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Post by polarbearpete on May 13, 2022 23:17:26 GMT -5
I mean maybe but the opening post you made is saying Dave reported that in the newsletter. But he didn’t. That’s your own guessing. I get that you constantly like to defend WWE from any sort of criticism,.... You don’t have to attach this to every reply I make to you, and just reply to the actual points being made. I’m not even defending WWE here, I’m defending Meltzer’s newsletter from the incorrect summary of its contents in the opening post.
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Post by asuka007 on May 13, 2022 23:17:34 GMT -5
Seeing Aaliyah and Shotzi squabbling over a title shot tonight highlighted the depth issues even more. Both of them got basically squashed by Ronda and Charlotte in under two minutes. Why would anyone consider them viable challengers?
They at least tried to put over Raquel as a legit threat. I’ll give them that much.
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Post by Instant Classic on May 14, 2022 0:24:16 GMT -5
They unified the world titles(for now) and are about to do the tag belts, now do the same for the womens.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 14, 2022 0:39:50 GMT -5
Definitely don't see them running those matches 3 straight PPVs lol. Becky/Bianca & Charlotte/Ronda can definitely headline one stadium show as both matches have a logical 3rd match waiting. Maybe even a 4th for Becky/Bianca as a personal feud ender match. But to think they're running those matches 3 straight PPVs? Nah, that's just not WWE's style in recent years. Even Roman/Brock broke up the matches.
And yeah, OP definitely editorialized WON's comments to fit a certain narrative but hey it is what it is. We'll see how it plays out.
Most likely they run Rhea/Bianca and Ronda vs Bayley at one of these stadium shows to break up those feuds.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 14, 2022 0:41:34 GMT -5
I mean maybe but the opening post you made is saying Dave reported that in the newsletter. But he didn’t. That’s your own guessing. He also touched on it in briefly on WOR. It's really not that hard to understand. Becky/Bianca is going to be the Summer feud lasting through several stadium shows. They are literally the only women on RAW advertised for it. And Ronda/Charlotte will be the Smackdown side of the equation. I get that you constantly like to defend WWE from any sort of criticism, but this booking is indefensible and just completely devalues the vast majority of their women's division. At this point, WWE may as well just cut every woman but Becky, Ronda, Charlotte, and Bianca because those are the only women who actually matter in Bruce and Vince's eyes. Keep in mind this is the same company that released Dakota Kai because she "wouldn't fit in on the main roster" which we all know is BS. And you like to crap on WWE on every post that you make. You don't need to attack people just because they have a different opinion than you.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 14, 2022 1:50:35 GMT -5
OP has editorialized the hell out of what Dave said. He made a throwaway comment that Charlotte will probably gun for Ronda when she comes back. He didn't say Charlotte/Ronda or Becky/Bianca would be happening a "bunch of times" or that they would happen on all 3 big stadium shows. The quote directly from the newsletter: "She is scheduled to return over the summer going for revenge." (ed note: The "She" in this case is Charlotte) Plus its really, really, really obvious that's the plans going forward. They have no one else on Smackdown at the moment (especially after tonight), and if you remember the PWInsider report on the creative depth chart the other day on how they view the RAW women position wise, Asuka is considered the second lowest babyface on the RAW roster at the moment, only ahead of Dana Brooke. Also Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca are literally the only women advertised for all of the upcoming stadium shows in title matches. But the point stands that the only women in the title picture over the Summer as of right now is Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca. That has already been advertised through local ads and even stuff on WWE's own materials. I don't think its a coincidence that in the case of Becky/Bianca, they are all over the advertising for Hell in a Cell, MITB, Summerslam, and the UK PPV. While Asuka is mysteriously missing from all of those ads. Whether it happens or is likely to happen or not isn't the issue. The question is whether Dave said that the plan is to run those matches at all of those shows, which he didn't. If the title of the thread was 'My thoughts on the Womens' Title Pictures for this Summer based on recent dirtsheet reports' - that would be totally fine.
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Post by thehottag on May 14, 2022 2:16:39 GMT -5
Thing is, I don't actually care if this is the plan. Having rematches or whatever isn't in itself an issue. What they need to do is give a reason why they're fighting, give them a storyline with some progression. I remember seeing Benoit/Jericho & Rock/Triple H wrestle loads in 2000, but there was always a back-and-forth to it which made it interesting. WWE just needs to make sure there's a character or story arc rather than simply trotting out the same people to wrestle because reasons.
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Post by mistery on May 14, 2022 4:51:03 GMT -5
The quote directly from the newsletter: "She is scheduled to return over the summer going for revenge." (ed note: The "She" in this case is Charlotte) Plus its really, really, really obvious that's the plans going forward. They have no one else on Smackdown at the moment (especially after tonight), and if you remember the PWInsider report on the creative depth chart the other day on how they view the RAW women position wise, Asuka is considered the second lowest babyface on the RAW roster at the moment, only ahead of Dana Brooke. Also Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca are literally the only women advertised for all of the upcoming stadium shows in title matches. But the point stands that the only women in the title picture over the Summer as of right now is Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca. That has already been advertised through local ads and even stuff on WWE's own materials. I don't think its a coincidence that in the case of Becky/Bianca, they are all over the advertising for Hell in a Cell, MITB, Summerslam, and the UK PPV. While Asuka is mysteriously missing from all of those ads. Whether it happens or is likely to happen or not isn't the issue. The question is whether Dave said that the plan is to run those matches at all of those shows, which he didn't. If the title of the thread was 'My thoughts on the Womens' Title Pictures for this Summer based on recent dirtsheet reports' - that would be totally fine. The thing with Dave is when he says something like this, it generally means a long term program. Like him saying Becky/Bianca is being saved for major shows? Guess what? MITB, Summerslam, and the UK show are all considered major. And like I mentioned earlier, I doubt its an accident that those two are the only women advertised on the RAW side. That is ignoring the report from Fightful Select that said when Asuka returned, her program/interacting with Becky was going to be a short one. And everyone here who is trying to critcize the point being made needs to realize this is WWE we are talking about. They never deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to booking. Look at how long they ran Brock/Roman into the ground. They are absolutely going to do the same with Charlotte/Ronda and Becky/Bianca. Because those four women are the only people WWE think should be main eventers. Its basic pattern recognition at this point.
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Post by cornettesracket on May 14, 2022 5:44:04 GMT -5
So if this holds true it just completely makes Rhea's heel turn completely useless since everyone had it set that the heel turn was leading her to be the one to beat Bianca specifically at summerslam. Gonna guess she gets the MITB cashes in for the UK show but fails to win the title. Seriously these plans complete f*** over so many talented women for the long term. Why would Rhea cash in for the UK show? She's Australian, not Irish, Scottish, or British. It's very obvious they plan on running Bianca vs Becky (the home country hero) there. But the point still stands that women like Asuka and Rhea are both getting screwed over, and then you have women like Raquel, Shotzi, Xia, etc all being screwed over on Smackdown as well. Because god forbid WWE have any sort of variety in their title pictures. Might want to look at a map there squire.
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Post by eJm on May 14, 2022 6:52:01 GMT -5
Why would Rhea cash in for the UK show? She's Australian, not Irish, Scottish, or British. It's very obvious they plan on running Bianca vs Becky (the home country hero) there. But the point still stands that women like Asuka and Rhea are both getting screwed over, and then you have women like Raquel, Shotzi, Xia, etc all being screwed over on Smackdown as well. Because god forbid WWE have any sort of variety in their title pictures. Might want to look at a map their squire. I was about to say. Actually, let me go outside and say that to someone here in Dublin, let’s see what happens. See you in a bit.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 14, 2022 8:29:34 GMT -5
Whether it happens or is likely to happen or not isn't the issue. The question is whether Dave said that the plan is to run those matches at all of those shows, which he didn't. If the title of the thread was 'My thoughts on the Womens' Title Pictures for this Summer based on recent dirtsheet reports' - that would be totally fine. The thing with Dave is when he says something like this, it generally means a long term program. Like him saying Becky/Bianca is being saved for major shows? Guess what? MITB, Summerslam, and the UK show are all considered major. And like I mentioned earlier, I doubt its an accident that those two are the only women advertised on the RAW side. That is ignoring the report from Fightful Select that said when Asuka returned, her program/interacting with Becky was going to be a short one. And everyone here who is trying to critcize the point being made needs to realize this is WWE we are talking about. They never deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to booking. Look at how long they ran Brock/Roman into the ground. They are absolutely going to do the same with Charlotte/Ronda and Becky/Bianca. Because those four women are the only people WWE think should be main eventers. Its basic pattern recognition at this point. You're missing the point. Over and over again. People shouldn't post their own opinions as though a respected journalist reported them.
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Post by Muskrat on May 14, 2022 8:43:22 GMT -5
The thing with Dave is when he says something like this, it generally means a long term program. Like him saying Becky/Bianca is being saved for major shows? Guess what? MITB, Summerslam, and the UK show are all considered major. And like I mentioned earlier, I doubt its an accident that those two are the only women advertised on the RAW side. That is ignoring the report from Fightful Select that said when Asuka returned, her program/interacting with Becky was going to be a short one. And everyone here who is trying to critcize the point being made needs to realize this is WWE we are talking about. They never deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to booking. Look at how long they ran Brock/Roman into the ground. They are absolutely going to do the same with Charlotte/Ronda and Becky/Bianca. Because those four women are the only people WWE think should be main eventers. Its basic pattern recognition at this point. You're missing the point. Over and over again. People shouldn't post their own opinions as though a respected journalist reported them. As a long time WON subscriber, and a dude who used to spend a tonne of time fact checking/correcting “Meltzer said this…..” posts here til I got tired of it, yes it is a tremendous pain in the ass when either a poster or a clickbait site editorializes one of his quotes. Especially his radio show quotes, which are often him spitballing opinion or conjecture not presenting his thoughts as fact.
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Post by cornettesracket on May 14, 2022 10:04:43 GMT -5
Might want to look at a map their squire. I was about to say. Actually, let me go outside and say that to someone here in Dublin, let’s see what happens. See you in a bit.I’ll check the nine of clock news.
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Post by Cyno on May 14, 2022 10:50:50 GMT -5
At least when Jason Powell editorializes the hell out of WON reports, he separates it with his "Powell's POV" deal. Mixing in your own opinions as if it was directly said by Dave or Bryan on WON or WOR comes off as really dishonest.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 14, 2022 11:10:15 GMT -5
Whether it happens or is likely to happen or not isn't the issue. The question is whether Dave said that the plan is to run those matches at all of those shows, which he didn't. If the title of the thread was 'My thoughts on the Womens' Title Pictures for this Summer based on recent dirtsheet reports' - that would be totally fine. And everyone here who is trying to critcize the point being made needs to realize this is WWE we are talking about. They never deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to booking. But you also straight up editorialized the report, so that’s unfair.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 12:04:44 GMT -5
Same four people fighting forever.
This is why NXT 2.0 is the only show I’m watching at the moment.
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Post by asuka007 on May 14, 2022 12:25:07 GMT -5
That’s the thing.
IDK how true this report is or not?
But WWE’s recent track record does not inspire confidence in an of itself.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 14, 2022 12:27:19 GMT -5
Bianca vs. Becky at Money in the Bank makes some sense, since it's where the feud originally started. The UK show makes sense because Becky is from Ireland, so the Brits will have a strong opinion of her one way or the other.
At least find someone or something different for Summerslam.
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Post by mistery on May 14, 2022 12:30:10 GMT -5
Bianca vs. Becky at Money in the Bank makes some sense, since it's where the feud originally started. The UK show makes sense because Becky is from Ireland, so the Brits will have a strong opinion of her one way or the other. At least find someone or something different for Summerslam. Bianca/Becky started at Summerslam last year, I thought. But regardless, WWE's internal logic is likely that MITB is a stadium show, so they are going to put all of their biggest matches on that card as well, to move tickets. Same goes for Summerslam and also the UK show. They have tickets to move for all of those shows. That's the problem with stadium shows. WWE is only going to focus on repeat matches they think will draw, even though it'll have diminishing returns.
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Post by asuka007 on May 14, 2022 12:35:41 GMT -5
Also I’m not really interested in seeing some other woman just lose to Bianca, so they can just go back to doing more Bianca vs. Becky stuff.
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