think there's that much room for pearl clutching about sad Twitter wars about Rampage and ratings, when Tony Khan revels in it and partakes pretty frequently (which reminds me, when is he releasing that report on Vince's bot farm?). Your take might be that Tony was totally justified in doing it, but he was still doing it. Even though you have obvious disdain for Tony Khan, AEW did beat WWE in the demo ratings when they went head to head. That's an objective fact. That's something WWE itself used in answering a lawsuit brought against it, as an objective fact. That there are competitors out there that have beaten WWE. It wasn't just something on twitterverse. 100%. But the people crowing on Twitter about how this is a record low for Rampage or they've lost x amount since last week or the first episode... those are also objective facts. They're facts cherry picked without key context for the benefit of scoring points, but still facts. And if high ranking people in WWE or AEW are doing it on Twitter, it's not that surprising that it would filter down. This isn't just an anti-Tony take either. If WWE were leaking fast nationals that was them doing a very similar thing, albeit in a more subtle way.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 10, 2022 19:01:34 GMT -5
Frankly 200K would have been acceptable. This is literally an ‘it is what it is’ thing. If I were Turner/Discovery/AEW and you offered me those numbers or take my chances, I’d have grabbed them and run. I watch Rampage religiously and I nearly forgot about it this week because of the time change. It’s definitely “it is what it is”. Shows changing time slots pretty much always goes poorly, considering the time slot they got stuck with this really isn’t the worst thing
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Post by oxbaker on May 10, 2022 19:41:40 GMT -5
They got 300k, anti-AEW people on Twitter are having their field day, but TNT was said to be happy with 400k people on Wednesdays at 8pm. They're literally 100k off the TNT "happy to have every week" number, and it was randomly on at 2:30pm on the west coast. I know my wife straight up told me "You're streaming that later." Let me start off that I’ve stated on this thread (and every time I’ve posted about ratings during NBA playoffs) that this number is in no way representative of anything (especially in this case with the daytime start for half the country) … BUT … I think it’s time to retire the ‘happy to have every week’ number from TNT that was for when the show was a brand new debut. Those goalposts move over time and expectations change. If Dynamite started doing 500K every week after NBA playoffs (and they’ll stay above it even during with NBA postseason-deflated numbers), I don’t think Turner/Discovery would say ‘well we’re happy with that’ because the bar has been reset. I mean, Seinfeld and Friends weren’t expected to be the absolute ratings monsters they became, but if midway through their runs their audience had dropped to half all of a sudden the networks would not have said ‘well it’s still in line with what we originally expected so it’s OK.’ AEW is working for a new deal that one would expect to be finalized within the next year or so, and that deal will be based on the numbers it has produced, not on the original expectation. If Discovery only expects 500K they’re only going to pay what a 500K show would merit, and that’s not a bigger deal than before. I guarantee you that everyone from Discovery/Turner/TBS execs to Tony Khan now expect higher than that number. (Not for Rampage, and certainly not for one in a temporary move to a horrible slot.)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 10, 2022 20:03:59 GMT -5
They got 300k, anti-AEW people on Twitter are having their field day, but TNT was said to be happy with 400k people on Wednesdays at 8pm. They're literally 100k off the TNT "happy to have every week" number, and it was randomly on at 2:30pm on the west coast. I know my wife straight up told me "You're streaming that later." Let me start off that I’ve stated on this thread (and every time I’ve posted about ratings during NBA playoffs) that this number is in no way representative of anything (especially in this case with the daytime start for half the country) … BUT … I think it’s time to retire the ‘happy to have every week’ number from TNT that was for when the show was a brand new debut. Those goalposts move over time and expectations change. If Dynamite started doing 500K every week after NBA playoffs (and they’ll stay above it even during with NBA postseason-deflated numbers), I don’t think Turner/Discovery would say ‘well we’re happy with that’ because the bar has been reset. I mean, Seinfeld and Friends weren’t expected to be the absolute ratings monsters they became, but if midway through their runs their audience had dropped to half all of a sudden the networks would not have said ‘well it’s still in line with what we originally expected so it’s OK.’ AEW is working for a new deal that one would expect to be finalized within the next year or so, and that deal will be based on the numbers it has produced, not on the original expectation. If Discovery only expects 500K they’re only going to pay what a 500K show would merit, and that’s not a bigger deal than before. I guarantee you that everyone from Discovery/Turner/TBS execs to Tony Khan now expect higher than that number. (Not for Rampage, and certainly not for one in a temporary move to a horrible slot.) While I'm in agreement that things can change, Rampage was still a top 10 show and doing well when it was consistently in one timeslot, and that's for a taped show. No doubt TNT was happy with that. The issue is the playoffs keep moving it around... and that's very much on them. Hopefully when this blows over, Rampage can get back to its normal median.
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Post by oxbaker on May 10, 2022 20:12:54 GMT -5
Let me start off that I’ve stated on this thread (and every time I’ve posted about ratings during NBA playoffs) that this number is in no way representative of anything (especially in this case with the daytime start for half the country) … BUT … I think it’s time to retire the ‘happy to have every week’ number from TNT that was for when the show was a brand new debut. Those goalposts move over time and expectations change. If Dynamite started doing 500K every week after NBA playoffs (and they’ll stay above it even during with NBA postseason-deflated numbers), I don’t think Turner/Discovery would say ‘well we’re happy with that’ because the bar has been reset. I mean, Seinfeld and Friends weren’t expected to be the absolute ratings monsters they became, but if midway through their runs their audience had dropped to half all of a sudden the networks would not have said ‘well it’s still in line with what we originally expected so it’s OK.’ AEW is working for a new deal that one would expect to be finalized within the next year or so, and that deal will be based on the numbers it has produced, not on the original expectation. If Discovery only expects 500K they’re only going to pay what a 500K show would merit, and that’s not a bigger deal than before. I guarantee you that everyone from Discovery/Turner/TBS execs to Tony Khan now expect higher than that number. (Not for Rampage, and certainly not for one in a temporary move to a horrible slot.) While I'm in agreement that things can change, Rampage was still a top 10 show and doing well when it was consistently in one timeslot, and that's for a taped show. No doubt TNT was happy with that. The issue is the playoffs keep moving it around... and that's very much on them. Hopefully when this blows over, Rampage can get back to its normal median. No question. I’m just saying after 3 years with a proven track record of doing much better than the original ‘TNT-would-be-happy-with’ number, Dynamite’s expectations are much higher. That’s a compliment to AEW: it has earned higher expectations by exceeding original expectations. All I’m saying it we’ve moved past that point (TNT wanting at least 500k). There’s no reason to bring it up anymore.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 10, 2022 20:54:28 GMT -5
While I'm in agreement that things can change, Rampage was still a top 10 show and doing well when it was consistently in one timeslot, and that's for a taped show. No doubt TNT was happy with that. The issue is the playoffs keep moving it around... and that's very much on them. Hopefully when this blows over, Rampage can get back to its normal median. No question. I’m just saying after 3 years with a proven track record of doing much better than the original ‘TNT-would-be-happy-with’ number, Dynamite’s expectations are much higher. That’s a compliment to AEW: it has earned higher expectations by exceeding original expectations. All I’m saying it we’ve moved past that point (TNT wanting at least 500k). There’s no reason to bring it up anymore. That’s incredibly sound logic, that I legitimately hadn’t thought of before. TBS’s expectations for Dynamite now are probably 700k minimum, possibly more. Rampage gets moved more so it fluctuates more, probably gets more leeway, but totally agree with what you’re saying
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